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Post by ahglock on Jan 17, 2019 23:10:48 GMT
From where? My freakin YT recommendations are full of Anthem vids. Though I admit super smash bros ultimate is getting a lot more hype. YT recommends vids based on what you've previously watched, which is why I have zero Anthem videos recommended to me. It's a poor way to try and track what's trending. You've asked this question before I believe, and I answered before - based on my viewing of about 4 or 5 RPG forums and a couple of gaming forums, I'm not seeing much hype. If you want to compare the hype of Anthem with a game that's quite hyped but still years away from release, AnthemTheGame subreddit has 50,000 subscribers and it's released next month. Cyberpunk 2077 subreddit has 120,000 subscribers with no release in sight. While I understand your point and suspect you are right your example is a bit skewed. BioWare never has and probably never will sell in cdproject #s. Division 2 isn’t far off is a very similar type of game and checking it’s reddit numbers 120k. That’s a closer comparable but also a significantly larger community.
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Post by Andrew Lucas on Jan 18, 2019 1:22:14 GMT
Anthem videos are trending quite often on Youtube as well, we shouldn't take forums as granted because they hardly represent the coverage out there. BSN for example is quite dead, doesn't mean there are no people excited for Bioware games like Dragon Age, Mass Effect and Anthem. This game will do well enough, it has every AAA aspect hitting mark, something MEA, for example, didn't.
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Post by akots on Jan 18, 2019 4:05:14 GMT
This game will do well enough, it has every AAA aspect hitting mark IDK how it does as of right now as there are no numbers available. However, Battlefield 5 looked better before release and had better marketing. Despite all that it did not do very well while having more views, likes, etc. I guess, it depends on what "mark" is being hit here.
Speaking of which, Fallout 76 also hit all marks of everything. I guess, another is in order.
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Post by Andrew Lucas on Jan 18, 2019 5:24:14 GMT
This game will do well enough, it has every AAA aspect hitting mark IDK how it does as of right now as there are no numbers available. However, Battlefield 5 looked better before release and had better marketing. Despite all that it did not do very well while having more views, likes, etc. I guess, it depends on what "mark" is being hit here.
Speaking of which, Fallout 76 also hit all marks of everything. I guess, another is in order. There's no way BFV had a better marketing, no way. The game was shitshow from the get-go in that department, DICE fucked up in many ways, and despite the game having the best gameplay in the series, they completely missed the mark. And EA didn't help either putting the game between BO4 and RDR2 of all things. Calling the pre-release of BFV "good" is being oblivious. Anthem's reception, so far, has been well, there's a huge crowd for that type of game eager to have another option than Destiny, and it shows. Fallout 76? I don't think you followed the pre-release of the game as well, like BFV, there were only controversies after controversies, starting with the no-npcs thingy and lore breaking issues, not mentioning the whole only online Fallout aspect. Just because you don't like what the game is, doesn't mean other people don't, BioWare will be earning a new crowd of fans, which there are a lot of this genre out there, meanwhile the others can replay Mass Effect for the 100x time and wait for DA4, like we all do everytime.
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Post by PapaCharlie9 on Jan 18, 2019 5:42:30 GMT
From where? My freakin YT recommendations are full of Anthem vids. Though I admit super smash bros ultimate is getting a lot more hype. YT recommends vids based on what you've previously watched, which is why I have zero Anthem videos recommended to me. It's a poor way to try and track what's trending. You've asked this question before I believe, and I answered before - based on my viewing of about 4 or 5 RPG forums and a couple of gaming forums, I'm not seeing much hype. If you want to compare the hype of Anthem with a game that's quite hyped but still years away from release, AnthemTheGame subreddit has 50,000 subscribers and it's released next month. Cyberpunk 2077 subreddit has 120,000 subscribers with no release in sight. You're right, I did ask that before. And I agree YT recommends is not a good metric -- but I've only watched maybe half a dozen Anthem vids. Stupid YT algorithm is crowding out all the RDR2 vids I actually want to see. I have been looking around outside of the Anthem bubble (hype or hate) to see how much awareness there is, and it is pretty low. But it is also still pretty early. If there's not a big uptick in marketing visibility the week before the public demo drops, like at least front page banners on the Playstation, Xbox and Origin storefronts, I'm going to start thinking EA is shortchanging on the traditional marketing budget. IIRC, Destiny 1 had TV ads right before release.
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Post by monkeylungs on Jan 18, 2019 16:58:18 GMT
YT recommends vids based on what you've previously watched, which is why I have zero Anthem videos recommended to me. It's a poor way to try and track what's trending. You've asked this question before I believe, and I answered before - based on my viewing of about 4 or 5 RPG forums and a couple of gaming forums, I'm not seeing much hype. If you want to compare the hype of Anthem with a game that's quite hyped but still years away from release, AnthemTheGame subreddit has 50,000 subscribers and it's released next month. Cyberpunk 2077 subreddit has 120,000 subscribers with no release in sight. While I understand your point and suspect you are right your example is a bit skewed. BioWare never has and probably never will sell in cdproject #s. Division 2 isn’t far off is a very similar type of game and checking it’s reddit numbers 120k. That’s a closer comparable but also a significantly larger community. Division has an established community. Ubisoft also built up some goodwill with that game. It had a rough launch but over time, Ubi stuck with it instead of abandoning it, and patched it up to a place where many players were very happy with it. I think that earned them some momentum going into Division 2.
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Post by smilesja on Jan 18, 2019 17:48:02 GMT
YT recommends vids based on what you've previously watched, which is why I have zero Anthem videos recommended to me. It's a poor way to try and track what's trending. You've asked this question before I believe, and I answered before - based on my viewing of about 4 or 5 RPG forums and a couple of gaming forums, I'm not seeing much hype. If you want to compare the hype of Anthem with a game that's quite hyped but still years away from release, AnthemTheGame subreddit has 50,000 subscribers and it's released next month. Cyberpunk 2077 subreddit has 120,000 subscribers with no release in sight. You're right, I did ask that before. And I agree YT recommends is not a good metric -- but I've only watched maybe half a dozen Anthem vids. Stupid YT algorithm is crowding out all the RDR2 vids I actually want to see. I have been looking around outside of the Anthem bubble (hype or hate) to see how much awareness there is, and it is pretty low. But it is also still pretty early. If there's not a big uptick in marketing visibility the week before the public demo drops, like at least front page banners on the Playstation, Xbox and Origin storefronts, I'm going to start thinking EA is shortchanging on the traditional marketing budget. IIRC, Destiny 1 had TV ads right before release. It’s possible that EA wants avoid the controversy that ME3 and MEA had in terms of marketing and decided to play it safe by having the Devs be more forthcoming via play on streams and communication on twitter.
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Post by monkeylungs on Jan 18, 2019 17:52:12 GMT
I would also wager that the bulk of the push for hype is yet to come. After the demos and closer to release. They might not want to blow their load too soon.
If things go well for the demo then they have tons of youtube vids and game media outlets to cite to showcase the positive reception of the demo.
The simple fact that they are releasing a demo and not a 'beta' locked behind a paywall is pretty significant.
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Post by Pounce de León on Jan 18, 2019 17:53:04 GMT
YT recommends vids based on what you've previously watched, which is why I have zero Anthem videos recommended to me. It's a poor way to try and track what's trending. You've asked this question before I believe, and I answered before - based on my viewing of about 4 or 5 RPG forums and a couple of gaming forums, I'm not seeing much hype. If you want to compare the hype of Anthem with a game that's quite hyped but still years away from release, AnthemTheGame subreddit has 50,000 subscribers and it's released next month. Cyberpunk 2077 subreddit has 120,000 subscribers with no release in sight. You're right, I did ask that before. And I agree YT recommends is not a good metric -- but I've only watched maybe half a dozen Anthem vids. Stupid YT algorithm is crowding out all the RDR2 vids I actually want to see. I have been looking around outside of the Anthem bubble (hype or hate) to see how much awareness there is, and it is pretty low. But it is also still pretty early. If there's not a big uptick in marketing visibility the week before the public demo drops, like at least front page banners on the Playstation, Xbox and Origin storefronts, I'm going to start thinking EA is shortchanging on the traditional marketing budget. IIRC, Destiny 1 had TV ads right before release. It's not early at all. Release starts like in a week with 'VIP' access. Imo, the audience is pretty fractured. And I don't think that is qn advantage for the game.
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Post by Pounce de León on Jan 18, 2019 17:54:12 GMT
I would also wager that the bulk of the push for hype is yet to come. After the demos and closer to release. They might not want to blow their load too soon. If things go well for the demo then they have tons of youtube vids and game media outlets to cite to showcase the positive reception of the demo. The simple fact that they are releasing a demo and not a 'beta' locked behind a paywall is pretty significant. You have to subscribe to a paid service and that is not a paywall?
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Post by monkeylungs on Jan 18, 2019 17:55:00 GMT
I think after the demo has been out is a more tactical move for the big push for hype.
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Post by monkeylungs on Jan 18, 2019 17:55:49 GMT
I would also wager that the bulk of the push for hype is yet to come. After the demos and closer to release. They might not want to blow their load too soon. If things go well for the demo then they have tons of youtube vids and game media outlets to cite to showcase the positive reception of the demo. The simple fact that they are releasing a demo and not a 'beta' locked behind a paywall is pretty significant. You have to subscribe to a paid service and that is not a paywall? Which paid service? There IS a completely open demo, it is just later.
EDIT: I think the real push for hype comes after the fully public demo.
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Post by Pounce de León on Jan 18, 2019 18:00:02 GMT
You have to subscribe to a paid service and that is not a paywall? Which paid service? There IS a completely open demo, it is just later.
EDIT: I think the real push for hype comes after the fully public demo.
Ah, looks like there is indeed some open demo. It was added after the initial plan I guess.
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Post by monkeylungs on Jan 18, 2019 18:04:34 GMT
I think after that one comes out or right around that time is when they start to unload whatever marketing cash they have left.
There is a strategic side to it I believe. The vip and origin access demo stuff will largely attract a crowd more hyped for the game. This crowd will be likely to produce more positive soundbites and quotes. That stuff can then be used as material for the final marketing push.
So it is awesome there are demos, but it is not complete altruism. There is a real monetary gain to potentially be made.
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Post by Kappa Neko on Jan 18, 2019 18:13:16 GMT
I would also wager that the bulk of the push for hype is yet to come. After the demos and closer to release. They might not want to blow their load too soon. If things go well for the demo then they have tons of youtube vids and game media outlets to cite to showcase the positive reception of the demo. The simple fact that they are releasing a demo and not a 'beta' locked behind a paywall is pretty significant. Yes, the upcoming free demo means Bioware is confident in their product. That's good news. When Bethesda announced that the FO76 beta was locked behind preordering I knew the game was going to suck. That was shady as hell. People were already calling it when Bethesda refused to sell the game on Steam. Sometimes it's empty conspiracy theories but in this case the writing was indeed on the wall... I will download the demo myself. That's a very consumer friendly move. With my slow connection it will take 24h to download probably. So I won't have much time to play. But should be enough to confirm my impressions. Or to surprise me. You never know. None of my ME3MP buddies is interested in Anthem. They won't even try the demo. But that's OK. We're on the same page with our impressions. So I'll be the guinea pig that tells them if the gameplay is indeed as boring as it looks to us right now. My prediction is that it's more fun than it looks but ultimately not my jam.
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Post by PapaCharlie9 on Jan 18, 2019 18:17:33 GMT
You're right, I did ask that before. And I agree YT recommends is not a good metric -- but I've only watched maybe half a dozen Anthem vids. Stupid YT algorithm is crowding out all the RDR2 vids I actually want to see. I have been looking around outside of the Anthem bubble (hype or hate) to see how much awareness there is, and it is pretty low. But it is also still pretty early. If there's not a big uptick in marketing visibility the week before the public demo drops, like at least front page banners on the Playstation, Xbox and Origin storefronts, I'm going to start thinking EA is shortchanging on the traditional marketing budget. IIRC, Destiny 1 had TV ads right before release. It's not early at all. Release starts like in a week with 'VIP' access. Imo, the audience is pretty fractured. And I don't think that is qn advantage for the game. We're redefining the meaning of Release now? I do agree that more advertising to get people into the public demo (not the VIP, that requires money up front) would be a good thing, but we're talking about the lack of hype here, and hype about a demo is pointless. It has to be about the full release, or the consequence of the lack of hype, which suggested here is the failure of Anthem as a product, may come true.
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Post by Pounce de León on Jan 18, 2019 18:37:02 GMT
It's not early at all. Release starts like in a week with 'VIP' access. Imo, the audience is pretty fractured. And I don't think that is qn advantage for the game. We're redefining the meaning of Release now? I do agree that more advertising to get people into the public demo (not the VIP, that requires money up front) would be a good thing, but we're talking about the lack of hype here, and hype about a demo is pointless. It has to be about the full release, or the consequence of the lack of hype, which suggested here is the failure of Anthem as a product, may come true. Released to the public = released. I don't care much what fancy labels marketing comes up with for their staggered releases. You pay, you get game, game is released.
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Post by PapaCharlie9 on Jan 18, 2019 22:12:39 GMT
We're redefining the meaning of Release now? I do agree that more advertising to get people into the public demo (not the VIP, that requires money up front) would be a good thing, but we're talking about the lack of hype here, and hype about a demo is pointless. It has to be about the full release, or the consequence of the lack of hype, which suggested here is the failure of Anthem as a product, may come true. Released to the public = released. I don't care much what fancy labels marketing comes up with for their staggered releases. You pay, you get game, game is released. So by that definition the public demo is not a release, because you didn’t pay for it. And, the public demo ain’t even the full game and what parts it shares with the full game will be older.
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Post by LRX/SRT17 on Jan 19, 2019 9:46:20 GMT
In my opinion, So far, I see nothing special about Anthem. It's andromeda with iron-man suits.
Looks like warframe but warframe is at a much better state. I genuinely thought that me3 simple horde mode, and its, combat system was what distinguished its Multiplayer from the rest. I don't recall anything coming close to that. They already have a successful tried out formula, why not just build upon it is beyond my understanding..
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Post by majesticjazz on Jan 19, 2019 12:08:38 GMT
In my opinion, So far, I see nothing special about Anthem. It's andromeda with iron-man suits. Looks like warframe but warframe is at a much better state. I genuinely thought that me3 simple horde mode, and its, combat system was what distinguished its Multiplayer from the rest. I don't recall anything coming close to that. They already have a successful tried out formula, why not just build upon it is beyond my understanding.. Because it is EA and they want a game where they can monetize it post launch as much as possible. EA and Bioware is saying all the right things now in terms of no season pass and only cosmetic MTXs, but its EA...when was the last time they didnt screw over or try to screw over gamers? Look at the recent news of the cancelled Star Wars game. 6 years and what have they shown with the Star Wars license? This is why on the grand scale of things many people including myself hopes that Anthem fails which I believe it will ultimately do. Out of the gate it will come out strong with record launch day sales, favorable review scores and an excited player base. But this game true success will comes months and months down the road and EA will have to maintain that playerbase excitement and maintain people continuously playing it because their ultimate goal with GaaS is monetization post launch, that is where EA will truely judge the success of Anthem and in that regards, I hope it fails.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 19, 2019 14:33:47 GMT
I think the game will be good. Don't know if it'll be good enough.
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Post by Pounce de León on Jan 19, 2019 16:11:09 GMT
Released to the public = released. I don't care much what fancy labels marketing comes up with for their staggered releases. You pay, you get game, game is released. So by that definition the public demo is not a release, because you didn’t pay for it. And, the public demo ain’t even the full game and what parts it shares with the full game will be older. Don't play dumb, how would it not be released if it already has been released? The matter of trying to apply social pressure to buy or making buyers feel second rate for buying late with staggered release windows is a completely different thing.
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Post by spacev3gan on Jan 20, 2019 23:53:57 GMT
Just an interesting fact, which I am pretty sure is nothing new to skeptics around here, but it is always funny to point out, even worth a meme I would say:
- "Anthem will be the start a 10-year journey for us", said Patrick Söderlund, then EA's Executive Vice President, in June 2017.
- Patrick Söderlund quits EA in August 2018.
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Post by Sartoz on Jan 21, 2019 6:24:26 GMT
About the Demo Bio confirmed that they focused on the visuals at the expense of frame rates. I mean, what did he mean by his suggestion that "his team may revisit the latter " ?
Visuals over frame rate for a demo? Was it a conscious decision or is Bio short on game bug squashing time?
I get the feeling that the gold version of the game will be set at 30fps... period.
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Post by monkeylungs on Jan 21, 2019 6:59:24 GMT
About the Demo Bio confirmed that they focused on the visuals at the expense of frame rates. I mean, what did he mean by his suggestion that "his team may revisit the latter " ?
Visuals over frame rate for a demo? Was it a conscious decision or is Bio short on game bug squashing time?
I get the feeling that the gold version of the game will be set at 30fps... period.
The demo probably took a couple months to get together. They probably had a team getting the demo finished while everyone else was working on the main game. It sounds like they wanted it to look as good as possible as that tends to be what sells.
Guessing for consoles you are absolutely correct about frame rate. I will be fine if it just holds at 30 fps.
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