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Post by Deleted on Feb 8, 2019 4:06:02 GMT
You guys have been decent (i.e. not flaming each other), so thank you. But this is the skepticism thread … where folks who have certain views about Anthem come to express them. There is also a hype Pollyanthem thread, for those with a different view. So while I appreciate the civility you guys have maintained, this is also not an Anthem general discussion thread … for give and take. Please respect that and allow the folks here to stay on topic, wrt the thread.
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Post by Abramsrunner on Feb 8, 2019 5:30:36 GMT
Really? Are you sure they are actually smart? I'm doubtful.
The fact is Apex Legends launch and performance are so far beyond what I have seen from Anthem there is zero comparison.
You are correct about one thing: there is no comparison. As one is a DEMO and one is a LAUNCHED GAME! I mean, read these changes they are making and tell me that you played the full launched title. www.polygon.com/2019/2/5/18205886/anthem-biggest-changes-demo-full-gameIt's a list of 19 things Bioware devs are changing from the demo to the full launch. That includes framerate fixes, speeding up loading screens, etc. Heck, the decrease in "infinite loading screens" from the VIP demo to last weeks was huge! I'm sorry that Sony won't revoke your pre-order or whatever. I'm sorry that apparently you thought Anthem was going to be a full-on SP RPG or whatever your issue is with it. But comparing it to a launched title because you are upset that you had connection issues on the DEMO of an un-launched Multi-player game is just ridiculous. Well it's not like a "demo" supposed to be representative of the finished product or anything imaright? Fixing things that shouldn't happen the first place for a game coming out in about 1-2 weeks is never a good sign. It says a lot when a multiplayer only game that has been marketed for almost 2 years-ish, comes out of gate & falls flat on it's face with just server issues alone. The other one which nobody knew about was ready on day 1 when it was announced, then released same day with little technical, & server problems. I don't think anybody thought this was gonna be a Classic boiverpls SP RPG, I can see how players would like to have solo play to take in, explore, & listen to this new world in a new IP biowear made.
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Post by maximusarael020 on Feb 8, 2019 6:11:02 GMT
You are correct about one thing: there is no comparison. As one is a DEMO and one is a LAUNCHED GAME! I mean, read these changes they are making and tell me that you played the full launched title. www.polygon.com/2019/2/5/18205886/anthem-biggest-changes-demo-full-gameIt's a list of 19 things Bioware devs are changing from the demo to the full launch. That includes framerate fixes, speeding up loading screens, etc. Heck, the decrease in "infinite loading screens" from the VIP demo to last weeks was huge! I'm sorry that Sony won't revoke your pre-order or whatever. I'm sorry that apparently you thought Anthem was going to be a full-on SP RPG or whatever your issue is with it. But comparing it to a launched title because you are upset that you had connection issues on the DEMO of an un-launched Multi-player game is just ridiculous. Well it's not like a "demo" supposed to be representative of the finished product or anything imaright? Fixing things that shouldn't happen the first place for a game coming out in about 1-2 weeks is never a good sign. It says a lot when a multiplayer only game that has been marketed for almost 2 years-ish, comes out of gate & falls flat on it's face with just server issues alone. The other one which nobody knew about was ready on day 1 when it was announced, then released same day with little technical, & server problems. I don't think anybody thought this was gonna be a Classic boiverpls SP RPG, I can see how players would like to have solo play to take in, explore, & listen to this new world in a new IP biowear made. Nope. You're right. This is the skepticism thread, after all. World news! Multiplayer game early demo has "server" issue! First time ever! Mostly fixed by following weekend. Conclusion! Anthem doomed! I'll take my leave now and leave you guys to your "accurate" comparisons.
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Post by General Mahad on Feb 8, 2019 6:39:03 GMT
So yeah, if the UI needs a lot of rework.
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Post by Kappa Neko on Feb 8, 2019 7:54:10 GMT
All right, if they'll keep Freeplay the way it is, then it's a no buy for me. Period. I'll play the entire game with my 1-2 friends who are willing to buy the game or not at all.
This is the most stupid thing about the game and a big middle finger to solo players (like many of their old fans.)
Jeez, really, Bioware?
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Post by spacev3gan on Feb 8, 2019 8:15:47 GMT
Nope. You're right. This is the skepticism thread, after all. World news! Multiplayer game early demo has "server" issue! First time ever! Mostly fixed by following weekend. Conclusion! Anthem doomed! I'll take my leave now and leave you guys to your "accurate" comparisons. From my understanding (and please correct if I am wrong here) a Demo is not a Beta, and definitely not an Alpha. A Demo is a teaser taken straight out of the final product; a small piece of content used to represent the final product and attract potential buyers. A Demo is not meant to be used as a performance test or server stress test. When a Demo is out, we can assume the game has long passed the stages of development in which tests are needed. Over the last few years, gamers got more used to the expression Open Beta rather than the word Demo. Being a Beta after all meant that users ought to be more tolerant to bugs and the lack of polishing in that game content, and expect those issues to be fixed when the final product is out. When Anthem announced they had a Demo coming out, not a Beta, we all expected it to be more polished and serviceable that what it ended up being. In all honesty, what I downloaded, played and experienced felt more like an Alpha to me.
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Post by saandrig on Feb 8, 2019 8:40:56 GMT
All right, if they'll keep Freeplay the way it is, then it's a no buy for me. Period. I'll play the entire game with my 1-2 friends who are willing to buy the game or not at all. This is the most stupid thing about the game and a big middle finger to solo players (like many of their old fans.) Jeez, really, Bioware? What could they possibly change in Freeplay in the short term. The whole game seems to be built around it and it is pretty much the only map they got and the one of the two endgame activities that will occupy players time the most. Or so BW hopes. The map is too small to hope to retain the feel of exploration and scenery fun for long. The events in the demo were all the same and will get stale rather quick. Even in long term what can BW do? I guess, since they are stuck with the map, they need to mix it up with the events. Cataclysms are obviously the step in that direction, but we know nothing of how they work or if they will be different than the current event formula. If it's just stronger bullet sponges with better loot, it may backfire. As of now in my eyes Freeplay is just a glorified shooting range to test loadouts for SH runs. Only area where things can be realistically improved is making the map more dynamic with different encounters and objectives that don't always rely on waves of respawning bullet sponges. Maybe cataclysms will be that. Maybe the current consoles can't handle something like that. We'll probably have to wait until June or at worst September to find out.
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Post by Gileadan on Feb 8, 2019 8:41:33 GMT
Well, the bold parts were indeed the ones I was most interested in. I had hoped that the forced public setting for free play would be a demo only thing and maybe they'd enable strongholds for lone wolves later, but apparently they are firm in their plan to give solo players the finger. Chances are they aren't going to get many converts from the single player crowd that way, but I'm sure someone thought this would be a good idea and they know what they're doing. I might still buy it at a greatly reduced price, but frankly I have many games to play that interest me more than Anthem. It's been a while that I wanted to like a game so much and had it end in such disappointment.
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Post by Kappa Neko on Feb 8, 2019 8:52:38 GMT
saandrig I wasn't talking about the map. I was talking about the forced public play. Surely it's not difficult to change the code to the one for missions? This distinction between private missions and public free roam makes NO sense whatsoever.
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Post by saandrig on Feb 8, 2019 8:55:02 GMT
Well, the bold parts were indeed the ones I was most interested in. I had hoped that the forced public setting for free play would be a demo only thing and maybe they'd enable strongholds for lone wolves later, but apparently they are firm in their plan to give solo players the finger. Chances are they aren't going to get many converts from the single player crowd that way, but I'm sure someone thought this would be a good idea and they know what they're doing. I might still buy it at a greatly reduced price, but frankly I have many games to play that interest me more than Anthem. It's been a while that I wanted to like a game so much and had it end in such disappointment. SWTOR devs were also pretty adamant that Flashpoints and Heroics were group content and will not be available for Solo, like ever. Well, look how that turned out 😁 And SWTOR had a huge SP list of stuff to do even at launch. It had more SP stuff than the entire Anthem SP-MP content to date (a bit of speculation, but I am 99% sure I am right.) I am ready to bet Bioware is ready to offer Solo mode Strongholds before the end of the year if things get hairy. Just some number tweaks and spawns reduction and voila.
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Post by Pounce de León on Feb 8, 2019 9:05:22 GMT
The way freeplay turned out even on a small map in demo was pretty much solo experience. Maybe they just chuck in a group so they dont have to start several single instances on the server. For cost. Or there is some insidious plan that MP sessions turn more revvenoo.
All I know is that I play solo AND group all the time at my choice in other games and that has worked out very well for the experience.
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Post by saandrig on Feb 8, 2019 9:11:16 GMT
saandrig I wasn't talking about the map. I was talking about the forced public play. Surely it's not difficult to change the code to the one for missions? This distinction between private missions and public free roam makes NO sense whatsoever. If the game is a success and gets lots of people, maybe we will see a Solo map, but I am sceptical. The 4 player limit is not only due to the map size but probably also the best from a technical point. A Solo map would require different settings and probably extra load on the servers (someone versed in that may know how it will work). Maybe too many instances are not viable and the forced team play is the only option for now. And if the game flops you may get a whole map to yourself most of the time. So yeah, silver lining? 😐
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Post by Kappa Neko on Feb 8, 2019 10:46:34 GMT
If public freeplay is about server limitations or saving costs, then that's at least something I can understand. Pretty sad and disappointing in any case.
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Post by PillarBiter on Feb 8, 2019 11:37:24 GMT
All right, if they'll keep Freeplay the way it is, then it's a no buy for me. Period. I'll play the entire game with my 1-2 friends who are willing to buy the game or not at all. This is the most stupid thing about the game and a big middle finger to solo players (like many of their old fans.) Jeez, really, Bioware? Yo have a right to your own opionion and feelings of course, but I would liek to note that I spent a couple hours in freeplay on the demo flying solo, and the times I encountered others I can count on one hand. And even upon an encounter, it's not like we interacted or anything, we just shot at the same thing, and went our way.
I get wanting to play solo, believe me. I'm going to solo the story as well. But losing interest because it's impossible to 'solo' freeplay may possibly idunno an overreaction.
If anything, you should be mad you can't solo strongholds.
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Post by saandrig on Feb 8, 2019 11:50:09 GMT
If anything, you should be mad you can't solo strongholds. [/p][/quote] But can't we? No clue how the balance will be in the launch release, but in the Demo I did a single Easy run to test the Interceptor for the first time. The experience was Hot Knife.meet.Butter. In just one Ultimate I took almost 30% of the Spider boss. The other players could have very well been useless NPCs that I had to wait for to catch up a few times. Remove the doors that need several players to open and an Easy SH may end up an almost Solo run for a semi-geared player. And my experience in Freeplay was largely the same. The 3 other players (when there were 3) weren't more than random NPC Freelancers that you stumble upon.
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Post by Kappa Neko on Feb 8, 2019 11:59:39 GMT
Yo have a right to your own opionion and feelings of course, but I would liek to note that I spent a couple hours in freeplay on the demo flying solo, and the times I encountered others I can count on one hand. And even upon an encounter, it's not like we interacted or anything, we just shot at the same thing, and went our way.
I get wanting to play solo, believe me. I'm going to solo the story as well. But losing interest because it's impossible to 'solo' freeplay may possibly idunno an overreaction.
If anything, you should be mad you can't solo strongholds.
Oh, *I* don't want to play solo, I want to play with friends. And only with friends but not with a random person if our group is less than 4. And so far we'd be 3 at best. And friends aside, what you get for public play is a repeated connecting screen if it fails to find somebody right away. Which happened during the demo. Couldn't find a match on the first try. So that javelin animation was repeated. Which makes me wonder what's going to happen when you play at an ungodly hour where there's nobody else around for several minutes.
I know freeplay is a lonely affair anyway. But still. Plenty of people are disappointed by this and unless Bioware tells us why they did that and won't even consider a private option, I deem it a really REALLY stupid move that will drive people away.
Stronholds are balanced for teamplay. I can respect that. I bet some people could solo it. Hell, people solo ME3Mp on Platinum. So maybe people should be allowed to try their luck. Still, I am fine with the balancing argument. More than public freeplay for no reason.
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Post by Space Cowboy on Feb 8, 2019 12:26:06 GMT
I was a bit put off in free play when I’d fly by a random point and Owen starts talking like it was arranged that I would be there and I already knew about whatever the mission was. Like I was jumping into the middle of a story. Maybe that will be different in the full game.
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Post by Garo on Feb 8, 2019 12:51:42 GMT
That is a little off-topic but did anyone also have their Origin password changed by EA? Because they did change mine this morning because of some security problem so I wonder.
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Post by Kappa Neko on Feb 8, 2019 13:32:28 GMT
That is a little off-topic but did anyone also have their Origin password changed by EA? Because they did change mine this morning because of some security problem so I wonder. <iframe style="position: absolute; width: 23.960000000000036px; height: 2.8400000000000034px; z-index: -9999; border-style: none;left: 15px; top: -5px;" id="MoatPxIOPT0_15178985" scrolling="no" width="23.960000000000036" height="2.8400000000000034"></iframe> <iframe style="position: absolute; width: 23.96px; height: 2.84px; z-index: -9999; border-style: none; left: 1138px; top: -5px;" id="MoatPxIOPT0_50236464" scrolling="no" width="23.960000000000036" height="2.8400000000000034"></iframe> <iframe style="position: absolute; width: 23.96px; height: 2.84px; z-index: -9999; border-style: none; left: 15px; top: 83px;" id="MoatPxIOPT0_76466458" scrolling="no" width="23.960000000000036" height="2.8400000000000034"></iframe> <iframe style="position: absolute; width: 23.96px; height: 2.84px; z-index: -9999; border-style: none; left: 1138px; top: 83px;" id="MoatPxIOPT0_62723794" scrolling="no" width="23.960000000000036" height="2.8400000000000034"></iframe> This sounds like the reoccuring bug that a friend of mine has where his password gets reset whenever his internet is down for a minute. Customer support doesn't care. He gets it all the time. They won't fix it. I hope this was a one time thing for you.
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Post by lennybusker on Feb 8, 2019 14:01:46 GMT
Well, the bold parts were indeed the ones I was most interested in. I had hoped that the forced public setting for free play would be a demo only thing and maybe they'd enable strongholds for lone wolves later, but apparently they are firm in their plan to give solo players the finger. Chances are they aren't going to get many converts from the single player crowd that way, but I'm sure someone thought this would be a good idea and they know what they're doing. I might still buy it at a greatly reduced price, but frankly I have many games to play that interest me more than Anthem. It's been a while that I wanted to like a game so much and had it end in such disappointment. I really just want strongholds solo so I can do them as a challenge.
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Post by monkeylungs on Feb 8, 2019 15:19:23 GMT
Being able to set Freeplay to Private would also mean you could play around in Freeplay while waiting for your friends, then invite them to your Freeplay session when they are done Fort Tarsis'ing and you wouldn't have to end Freeplay, watch a victory screen plus a load screen, then do some forge stuff (loadscreen!) to check your loot, dismantle loot then get back in your Javelin and then go to Freeplay again (loadscreen!).
That constant pulling you out of the gameplay mode to go back to Tarsis coupled with all the loadscreens involved is going to get really aggravating.
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Post by Qui-Gon GlenN7 on Feb 8, 2019 15:24:48 GMT
Nope. You're right. This is the skepticism thread, after all. World news! Multiplayer game early demo has "server" issue! First time ever! Mostly fixed by following weekend. Conclusion! Anthem doomed! I'll take my leave now and leave you guys to your "accurate" comparisons. From my understanding (and please correct if I am wrong here) a Demo is not a Beta, and definitely not an Alpha. A Demo is a teaser taken straight out of the final product; a small piece of content used to represent the final product and attract potential buyers. A Demo is not meant to be used as a performance test or server stress test. When a Demo is out, we can assume the game has long passed the stages of development in which tests are needed. Over the last few years, gamers got more used to the expression Open Beta rather than the word Demo. Being a Beta after all meant that users ought to be more tolerant to bugs and the lack of polishing in that game content, and expect those issues to be fixed when the final product is out. When Anthem announced they had a Demo coming out, not a Beta, we all expected it to be more polished and serviceable that what it ended up being. In all honesty, what I downloaded, played and experienced felt more like an Alpha to me. Hahahaha nice work spacev3gan. Some people use words constantly, never considering the meaning of the words they are using. Words have meaning. Ffs.
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Post by Qui-Gon GlenN7 on Feb 8, 2019 15:31:21 GMT
Player retention: I am playing KotOR again. Full playthrough, started two days ago. Probably around my 100th playthrough.
They retained the shit out of me, with a SP game that graphically looks old compared to modern games, even with an override full of mods.
But they couldn't monetize that love. They try to though; the only reason we are here now is because of older, better titles that retained our love, our memories.
The MTX model will be the death of this gaming cycle. Also, kill all whales - they are how we got here. You wanna talk about fucking entitlement...
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Post by monkeylungs on Feb 8, 2019 15:38:27 GMT
That 'demo' should have been released as a 'Beta' about 6 months ago. This would give them time to actually fix all this stuff.
What people are not considering or failing to mention or ignoring is that the 'full build version of perfectness' that has definitely fixed everything "TRUST ME!"' is being played by people on specialized PC's on closed networks. At release, I wouldn't be surprised if we not only see many of the same issues crop up again and a whole host of other stuff that hasn't been field tested.
Either they knew about all the issues that 'demo' had and just released it anyway.
Or ...
They didn't know that all that stuff was going to happen until they had the game being played in a live environment on playstation network, and xbox live, and on pc's from outside their closed network situation. Which begs the question what happens when the full game gets the same treatment? Will they discover some things in their full launch stage of their beta program they didn't find whilst testing on closed networks? Have we learned anything from what we have been shown or do we take it on blind faith that "Everything is fixed at launch"?
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Post by Qui-Gon GlenN7 on Feb 8, 2019 15:53:22 GMT
Everything was fixed at lunch. Fried chicken, mashed potatoes, gravy, cheese grits, collard greens, fried okra. All the fixin's!
Oh, wait... You said launch. Well, nobody would ever launch a boat that was sure to sink, right?
I mean, not two games in a row.... Right?
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