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Post by lennybusker on Feb 2, 2019 22:20:15 GMT
Yeah I am fuckin flabberrgasted that you can't replay story missions. For anyone who doesn't play other games in the genre, you absolutely can replay any mission at any time in The Division, Destiny 1 (they fucked it up in D2 and only offer a few randomized story missions for replay at a time), Warframe, shit even Diablo 3.
They are going to get slammed hard for this in reviews, especially since there ain't SHIT ELSE to do once you're done with them!
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Post by Qui-Gon GlenN7 on Feb 2, 2019 22:25:51 GMT
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Post by officerdonnz on Feb 2, 2019 22:29:03 GMT
I'm beginning to think that by deciding not to buy Anthem I've really dodged a bullet.
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Post by OdanUrr on Feb 2, 2019 22:30:50 GMT
I'm beginning to think that by deciding not to buy Anthem I've really dodged a bullet.
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Post by Kappa Neko on Feb 2, 2019 22:34:40 GMT
Well, you asked. This is cool, because I can totally disagree with you in a completely skeptical way and stay on topic. I think the graphics look great. The PBR is a very noticeable improvement over previous Bioware titles. Overall, graphics are much better than I expected -- considering that this game features flying. That's the key proviso you are not taking into account. All that eyecandy and postprocessing stuff you were talking about, like volumetric fog and godrays with reflection, etc., etc., costs frame rate. If you're on the ground walking or even sprinting/galloping, as you are in Horizon Zero Dawn, God of War, Red Dead Redemption 2, you can afford the hit. The objects in the scene aren't changing position very much from frame to frame, relative to your view, so the engine doesn't have to work too hard to adjust and get the data it needs to do the job. But while flying? A pool of water that was out of frame suddenly is half in frame, so now you have to get all that data for the volumetric fog and godray reflections, then the next frame it's entirely in frame, then the next frame it's half out, then the next frame it's gone! At 60 fps, you've got 17 milliseconds to load in all the data needed for that pool and then you only use that date for 34 milliseconds more, then all that work to load up that data is no longer useful and you have to load up the next thing flying by. Without introducing a ton of pop-in and "Waiting for streaming" freeze-ups (Shadow of the Tomb Raider is notorious for those), it's very hard to get the data into the engine fast enough to look realistic, if your view is moving at flying speeds. Unless something is sacrificed -- it's usually level of detail for flight simulators and games like Battlefield that have vehicles you can fly -- the engine can't keep up. I suppose they could have applied a sort of LOD effect while you are flying, to things that cost too much to process, like reflections and fog, turning those on only after you land/slow down and kind of "fade them in/out" so you don't notice them pop in and out. Seems like a lot of work for what amounts to window dressing that you aren't going to pay attention to anyway while you are blowing shit up. I did consider that actually. It *is* indeed a valid point! They had to scale back the draw distance in No Man's Sky dramatically, for example, because frame rate on consoles was so bad. Especially when flying the game has to render so much. So maybe that's a similar situation. The game is badly optimized like many indie games, so even now the frame rate is kind of bad. Regardless, many people wish they allowed better draw distance on PC. But I get why they had to do that.
Maybe I wouldn't mind Anthem looking so washed out and bland as much if the rest was enjoyable. Maybe they should have scaled back texture quality since people will be flying by everything anyway. Could have helped a little?
Even if shadows, godrays and fog are too demanding (and I know what a massive hit they can be in a modded Bethesda game), the colors still look so de-saturated. Nor do I find Anthem's art style noteworthy. Ironically, I was initially interested in Destiny because of the art style. Such vibrant colors. When I learned what kind of game it was, I lost interest. The most vibrant scene in Anthem is the mission complete screen...
I do like Fort Tarsis's oriental flair. The javelins are.. alright I guess. Really nice looking is only the ranger to me. But unisex suits is incredibly lame and I daresay anatomically impossible or at the very least highly unpleasant except for the Colossus.
This game is obviously not for me. I really wanted to like Anthem though. Didn't expect it to be Andromeda 2.0. Slightly in shock over this, lol.
You guys who like the game, have fun! I hope Bioware is good on their word about all the planned content.
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Post by Garo on Feb 2, 2019 23:10:35 GMT
This is like watching a car crash is slow motion.
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Post by General Mahad on Feb 2, 2019 23:42:06 GMT
Yeah I am fuckin flabberrgasted that you can't replay story missions. For anyone who doesn't play other games in the genre, you absolutely can replay any mission at any time in The Division, Destiny 1 (they fucked it up in D2 and only offer a few randomized story missions for replay at a time), Warframe, shit even Diablo 3. They are going to get slammed hard for this in reviews, especially since there ain't SHIT ELSE to do once you're done with them! You’re joking, please tell me you’re joking.
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Post by dropzofcrimzon on Feb 2, 2019 23:51:16 GMT
not only it does not seem to have any but apparently it cannot be replayed and even if you could the devs are saying you would not want to... Sounds weird it would be cool to replay the story on different difficulties with the same character. It would be like newgame+.
Also the story missions are the only part of the game you can force to Private setting.
I shit you not...
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Post by dropzofcrimzon on Feb 2, 2019 23:56:51 GMT
Yeah I am fuckin flabberrgasted that you can't replay story missions. For anyone who doesn't play other games in the genre, you absolutely can replay any mission at any time in The Division, Destiny 1 (they fucked it up in D2 and only offer a few randomized story missions for replay at a time), Warframe, shit even Diablo 3. They are going to get slammed hard for this in reviews, especially since there ain't SHIT ELSE to do once you're done with them! You’re joking, please tell me you’re joking. nope, not joking I have been preaching on these forums for MONTHS about this shit and that people should raise hell WAY ahead of time about these "issues " that were apparently caused by the "evolution" of the Bioware games like lack of companions, lack of romances, lack of roleplay options, lack of repayable story, permeating presence of insane grind and aggressive monetization and I was called EVERY fucking name in the book by everyone (especially the mods) because, hey, after all they PROMISED US that this was going to FEEL like a proper bioware game Well There we go
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Post by lennybusker on Feb 3, 2019 0:24:09 GMT
Yeah I am fuckin flabberrgasted that you can't replay story missions. For anyone who doesn't play other games in the genre, you absolutely can replay any mission at any time in The Division, Destiny 1 (they fucked it up in D2 and only offer a few randomized story missions for replay at a time), Warframe, shit even Diablo 3. They are going to get slammed hard for this in reviews, especially since there ain't SHIT ELSE to do once you're done with them! You’re joking, please tell me you’re joking. The only way you can replay story missions is to play with a friend who has them active, or use the Quickplay option and get placed in a rando's story mission. You have no control over them. In the full game it will be the same, though BW has said you can make a whole new pilot to replay the story (but I'm assuming that would be like a whole new save and you wouldn't have your same gear and item stash). In the full game there might be a daily story mission to replay.
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Post by General Mahad on Feb 3, 2019 0:59:37 GMT
That’s stupid, that’s a legitimately stupid decision.
Why BioWare? Why?
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Post by dropzofcrimzon on Feb 3, 2019 1:08:49 GMT
That’s stupid, that’s a legitimately stupid decision. Why BioWare? Why? because then you would not grind as much obviously
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Post by General Mahad on Feb 3, 2019 2:12:52 GMT
EA is Crippling Anthem's Launch with Convoluted & Staggered Release Schedule
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Post by OdanUrr on Feb 3, 2019 2:42:24 GMT
EA is Crippling Anthem's Launch with Convoluted & Staggered Release Schedule Meh, it's not that difficult a chart to understand to be honest, and still nowhere near as ridiculous as Ubisoft's ever-growing release line-up for each new Assassin's Creed instalment. As an example, here's a chart for Odyssey: Think that's all? Think again! There's more... Medusa edition: Spartan edition: Pantheon edition: Kassandra edition: Make it stop!!! I need a f***ing Excel spreadsheet to figure out which edition comes with what and at what price.
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Post by Debaser on Feb 3, 2019 2:55:32 GMT
Soooooo many load screens. Optimization is blah too. I feel awful for my friends who were so hyped for this game. They've been depressed all day because of how meh this game is turning out to be. There is so much work BioWare needs to do for this to be a 'flagship' game, but right now it looks like Anthem will be a full-blown dumpster fire at release.
It's sad that Anthem might decide the fate of BioWare, but if this is the best they got maybe it is for the best there will be no more Dragon Age or Mass Effect which is something I thought I'd never say.
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Post by Pounce de León on Feb 3, 2019 3:02:50 GMT
Yeah I am fuckin flabberrgasted that you can't replay story missions. For anyone who doesn't play other games in the genre, you absolutely can replay any mission at any time in The Division, Destiny 1 (they fucked it up in D2 and only offer a few randomized story missions for replay at a time), Warframe, shit even Diablo 3. They are going to get slammed hard for this in reviews, especially since there ain't SHIT ELSE to do once you're done with them! I think Warframe's story missions weren't replayable at first but the overall consensus of players was that it was pretty desired to have. I found it worth it for just the music and atmosphere in a couple of missions.
Not sure if the Anthem demo is featuring what BW thinks is story mission. The Matthias story - compared to Warframe was kinda underdeveloped. I wondered several times what I was doing and how that would impact the problem at hand. Now Warframe doesn't have 100% awesome storylines and quests, but at least I always had an idea what to do and why - even if it was just space magic mujumbo.
And then there is the music - or kinda absence of it. Or is there? There is some ambience when returning to Tarsis, but I have no recollection of any music during the outside stays.
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Post by PapaCharlie9 on Feb 3, 2019 3:06:56 GMT
Yeah I am fuckin flabberrgasted that you can't replay story missions. Not without help, you mean. If some noob going through the mission for the first time invites you, you can replay it. Not that I think that makes everything cool -- it's super dumb that they block repeats of story missions on your own initiative. It's so bizarre, that I'm morbidly curious as to the rationale. I can't even begin to guess at why they would block replays.
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Post by PapaCharlie9 on Feb 3, 2019 3:13:06 GMT
Maybe I wouldn't mind Anthem looking so washed out and bland as much if the rest was enjoyable. Maybe they should have scaled back texture quality since people will be flying by everything anyway. Could have helped a little? Aha, but they can't scale back texture quality, because that would have a direct impact on cosmetics, which is where all the money is supposed to come from. That's another reason why I think the PBR looks so good, so that the cosmetics shine. And speaking of Fort Tarsis, there's no excuse there. It's practically a different game mode, so it ought to have maximum eyecandy and postprocessing features. You sure as hell pay for the setup/takedown with all those loading screens when transitioning from one to the other, so I'd find any kind of excuse of having to switch between shared world and FT being too hard on the engine to be pretty bogus.
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Post by biggydx on Feb 3, 2019 3:50:26 GMT
Not sure if the Anthem demo is featuring what BW thinks is story mission. The Matthias story - compared to Warframe was kinda underdeveloped. Might be wrong, but my assumption was that Matthias's mission was a faction mission; not necessarily a main story mission. Since he's part of the Arcanist faction, I would think that would make sense. Yeah I am fuckin flabberrgasted that you can't replay story missions. Not without help, you mean. If some noob going through the mission for the first time invites you, you can replay it. Not that I think that makes everything cool -- it's super dumb that they block repeats of story missions on your own initiative. It's so bizarre, that I'm morbidly curious as to the rationale. I can't even begin to guess at why they would block replays. Some people may not care about campaign replays that much, but there's a sizable portion of the community that does. For example, many fans of the Saints Row series often argued to Volition to let them replay story missions (as far back as Saints Row 2 I believe). They [Volition] never did it though. I kinda think it all depends on what type of game you're playing. Linear story campaigns get away with it, as it's presumed they're either short enough to just do another playthrough,or offer a new game + mode that allows you to redo the story over. Anthem should offer mission replays though, since they are touting that they're trying to make the story more of a focus compared to other looter-shooters.
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Post by Arcian on Feb 3, 2019 4:34:01 GMT
Yeah I am fuckin flabberrgasted that you can't replay story missions. Not without help, you mean. If some noob going through the mission for the first time invites you, you can replay it. Not that I think that makes everything cool -- it's super dumb that they block repeats of story missions on your own initiative. It's so bizarre, that I'm morbidly curious as to the rationale. I can't even begin to guess at why they would block replays. I'm assuming it's to stop players from repeatedly playing a story mission over and over again because it has a lot of high-value targets in a short amount of time that may drop gear. That's how Diablo used to work up until D3 Reaper of Souls introduced randomized Rift dungeons and bounties. I still have PTSD from running Baal over and over for hours each day in D2 LOD.
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Post by isaidlunch on Feb 3, 2019 4:39:04 GMT
I don't think they'll be bragging about twitch viewer counts after this weekend, lol.
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Post by crackdownjr on Feb 3, 2019 4:42:46 GMT
Not without help, you mean. If some noob going through the mission for the first time invites you, you can replay it. Not that I think that makes everything cool -- it's super dumb that they block repeats of story missions on your own initiative. It's so bizarre, that I'm morbidly curious as to the rationale. I can't even begin to guess at why they would block replays. I'm assuming it's to stop players from repeatedly playing a story mission over and over again because it has a lot of high-value targets in a short amount of time that may drop gear. That's how Diablo used to work up until D3 Reaper of Souls introduced randomized Rift dungeons and bounties. I still have PTSD from running Baal over and over for hours each day in D2 LOD. easy fix would be to nerf the loot for replays
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Post by monkeylungs on Feb 3, 2019 4:46:01 GMT
Aren't we supposed to be getting loot?
Or are we only supposed to get so much loot per week?
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Post by crackdownjr on Feb 3, 2019 4:53:03 GMT
Aren't we supposed to be getting loot? Or are we only supposed to get so much loot per week? I haven't heard anything about a weekly loot cap, that would be dumb
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Post by monkeylungs on Feb 3, 2019 4:57:42 GMT
Aren't we supposed to be getting loot? Or are we only supposed to get so much loot per week? I haven't heard anything about a weekly loot cap, that would be dumb Was kind of joking. People mentioned possible reason to not allow mission replays was to limit loot. I don't why that would even be a problem. Drop rates tied to difficulty and enemy tier ... game already has that sorted it seems.
Argument was that story missions might have lots of high tier enemies, creating too lucrative a loot proposition ... some answers were limit loot. Hence my joke, unfunny as it was.
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