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Post by Space Cowboy on Feb 3, 2019 4:59:25 GMT
Yeah I am fuckin flabberrgasted that you can't replay story missions. Not without help, you mean. If some noob going through the mission for the first time invites you, you can replay it. Not that I think that makes everything cool -- it's super dumb that they block repeats of story missions on your own initiative. It's so bizarre, that I'm morbidly curious as to the rationale. I can't even begin to guess at why they would block replays. I've seen a few comments like this, and am puzzled. Are there games where you can repeat story missions? Not in any Bioware game I'm aware of. I can't go into SWTOR and replay my class stories, for instance. Certainly not in Mass Effect or Dragon Age games.
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Post by crackdownjr on Feb 3, 2019 5:08:55 GMT
I haven't heard anything about a weekly loot cap, that would be dumb Was kind of joking. People mentioned possible reason to not allow mission replays was to limit loot. I don't why that would even be a problem. Drop rates tied to difficulty and enemy tier ... game already has that sorted it seems.
Argument was that story missions might have lots of high tier enemies, creating too lucrative a loot proposition ... some answers were limit loot. Hence my joke, unfunny as it was.
I see. That's why I said nerf loot. Often times I see certain story missions produce high level items that you'd normally have to get in a dungeon (strongholds on this case). Would probably be easier to spam a specific story mission rather than strongholds. Or maybe that's just an excuse, but nerfing loot on story replays would fix that.
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Post by officerdonnz on Feb 3, 2019 5:26:49 GMT
This is like watching a car crash is slow motion. More like a train crash, far more destructive.
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Post by biggydx on Feb 3, 2019 5:36:08 GMT
Not without help, you mean. If some noob going through the mission for the first time invites you, you can replay it. Not that I think that makes everything cool -- it's super dumb that they block repeats of story missions on your own initiative. It's so bizarre, that I'm morbidly curious as to the rationale. I can't even begin to guess at why they would block replays. I've seen a few comments like this, and am puzzled. Are there games where you can repeat story missions? Not in any Bioware game I'm aware of. I can't go into SWTOR and replay my class stories, for instance. Certainly not in Mass Effect or Dragon Age games. To some extent, I think this new brand of Looter-shooter games have kinda spoiled us to the idea of allowing for replayable missions. Once one does it, everyone else has to ask why it isn't in this particular game. Not complaining though.
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Post by lennybusker on Feb 3, 2019 6:45:00 GMT
Not without help, you mean. If some noob going through the mission for the first time invites you, you can replay it. Not that I think that makes everything cool -- it's super dumb that they block repeats of story missions on your own initiative. It's so bizarre, that I'm morbidly curious as to the rationale. I can't even begin to guess at why they would block replays. I've seen a few comments like this, and am puzzled. Are there games where you can repeat story missions? Not in any Bioware game I'm aware of. I can't go into SWTOR and replay my class stories, for instance. Certainly not in Mass Effect or Dragon Age games. It's about games that have a mission-based structure, where all you really do is hit launch on a mission menu. Of course most narrative-driven games of yesteryear don't have it, because the genre is relatively new. But as I posted before, The Division allows for replay of any story mission at any time, with a daily bonus available for select missions. Warframe allows you to replay any story arc but you have to play the arc through to get to a specific mission (and there's no real reason to do so in Warframe, but it is there). Diablo 3 (which seems to have inspired many parts of Anthem) lets you replay story mode from any mission you want, though again there's no real reason to do so. Destiny 1 allowed you to, and as in The Division there were bonuses for replaying specific missions on higher difficulty. Destiny 2 continues daily high difficulty story mission replays but took away the ability to select any mission you want, which seems to be the way Anthem is going- though from what I gather Anthem will only have one daily story mission to replay.
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Post by theduke on Feb 3, 2019 7:10:20 GMT
For solo play game needs to have a story. Anthem doesn't have any, that's why you need to play with your friends to have some fun. The problem is if your friends doesn't wanna play... Speaking of Solo play, is it even possible to form "Fire teams" or some kind of guild in this game? I haven't heard anything or seen any kind of feature that allows Solo players to reach endgame content without having a group of your friends to play along with.
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Post by PillarBiter on Feb 3, 2019 8:43:30 GMT
Six more months, eh? Let me throw something to think about - this game was supposed to be launched a year ago. Imagine in what state it was back then and now it comes with just 3 Strongholds for launch, crappy facial animations, static world and loads of tech issues. What the hell did they do with the whole extra year? It's obvious they didn't spend the time polishing the game or it wouldn't be in such a sorry state. In six months they could iron out some graphical stuff but they are stuck with the world they have now. And it''s boring. People will get sick of Freeplay after a couple of hours, then will get bored with the Strongholds after 4-5 runs each. I don't know what the elder game is supposed to be but if it's just more bullet sponge enemies then the casual players (a pretty big target group) won't even care.
The campaign, and whatever Shaper storms are, better be absolutely F****** revolutionary or this game will bomb so hard that it will be in maintenance mode after a couple of months.
They probably were trying to add stuff to the game instead of fixing technical issues.
At this point I am most looking forward to playing the Campaign in Private Mode. I wish I could play Freeplay and Strongholds also in Private Mode. Bioware seem to have real problems getting the multiplayer part of their multiplayer game right.
Hah me too monkeylungs. Im soloinh the canpaign first and seeing how fun it is, and then multi if i enjoy it further. It might have its issues but bioware magic is definitely there so im hopeful. If I get gobsmacked by the game, ah well, the only criticism i deserve then is loving bioware too much ...
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Post by aglomeracja on Feb 3, 2019 10:30:14 GMT
Not without help, you mean. If some noob going through the mission for the first time invites you, you can replay it. Not that I think that makes everything cool -- it's super dumb that they block repeats of story missions on your own initiative. It's so bizarre, that I'm morbidly curious as to the rationale. I can't even begin to guess at why they would block replays. I've seen a few comments like this, and am puzzled. Are there games where you can repeat story missions? Not in any Bioware game I'm aware of. I can't go into SWTOR and replay my class stories, for instance. Certainly not in Mass Effect or Dragon Age games. You can repeat all group content in SWTOR and it's actually a story content. At least now it's repeatable, it wasn't when I started playing. Oh, and kotfe+kotet chapters are repeatable too.
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Post by Space Cowboy on Feb 3, 2019 11:22:21 GMT
I've seen a few comments like this, and am puzzled. Are there games where you can repeat story missions? Not in any Bioware game I'm aware of. I can't go into SWTOR and replay my class stories, for instance. Certainly not in Mass Effect or Dragon Age games. You can repeat all group content in SWTOR and it's actually a story content. At least now it's repeatable, it wasn't when I started playing. Oh, and kotfe+kotet chapters are repeatable too. Right, I did say class stories, which is the 1-50 class specific stuff.. but point taken. I missed Lenny's previous comment about Destiny and The Division as well. Never played those before.
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Post by dropzofcrimzon on Feb 3, 2019 12:03:14 GMT
Not without help, you mean. If some noob going through the mission for the first time invites you, you can replay it. Not that I think that makes everything cool -- it's super dumb that they block repeats of story missions on your own initiative. It's so bizarre, that I'm morbidly curious as to the rationale. I can't even begin to guess at why they would block replays. I've seen a few comments like this, and am puzzled. Are there games where you can repeat story missions? Not in any Bioware game I'm aware of. I can't go into SWTOR and replay my class stories, for instance. Certainly not in Mass Effect or Dragon Age games. mass effect 1-2-3-A have full on new game plus...so does Baldur's gate. Only DA is kinda idiotic that way in the sense that they never allowed any sort of continuous replayability that did not involve starting from scratch (tho people asked and never got a real answer besides variations of "we thought this was better, you should too)
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Post by Space Cowboy on Feb 3, 2019 14:41:53 GMT
I've seen a few comments like this, and am puzzled. Are there games where you can repeat story missions? Not in any Bioware game I'm aware of. I can't go into SWTOR and replay my class stories, for instance. Certainly not in Mass Effect or Dragon Age games. mass effect 1-2-3-A have full on new game plus...so does Baldur's gate. Only DA is kinda idiotic that way in the sense that they never allowed any sort of continuous replayability that did not involve starting from scratch (tho people asked and never got a real answer besides variations of "we thought this was better, you should too) True, but I think what people are talking about in this thread is replaying a mission within the same run, before completing the campaign? To me this would be like recruiting Liara on Therum, then going back to Therum immediately, with Liara in your squad to recruit Liara again.
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Post by monkeylungs on Feb 3, 2019 14:59:16 GMT
mass effect 1-2-3-A have full on new game plus...so does Baldur's gate. Only DA is kinda idiotic that way in the sense that they never allowed any sort of continuous replayability that did not involve starting from scratch (tho people asked and never got a real answer besides variations of "we thought this was better, you should too) True, but I think what people are talking about in this thread is replaying a mission within the same run, before completing the campaign? To me this would be like recruiting Liara on Therum, then going back to Therum immediately, with Liara in your squad to recruit Liara again. In that specific instance you would want to exclude the choice of bringing Liara.
You can replay earlier missions in Anthem with friends though so the suspension of disbelief is already present. Why not just let players go back and replay on their own as well?
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Post by therevanchist25 on Feb 3, 2019 15:55:01 GMT
Okay, since I am a stubborn bastard, I've spent all morning playing this demo some more, nothing but Colossus. Because I was bound and determined to figure out why this 1 Javelin felt so pathetic compared to the others. I've determined this Javilen is more Gear dependant than the others. This is basically not a Javelin you can use without already possessing a decent combination of gear to put on it, one of them being a Colossus restricted component that boosts the HP and Armor by 1000%, which I obviously do not have atm. it also feels like having multiple slots unlocked for components is almost mandatory before you even begin using this Suit, so you can pile up on Armor and Health Components. I've also noted that the unique Heavy Weapons, aka half the appeal of this suit, are basically totally worthless. In order to even be remotely effective you have you stop using the Heavy Weapons entirely and switch to Shoguns and like Battle Rifles, and the flamethrower ability also, sadly feels absolutely mandatory since basically the only way this Suit works is constantly rushing enemies with the shield raised, jumping up then slamming with the flying melee and grapping the HP orbs, before finishing off whoevers left with the Flamer and Shotgun.
I accomplished the entire Tyrant Mine without dying once like this, granted I also seemed to finally have a party that wasn't totally idiotic. So, I figured out how to make this Suit work, but it is definetly not what I was hoping this Suit would be. With that said, the combat as a whole also felt much better overall with this last group I was in, as there was a Storm and a Ranger and two Colossus. Was a decent group variety and none of them appered to be incompatent. I have to honestly admit, the Tyrant Mine was fun as hell, once we got down into the caves it went to another level, and I suddenly felt like we were the Marines from Aliens, lighting up the zerg rush of Scorpion shaped xenomorphs. Once I equipped pieces of Gear that boosted the rate of HP orbs dropping, health was all over the place in the Mine. This was also the first time I was able to complete the mine without it crashing on me halfway through.
All things considered, for this one run of the Tyrant Mine, I had legitimate fun, and I saw the games potential from at least a combat PoV. But as is the case with this demo, there was a side effect. As soon as the Mine started, the Demo broke ALL of my Audio. Yes, ALL of it. Even when I dropped back to my PS4 Dashboard, even my party chat with my friends stopped working. So alas, I had to run the entire Dungeon in total Silence. And despite that fact, it was still fun as hell.... I feel slightly conflicted, having seen what this game can do when the minute to minute gameplay is running smoothly.
Even if theoretically the story elements end up being total trash, under the right situations, I can now see the combat can be really fun. I am totally stunned right now, what a difference a day makes...
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Post by akots on Feb 3, 2019 16:19:44 GMT
...Now Warframe doesn't have 100% awesome storylines and quests, but at least I always had an idea what to do and why - even if it was just space magic mujumbo. ... IDK how long ago you played Warframe quests. I'm relatively new, low mastery there, and I like it a lot. There is no general story but each one of the quests works just fine. It is not Witcher or Dragon Age but there is a certain good style there for sure. Dialogue is well written and meaningless parts go indeed on the fly but as you said, the player always knows what to do and why. I'm also going through progression of enemies in Warframe right now and it is done very well IMHO. Higher tier enemies have new abilities and graphics plus some new animations. Putting a heavy helm of some higher tier sprite seems like not much but together with slight increase in size and a couple of new abilities really work well. IDK why Bioware did not bother with this in DAI. There was nothing different between a level 1 archer and level 30 archer which is plain silly. Seems like Anthem follows the same lazy ass template.
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Post by lennybusker on Feb 3, 2019 17:00:07 GMT
The narrative beef of Warframe's quests takes a massive upward tick once you get to the Cinematic Quests.
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Post by PapaCharlie9 on Feb 3, 2019 17:59:04 GMT
Not without help, you mean. If some noob going through the mission for the first time invites you, you can replay it. Not that I think that makes everything cool -- it's super dumb that they block repeats of story missions on your own initiative. It's so bizarre, that I'm morbidly curious as to the rationale. I can't even begin to guess at why they would block replays. I'm assuming it's to stop players from repeatedly playing a story mission over and over again because it has a lot of high-value targets in a short amount of time that may drop gear. It can't be that, since you can actually replay the story missions if invited. It's more of a hassle, but not impossible to arrange. And if they can come up with logic that blocks you from initiating a replay, they can come up with logic that nerfs the drops on follow-up replays. This is also fairly standard in games that have hard-to-find collectibles in chapters that also persist progress -- a "replay this chapter without saving your progress" mode. Besides, Legendary Contracts and Strongholds drop even better loot and are designed to be replayed a bazillion times.
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Post by acehilator on Feb 3, 2019 18:03:37 GMT
So done with the demo, rofl. The constant network problems as soon as their infrastructure comes under heavy load are pathetic.
So I went from 50/50 before the VIP demo to 70/30 against after it, and to 90/10 against after the open demo. Only reason why I might still get the game is because I am REALLY bored right now and in the foreseeable future. Subnautica: Below Zero is extremely tempting, but I want to wait for the full release.
Besides combat and Javelins, all other parts of the game are uninspired, bland, subpar and barely average:
- enemy design
- enemy AI/abilites/interaction (regressed from ME3, dafuq)
- world design/graphics
- sound design (horrible BB guns everywhere, wtf)
- technical implementation: leave mission - loadscreen - leave end of game screen - load screen - want to tinker with your Javelin - loadscreen - finish tinkering fade to black (omg, nice change of pace) - jump into Javelin - loadscreen ... whoever decided on using that design needs to be fired on the spot
- UI is an inconsequential mess (PC), hold button to blabla... I'm not playing on console, stop using that BS
- vital information is withheld from the player EVERYWHERE (cannot compare base weapons types, cannot even see weapons you don't own currently, existence of different weakspot modifiers between weapon types is not even hinted at)
- 70-80% of weapons are useless, filling no niche, having no role to play
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Post by PapaCharlie9 on Feb 3, 2019 18:08:10 GMT
Not without help, you mean. If some noob going through the mission for the first time invites you, you can replay it. Not that I think that makes everything cool -- it's super dumb that they block repeats of story missions on your own initiative. It's so bizarre, that I'm morbidly curious as to the rationale. I can't even begin to guess at why they would block replays. I've seen a few comments like this, and am puzzled. Are there games where you can repeat story missions? Not in any Bioware game I'm aware of. I can't go into SWTOR and replay my class stories, for instance. Certainly not in Mass Effect or Dragon Age games. First, let's factor out all the games that have save files, since that gives a means to replay chapters whether the game supports it or not. So that's like 90% of the game I play right there. You better believe I replayed every chapter of ME and DA that had interesting choices, and tried all choices, before picking one for that run. What's left are games that either support replay directly (RDR2, Life is Strange, Bayonetta, DMC, Sleeping Dogs), or that don't and don't have save files (aforementioned Saints Row, Just Cause).
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Post by dropzofcrimzon on Feb 3, 2019 18:33:57 GMT
mass effect 1-2-3-A have full on new game plus...so does Baldur's gate. Only DA is kinda idiotic that way in the sense that they never allowed any sort of continuous replayability that did not involve starting from scratch (tho people asked and never got a real answer besides variations of "we thought this was better, you should too) True, but I think what people are talking about in this thread is replaying a mission within the same run, before completing the campaign? To me this would be like recruiting Liara on Therum, then going back to Therum immediately, with Liara in your squad to recruit Liara again. no, a lot of us meant this as replaying the campaign period
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Post by hoovsbin on Feb 3, 2019 18:35:46 GMT
I really wanted to like this game. I'm still hoping for a Mass Effect experience, despite the Bioware track record.
I played the PC demo version with 3 other family/friends and after about 6 hours I decided to order the game. It was glitchy, but fun.
Played another 8 hours and now after playing the three 'campaign' missions at least twice each, playing Stronghold five times, and flying/fighting Freestyle for hours:
***I went back to my EA/ORIGIN Order History screen and hit "CANCEL".***
- Enemy AI non-existent - Loading, loading, loading, loading, loading, loading - One member of our crew with a $5000 1 year old Falcon-NW PC and NVIDIA videocard had chopfest graphics; latest drivers, ect. - After many hours the game degrades into utter repetitive boredom - It's just not fun
TO RECAP: 1. Pre Demo Launch - "No way will I buy; still haven't forgiven BIOBLOW for MEA!" 2. Demo during first 8 hours - "This is kinda new and fun!" 3. Buy the game as Pre-Order 4. Play 6 more hours - "This game sucks. It's MEAMP versus DAIMP with all the worst features of both!" 5. Cancel Pre-Order
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Post by Space Cowboy on Feb 3, 2019 18:46:28 GMT
I've seen a few comments like this, and am puzzled. Are there games where you can repeat story missions? Not in any Bioware game I'm aware of. I can't go into SWTOR and replay my class stories, for instance. Certainly not in Mass Effect or Dragon Age games. First, let's factor out all the games that have save files, since that gives a means to replay chapters whether the game supports it or not. So that's like 90% of the game I play right there. You better believe I replayed every chapter of ME and DA that had interesting choices, and tried all choices, before picking one for that run. What's left are games that either support replay directly (RDR2, Life is Strange, Bayonetta, DMC, Sleeping Dogs), or that don't and don't have save files (aforementioned Saints Row, Just Cause). I'm not looking to argue for or against the idea, nor am I denying that its possible to replay a game mission/chapter, should you choose, whether it's via saves as you suggest or via playing the game from the beginning, or NG+. Obviously that's possible.
But it isnt what people in this thread are talking about, so is entirely irrelevant. *shrug*
As it turns out, according to others, it's possible to replay missions in games like Destiny during the same run/character/campaign. As I said, that's like replaying the same mission, like Therum again, after having successfully competed it, no save game trickery etc. I didn't know this, hence the question. I haven't played the games you mention, but if I did I doubt I'd avail myself of the option.
Since Anthem is similar to Destiny, they are surprised this isnt possible in Anthem. I don't care one way or another. I'd prefer my story missions to follow some narrative coherence. If others want to play differently, then go right ahead? *shrug*
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Post by Space Cowboy on Feb 3, 2019 18:53:52 GMT
True, but I think what people are talking about in this thread is replaying a mission within the same run, before completing the campaign? To me this would be like recruiting Liara on Therum, then going back to Therum immediately, with Liara in your squad to recruit Liara again. no, a lot of us meant this as replaying the campaign period As NG+ you mean? Yeah odd that they don't include that. I guess they would have to reset Fort Tarsis? Since your progress affects how it looks apparently. Others have suggested they would want to prevent you from grinding the entire campaign for loot, or something
It's essentially an MMO though, so you dont usually get NG+ in an mmo, as far as I know. They seem to have a vision of how they want their games to be played, and try to herd people in that direction. Play til you reach strongholds and then keep playing them over and over! yay.
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Post by dropzofcrimzon on Feb 3, 2019 19:24:51 GMT
no, a lot of us meant this as replaying the campaign period As NG+ you mean? Yeah odd that they don't include that. I guess they would have to reset Fort Tarsis? Since your progress affects how it looks apparently. Others have suggested they would want to prevent you from grinding the entire campaign for loot, or something
It's essentially an MMO though, so you dont usually get NG+ in an mmo, as far as I know. They seem to have a vision of how they want their games to be played, and try to herd people in that direction. Play til you reach strongholds and then keep playing them over and over! yay.
which FURTHER makes it fell less of a bioware game In spite of what we were told Thank God I did not preorder
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Post by Space Cowboy on Feb 3, 2019 19:26:42 GMT
As NG+ you mean? Yeah odd that they don't include that. I guess they would have to reset Fort Tarsis? Since your progress affects how it looks apparently. Others have suggested they would want to prevent you from grinding the entire campaign for loot, or something
It's essentially an MMO though, so you dont usually get NG+ in an mmo, as far as I know. They seem to have a vision of how they want their games to be played, and try to herd people in that direction. Play til you reach strongholds and then keep playing them over and over! yay.
which FURTHER makes it fell less of a bioware game In spite of what we were told Thank God I did not preorder Same here. Maybe if they drop the price to almost nothing I may pick it up.
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Post by dropzofcrimzon on Feb 3, 2019 20:05:22 GMT
which FURTHER makes it fell less of a bioware game In spite of what we were told Thank God I did not preorder Same here. Maybe if they drop the price to almost nothing I may pick it up. what would be the point? You'd plunge in a world that is either empty because everyone is gone or where you are obslete with nothing to really do past a single run of campaign
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