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Post by PapaCharlie9 on Jan 8, 2019 4:15:38 GMT
About story: I think the story and characters will actually be brought pretty good, but probably not in the way that bio "fans" (and I used the quote marks because of zealot-like loud mouth close-minded fans are not really fans) are used to from bioware, so they'll probably hate it just for the sake of it and not give it it's own proper chance. Yeah, my concern is that it will be too much story for the hardcore grinder crowd, and not enough for the hardcore Bioware story-centric crowd. Who's left after disappointing those two crowds? Filthy casuals?
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Post by PillarBiter on Jan 8, 2019 7:13:06 GMT
About story: I think the story and characters will actually be brought pretty good, but probably not in the way that bio "fans" (and I used the quote marks because of zealot-like loud mouth close-minded fans are not really fans) are used to from bioware, so they'll probably hate it just for the sake of it and not give it it's own proper chance. Yeah, my concern is that it will be too much story for the hardcore grinder crowd, and not enough for the hardcore Bioware story-centric crowd. This is a very likely scenario, I concur.
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Post by lennybusker on Jan 8, 2019 7:31:12 GMT
Yeah, my concern is that it will be too much story for the hardcore grinder crowd, man you crack me up sometimes PC. People into looter shooters know that there is always 10-20 hours of story missions to get through as you hit level cap and then finally reach endgame. Anthem's story won't be anything that we haven't seen in any other game before, my dude.
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Post by Pounce de León on Jan 8, 2019 8:36:24 GMT
About story: I think the story and characters will actually be brought pretty good, but probably not in the way that bio "fans" (and I used the quote marks because of zealot-like loud mouth close-minded fans are not really fans) are used to from bioware, so they'll probably hate it just for the sake of it and not give it it's own proper chance. Yeah, my concern is that it will be too much story for the hardcore grinder crowd, and not enough for the hardcore Bioware story-centric crowd. Who's left after disappointing those two crowds? Filthy casuals? They'll manage having to stomach a bit of story.
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Post by monkeylungs on Jan 8, 2019 18:23:05 GMT
Well, Pillar, I think you don't have the cache to say who is a real fan and who isn't. You are every bit the zealot as well. I do think Qui-Gon GlenN7 makes a fair point, we have people on this forum who haven't liked a BioWare game for years but still continue to discuss them, in some cases racking up many thousands of posts. Their level of investment is no less (and probably much more) than an eager new fan that has wandered over from Warframe. I find determining who is a 'real fan' is a largely fruitless exercise, so I've ended up with the view that a 'fan' is anyone that says they are one. Post count might not really tell full story either. I posted under this same username extensively during NWN days and beyond. Hell I have a module in the NWN vault Hall of Fame. It's pretty shit but I had a lot of fun making it. It would be pretty hard to say I am not a true Bioware fan.
Some people say true fans don't like multiplayer but Baldur's Gate has multiplayer. Lots of fans really like it. I never liked playing that game in multi but I don't begrudge those that did. I loved ME3 multi but I played a lot more single player. I barely scratched the surface of ME:A multiplayer because I was far more interested in the single player. I think someone could only like ME3 and ME:A multi and be a true fan. Their opinions would be way out of alignment with mine (and the majority) but I don't think that is a problem. My favorite game of all time is probably Dragon Age: Inquisition ... people look at me or post at me like I'm off my rocker for feeling that way. It doesn't make my opinion any less valid, it is just an opinion.
Some people say 'true fan' can't enjoy Andromeda. I rank it right up there with ME1.
I think if someone is passionate enough to sign up for a message board and discuss the game (except the outliers that just come to troll) they are probably a true fan. There are also legions of true fans that don't even sign up for message boards. We all have our own opinions. People think a lot of mine are crap, kind of how the world works.
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Post by Qui-Gon GlenN7 on Jan 8, 2019 19:11:31 GMT
I do think Qui-Gon GlenN7 makes a fair point, we have people on this forum who haven't liked a BioWare game for years but still continue to discuss them, in some cases racking up many thousands of posts. Their level of investment is no less (and probably much more) than an eager new fan that has wandered over from Warframe. I find determining who is a 'real fan' is a largely fruitless exercise, so I've ended up with the view that a 'fan' is anyone that says they are one. Post count might not really tell full story either. I posted under this same username extensively during NWN days and beyond. Hell I have a module in the NWN vault Hall of Fame. It's pretty shit but I had a lot of fun making it. It would be pretty hard to say I am not a true Bioware fan.
Some people say true fans don't like multiplayer but Baldur's Gate has multiplayer. Lots of fans really like it. I never liked playing that game in multi but I don't begrudge those that did. I loved ME3 multi but I played a lot more single player. I barely scratched the surface of ME:A multiplayer because I was far more interested in the single player. I think someone could only like ME3 and ME:A multi and be a true fan. Their opinions would be way out of alignment with mine (and the majority) but I don't think that is a problem. My favorite game of all time is probably Dragon Age: Inquisition ... people look at me or post at me like I'm off my rocker for feeling that way. It doesn't make my opinion any less valid, it is just an opinion.
Some people say 'true fan' can't enjoy Andromeda. I rank it right up there with ME1.
I think if someone is passionate enough to sign up for a message board and discuss the game (except the outliers that just come to troll) they are probably a true fan. There are also legions of true fans that don't even sign up for message boards. We all have our own opinions. People think a lot of mine are crap, kind of how the world works.
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Post by monkeylungs on Jan 8, 2019 19:19:10 GMT
I was really sad when old BSN shut down. It took me a long time to join up here.
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Post by Heimdall on Jan 8, 2019 20:22:13 GMT
I would avoid the “true fan” idea altogether.
Ultimately, there are new fans and old fans, but BioWare doesn’t owe any of us anything except to be truthful about what they’re trying to sell to us. If that doesn’t appeal to some fans, and no game they’ve ever released has appealed to everyone, so be it. They won’t get sales from those fans.
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Post by NotN7 on Jan 8, 2019 20:32:36 GMT
I would avoid the “true fan” idea altogether. Ultimately, there are new fans and old fans, but BioWare doesn’t owe any of us anything except to be truthful about what they’re trying to sell to us. If that doesn’t appeal to some fans, and no game they’ve ever released has appealed to everyone, so be it. They won’t get sales from those fans. Agree, if you don't like it you won't buy it, simple, so why complain about it here ( the boards ) Or?? are you going to be one of those that Bitch about the game BUT! buy it and play under a different user name ?????,Avatar?
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Post by lennybusker on Jan 8, 2019 21:06:28 GMT
Anyone major skeptics watching the new gameplay videos released? They are not allaying my fears about enemies being bullet spongey.
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Post by biggydx on Jan 8, 2019 22:06:08 GMT
Anyone major skeptics watching the new gameplay videos released? They are not allaying my fears about enemies being bullet spongey. I am interested in seeing how they handle enemy health/damage in the grandmaster difficulties, and how our skills/abilities scale with them; especially for Stronghold bosses. I would hope that, if you run a good loadout, you'll be able to rip through anything in your way. Might be why they chose to do a difficulty-based system, rather than everything being set in stone (like Destiny for example) It feels tricky to work with those types of elements in these newer MMO-lite games. I don't think many console players are used to the idea of having to whittle an enemies health down for extended periods (like PC MMO's are accustomed to). Considering that there a inscriptions (perks) and various effects for our gear, if they made the enemies too easy to kill, would that negate the ability for people to appreciate some of those gameplay effects? I mean, how can you appreciate a DoT loadout you've been working on if every enemy dies the moment you cast it?
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Post by PapaCharlie9 on Jan 8, 2019 23:30:53 GMT
Yeah, my concern is that it will be too much story for the hardcore grinder crowd, People into looter shooters know that there is always 10-20 hours of story missions to get through as you hit level cap and then finally reach endgame. Anthem's story won't be anything that we haven't seen in any other game before, my dude. You’re making my point for me. Yeah <20 is no sweat, but what if it’s mandatory 30? Or 40? Twice what grinders are used to? And that still won’t be enough for the hardcore SP story players, who basically want hour/$1 of the purchase price.
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Post by PapaCharlie9 on Jan 8, 2019 23:31:55 GMT
Yeah, my concern is that it will be too much story for the hardcore grinder crowd, and not enough for the hardcore Bioware story-centric crowd. Who's left after disappointing those two crowds? Filthy casuals? They'll manage having to stomach a bit of story. Since these guys are the ones paying the freight for the life of the game, we’ll see about that.
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Post by lennybusker on Jan 9, 2019 0:32:19 GMT
People into looter shooters know that there is always 10-20 hours of story missions to get through as you hit level cap and then finally reach endgame. Anthem's story won't be anything that we haven't seen in any other game before, my dude. You’re making my point for me. Yeah <20 is no sweat, but what if it’s mandatory 30? Or 40? Twice what grinders are used to? And that still won’t be enough for the hardcore SP story players, who basically want hour/$1 of the purchase price. For one, there's not... heh heh, ahhhhh. There's not 40 hours of story in Anthem. I'd be shocked if the main story path has 20. Two, I definitely agree that there will a contingent of players that will feel left wanting for typical Bioware story engagement. But I fail to see any scenario, barring people accidentally buying Anthem when they wanted Fortnite or whatever, where people who are invested in the idea of co-op PvE loot grind being put off because the missions they're playing and otherwise enjoying keep having cutscenes in between them for 20 hours. I mean, do you know of any examples where the "hardcore" audience was put off by too many story missions before you get to an otherwise hardcore-oriented grindgame?
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Post by PapaCharlie9 on Jan 9, 2019 1:27:26 GMT
For one, there's not... heh heh, ahhhhh. There's not 40 hours of story in Anthem. I'd be shocked if the main story path has 20. I’d be shocked if 15 was mandatory, but remember that Jon Warner said it was comparable in length to previous Bioware SP games. DAI is 46 hours on howlongtobeat. But you’re right, it can’t be a mandatory 40 hours. It might be 40+ with all optional content counted, but they’d be crazy to foist 40 hours on grinders.
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Post by Son of Dorn on Jan 9, 2019 1:44:59 GMT
For one, there's not... heh heh, ahhhhh. There's not 40 hours of story in Anthem. I'd be shocked if the main story path has 20. I’d be shocked if 15 was mandatory, but remember that Jon Warner said it was comparable in length to previous Bioware SP games. DAI is 46 hours on howlongtobeat. But you’re right, it can’t be a mandatory 40 hours. It might be 40+ with all optional content counted, but they’d be crazy to foist 40 hours on grinders. Talking about speed run or doing everything in DAI?
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Post by PapaCharlie9 on Jan 9, 2019 3:28:23 GMT
I’d be shocked if 15 was mandatory, but remember that Jon Warner said it was comparable in length to previous Bioware SP games. DAI is 46 hours on howlongtobeat. But you’re right, it can’t be a mandatory 40 hours. It might be 40+ with all optional content counted, but they’d be crazy to foist 40 hours on grinders. Talking about speed run or doing everything in DAI? If by speed run you mean main quest only, that. An actual speed run takes less than 3 hours, if I recall the world record correctly. According to the site, the main + side quests average is 87.5.
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Post by Son of Dorn on Jan 9, 2019 3:30:05 GMT
Talking about speed run or doing everything in DAI? If by speed run you mean main quest only, that. According to the site, the main + side quests average is 87.5. Main quest only + easy differently.
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Post by monkeylungs on Jan 9, 2019 6:47:34 GMT
My fastest DA:I play through was 67 hours and some minutes ... and I skipped a LOT of stuff. It didn't even really feel fun to me playing like that, also it was on nightmare difficulty and that is my least favorite difficulty. I generally play normal early game, then once my gear is op I turn it up to hardcore and find my sweet spot.
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Post by PillarBiter on Jan 9, 2019 7:13:01 GMT
About story: I think the story and characters will actually be brought pretty good, but probably not in the way that bio "fans" (and I used the quote marks because of zealot-like loud mouth close-minded fans are not really fans) are used to from bioware, so they'll probably hate it just for the sake of it and not give it it's own proper chance. Well, Pillar, I think you don't have the cache to say who is a real fan and who isn't. You are every bit the zealot as well. Well, Record, If post count penis size is the only counter argument you can fathom, I'll probably have hit a bit too close to home.
And in any case, if your impression of my post was zealotous, then you misunderstood. My post was meant to praise the way most of the people on this forum handle their point of view maturely, not the other way around (although I do concede cynicism trickles easily into most of my messages).
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Post by Qui-Gon GlenN7 on Jan 9, 2019 13:20:09 GMT
Well, Pillar, I think you don't have the cache to say who is a real fan and who isn't. You are every bit the zealot as well. Well, Record, If post count penis size is the only counter argument you can fathom, I'll probably have hit a bit too close to home. And in any case, if your impression of my post was zealotous, then you misunderstood. My post was meant to praise the way most of the people on this forum handle their point of view maturely, not the other way around (although I do concede cynicism trickles easily into most of my messages). What are you talking about regarding post count? My joke to the new guy? Took things personally did we? Show me on the doll
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Post by PillarBiter on Jan 9, 2019 15:13:27 GMT
Well, Record, If post count penis size is the only counter argument you can fathom, I'll probably have hit a bit too close to home. And in any case, if your impression of my post was zealotous, then you misunderstood. My post was meant to praise the way most of the people on this forum handle their point of view maturely, not the other way around (although I do concede cynicism trickles easily into most of my messages). What are you talking about regarding post count? My joke to the new guy? Took things personally did we? Show me on the doll *points to the heart region* You hit me right there, broken. *sniff* Right where it hurts the most...
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Post by monkeylungs on Jan 9, 2019 18:18:24 GMT
I am also skeptical that Anthem will be able to satisfy the more 'hardcore' or 'elite' mmo-lite looter shooter player types. More specifically the kind of players that are the ones that FORM the clans/guilds for others and help facilitate all the end-game stuff. People like the top guys in the Destiny clan I haven't gamed with for months. They are amazing gamers, great people, and very dedicated to the game/players and without them so many other folks in the clan (myself included) would probably never get the most out of the top end content (or in my case see it at all). Sure we could LFG for rando groups but it is not the same. These types of players need content that requires organization, dedication, and skill.
For myself, being able to matchmake into a 4 person group to do a stronghold sounds great. I never experienced most of Destiny's raids because of logistics. However, for the top tier players, I am afraid this won't satisfy. I'm not even sure I feel like that is a problem, but that is just MY opinion and my opinion is shit sometimes.
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Post by Kappa Neko on Jan 9, 2019 18:29:21 GMT
What is a true fan? Easy. Those who love something AND those who hate something with a passion. Since one often turns into the other as all things turn bad eventually. Food, your socks, your marriage, your job, all your plans... and any company. And both sides of the coin are a little crazy since "fanatic" isn't really the nicest term... As a business you make good money off the fanatics but you probably don't want to be friends with them.
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