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Post by monkeylungs on Jan 30, 2019 5:19:08 GMT
The only controversy in this thread is that the BioWare Faith Militant won't just let us have one thread to our damn selves. Not every criticism, fair or unfair, needs to be argued against. BW will be ok, they really will, if someone says something mean about Anthem! Disagree. It is good to be challenged. I personally feel like many of my overly positive stances have been successfully challenged by both you and river on these forums. I have disagreed with you plenty but I am thankful for the disagreements. I feel like it's been real civil. I appreciate having what I believe in or what I am enamored with challenged. It feels healthy. I should make it clear that I meant that it is good this thread is here and also good that people challenge the skeptics. Makes you refine your arguments and provide better skepticism. Good for all of us, especially prior overly positive fanboys like me.
I gave Bioware the benefit of the doubt and I learned from that.
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Post by thats1evildude on Jan 30, 2019 5:36:05 GMT
Angry Joe makes the argument that $20 skins are unacceptable, especially for a full-priced retail game.
Note: he acknowledges the prices may change and this may have been a “test the waters” leak. That’s why he’s very direct about why it’s unacceptable, because EA needs to hear the message.
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Post by PillarBiter on Jan 30, 2019 6:30:44 GMT
Angry Joe makes the argument that $20 skins are unacceptable, especially for a full-priced retail game. Note: he acknowledges the prices may change and this may have been a “test the waters” leak. That’s why he’s very direct about why it’s unacceptable. I would like to argue against the 'unacceptable' term.
Bioware can do what they want, but if you indeed are goign to ask 20$ for a skin, well, it's your own damn fault if it explodes in your face
EDIT and Update: I woud also like to inform everyone that this is actually a devious way to probe the market. I.e., they launch some sort of screenshot which they KNOW people will work out to be 20$ for a skin, and they put that screenshot on the net under the guise of 'work in progress'. The, if there's a shitstorm on the net, they know they've priced too high for the final game.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 30, 2019 6:43:47 GMT
The differences between the trailer and the demo are quite impressive lol :
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Post by PapaCharlie9 on Jan 30, 2019 7:30:52 GMT
that $20 skins are unacceptable, ... That’s why he’s very direct about why it’s unacceptable, because EA needs to hear the message. Here’s my problem with that. If that’s the real goal, why trigger on $20? Why not let EA know that $19.99 is also unacceptable? Or $20.01? Or $40? Or $2000? Or $12.34? What is an acceptable number and who has the right to determine what that is? All of which ignores the fact that $20 is a made up number. A number made up to exploit anti/EA sentiment and get clicks and views. Where’s the outcry over that? What is the difference between EA being greedy bastards and these tubers being greedy bastards? Let’s hold all greedy bastards accountable! Reporting on the leak of the shop page was legit and could have been reported as just that, a juicy leak. Let people draw their own conclusions. But no, all the emphasis has been on the made up $20 number and that’s all I see people reacting to, is that one number. The irony of all this is that this is the most solvable, and I dare say, self-correcting problem that Anthem has. The market will set the price. It doesn’t need a call to action or standing up to EA. The market doesn’t even need to be perfectly efficient for the right thing to happen without a single tuber telling us what to think. If they price something for $20 that isn’t perceived to be worth $20, guess what? The price will go down or the product will be taken off the market or the shop will go bankrupt.
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Post by jrpN7 on Jan 30, 2019 10:54:10 GMT
Yes, well. After watching a host of demo videos and reviews... I feel sorry for any newblet who spends any ounce of a penny on Anthem. Although, I personally spent $2.55 on some popcorn so I could eat it while I soak up the internet's fury upon Anthem's release.
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Post by ApocAlypsE on Jan 30, 2019 11:01:09 GMT
Sucks to be the idiot that preorders the game, especially if this is specifically for playing the VIP loading screen demo when you have the free demo a week later, probably with some fixes. That said, none of them clickbait youtubers actually address my concerns for the game. Is this fun to play when it works? Is the loot interesting? Is the story decent? Are the characters good? How deep is the game? Is this the typical EA of Frostbyte 3 shinies vs substance?
BTW, I'm fine with it being Diablo 3 in a space jungle, I don't have that much time to play heavy story based RPGs with doing PhD and all of that...
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Post by Hrulj on Jan 30, 2019 11:05:09 GMT
Like my first post said, I still hope the game fails and crashes hard. EA needs to fuck off with their predatory practices. Please note that 20$ price is for 2nd highest tier item. There's a tier above it!! Meaning a Legendary/Masterwork could go up to 40$ a piece considering EA pricing. Bioware also needs to fuck off and make proper RPG's rather than exploitative SJW fest they recently turned to doing. And if it takes the company failing to get back to that so be it.
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Post by Sartoz on Jan 30, 2019 13:55:45 GMT
Angry Joe makes the argument that $20 skins are unacceptable, especially for a full-priced retail game. Note: he acknowledges the prices may change and this may have been a “test the waters” leak. That’s why he’s very direct about why it’s unacceptable. I would like to argue against the 'unacceptable' term.
Bioware can do what they want, but if you indeed are goign to ask 20$ for a skin, well, it's your own damn fault if it explodes in your face
EDIT and Update: I woud also like to inform everyone that this is actually a devious way to probe the market. I.e., they launch some sort of screenshot which they KNOW people will work out to be 20$ for a skin, and they put that screenshot on the net under the guise of 'work in progress'. The, if there's a shitstorm on the net, they know they've priced too high for the final game.
Well really, is that a surprise?
IMO, the real game economy will: 1)have very basic skins for the Javs + gear.
2) Long grinds for little return in game currency that one can use to buy / upgrade your gear.
3) Lots of purty pics how the Javs can be customised for a price. 4) Lots of skin packs and special one time armour skins, skins of the day, week and month.... etc
Now, if a players loves high fashion, let them buy the packs... combat is not affected.
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Post by wickedcool on Jan 30, 2019 14:08:27 GMT
Is the 20 dollar figure true? What does competition such as fort nite charge for skins?
Watched a few famous you tubers. One angry guy was frustrated with demo glitches but u got the feeling gameplay was better than expected
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Post by 10k on Jan 30, 2019 14:30:11 GMT
Is the 20 dollar figure true? What does competition such as fort nite charge for skins?Watched a few famous you tubers. One angry guy was frustrated with demo glitches but u got the feeling gameplay was better than expected Fortnite is a free to play game. Anthem is charging people 60 bucks up front. Skins shouldn't be a 3rd of the game cost. What the hell is happening to gaming?
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Post by correctamundo on Jan 30, 2019 14:51:07 GMT
Is the 20 dollar figure true? What does competition such as fort nite charge for skins? Watched a few famous you tubers. One angry guy was frustrated with demo glitches but u got the feeling gameplay was better than expected The dollar figure is meaningless since you can pay with ingame currency earned by just playing the game.
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Post by hawkspian on Jan 30, 2019 14:57:20 GMT
Is the 20 dollar figure true? What does competition such as fort nite charge for skins?Watched a few famous you tubers. One angry guy was frustrated with demo glitches but u got the feeling gameplay was better than expected Fortnite is a free to play game. Anthem is charging people 60 bucks up front. Skins shouldn't be a 3rd of the game cost. What the hell is happening to gaming? It isn't? This would be like a screen shot leaking of the javelins all having chicken heads and everyone being pissed at that. They have come out and said it doesn't represent final price, why is everyone so mad about it. It's like people are sticking their fingers in their ears and screaming or something. Listen to what's being said. IT IS NOT FINAL PRICING.
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Post by Pounce de León on Jan 30, 2019 15:07:20 GMT
Is the 20 dollar figure true? What does competition such as fort nite charge for skins? Watched a few famous you tubers. One angry guy was frustrated with demo glitches but u got the feeling gameplay was better than expected The dollar figure is meaningless since you can pay with ingame currency earned by just playing the game. Depends on the average earning rate.
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Post by Hrulj on Jan 30, 2019 15:17:34 GMT
Is the 20 dollar figure true? What does competition such as fort nite charge for skins? Watched a few famous you tubers. One angry guy was frustrated with demo glitches but u got the feeling gameplay was better than expected The dollar figure is meaningless since you can pay with ingame currency earned by just playing the game. If we take DEMO coin earnings it will take you 100 battles/missions to afford that 20k item.
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Post by Sartoz on Jan 30, 2019 15:23:54 GMT
Is the 20 dollar figure true? What does competition such as fort nite charge for skins? Watched a few famous you tubers. One angry guy was frustrated with demo glitches but u got the feeling gameplay was better than expected The dollar figure is meaningless since you can pay with ingame currency earned by just playing the game.
Not so fast.
Arguably, a long grind to obtain the necessary coin makes that dollar figure quite meaningful, in a negative way.
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Post by 10k on Jan 30, 2019 15:25:37 GMT
It isn't? This would be like a screen shot leaking of the javelins all having chicken heads and everyone being pissed at that. They have come out and said it doesn't represent final price, why is everyone so mad about it. It's like people are sticking their fingers in their ears and screaming or something. Listen to what's being said. IT IS NOT FINAL PRICING. But it was 1 variation of the pricing model, as far as we know. The simple fact is because it was leaked they can back pedal on the price. The problem is they were thinking about using these prices. Why are you defending MTX in a fully priced game?
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Post by hawkspian on Jan 30, 2019 15:29:30 GMT
It isn't? This would be like a screen shot leaking of the javelins all having chicken heads and everyone being pissed at that. They have come out and said it doesn't represent final price, why is everyone so mad about it. It's like people are sticking their fingers in their ears and screaming or something. Listen to what's being said. IT IS NOT FINAL PRICING. But it was 1 variation of the pricing model, as far as we know. The simple fact is because it was leaked they can back pedal on the price. The problem is they were thinking about using these prices. Why are you defending MTX in a fully priced game? Because you don't know how much the shards cost in real money. For all you know 2k shards might be £5... Also micro transactions keep games fresh. I need things to spend my money on. The fact it's a paid game has nothing to do with it from my perspective. I'd rather have new stuff every week I can choose to buy if I want to then nothing at all. What would you have them do, keep releasing stuff for free? So by your definition once I've bought my car, every time s new gadget comes out for it I should get it for free because I bought the car? The game developers are working on the game constantly. It doesn't get released then the skin's magically appear. How would they get paid for their work? Are you angry cos you you're young and don't have a job yet? I don't understand the problem.
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Post by correctamundo on Jan 30, 2019 15:32:54 GMT
The dollar figure is meaningless since you can pay with ingame currency earned by just playing the game. Depends on the average earning rate. Sure, but if the player don't enjoy the gameplay why would they want to buy the skin? The dollar figure is meaningless since you can pay with ingame currency earned by just playing the game. If we take DEMO coin earnings it will take you 100 battles/missions to afford that 20k item. Demo =/= released game The dollar figure is meaningless since you can pay with ingame currency earned by just playing the game.
Not so fast.
Arguably, a long grind to obtain the necessary coin makes that dollar figure quite meaningful, in a negative way.
Trouble keeping up? I'm going as slow as I can.
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Post by Sartoz on Jan 30, 2019 15:42:35 GMT
Fortnite is a free to play game. Anthem is charging people 60 bucks up front. Skins shouldn't be a 3rd of the game cost. What the hell is happening to gaming? Snip Listen to what's being said. IT IS NOT FINAL PRICING.
Quite true.
But, if you are able to read between the lines and add EA voracious appetite for online monetization and Bio's dependence on Anthem's success for its continuing existence, I bet my druthers that game design leans towards mtxs.
There is a reason why the demo had a different game economy from the GOLD version. IMO, it's that game currency after game launch in Feb 22, to buy/upgrade stuff = long grind, regardless of final pricing. It is the long grind that will force the Avatar fashionistas to use mtxs.
My view is that vanity item prices will fluctuate after launch to gauge the optimum price point including prices for special sales events, end-of-line items, promotional skins.....etc... etc... ad infinitum.
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Post by hawkspian on Jan 30, 2019 15:50:01 GMT
Snip Listen to what's being said. IT IS NOT FINAL PRICING.
Quite true.
But, if you are able to read between the lines and add EA voracious appetite for online monetization and Bio's dependence on Anthem's success for its continuing existence, I bet my druthers that game design leans towards mtxs.
There is a reason why the demo had a different game economy from the GOLD version. IMO, it's that game currency after game launch in Feb 22, to buy/upgrade stuff = long grind, regardless of final pricing. It is the long grind that will force the Avatar fashionistas to use mtxs.
My view is that vanity item prices will fluctuate after launch to gauge the optimum price point including prices for special sales events, end-of-line items, promotional skins.....etc... etc... ad infinitum.
By reading between the lines and adding stuff you're just pulling shit out of thin air and making stuff up. No one knows yet. Everyone can presume. Everyone can have an idea on what's going to happen, doesn't change anything. No one knows yet.
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Post by Pounce de León on Jan 30, 2019 15:51:19 GMT
Depends on the average earning rate. Sure, but if the player don't enjoy the gameplay why would they want to buy the skin? If we take DEMO coin earnings it will take you 100 battles/missions to afford that 20k item. Demo =/= released game
Not so fast.
Arguably, a long grind to obtain the necessary coin makes that dollar figure quite meaningful, in a negative way.
Trouble keeping up? I'm going as slow as I can. Gameplay can still be fun when the earnings and rewards are not.
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Post by samhain444 on Jan 30, 2019 15:51:34 GMT
This thread needs more tinfoil...
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Post by wickedcool on Jan 30, 2019 16:11:38 GMT
Just looking for informational purposes. Fortnite skins can cost about the same (uncommon suit is about 2000 which translates to 20
How much money does fortnite generate on skins
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