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Post by shinobiwan on Feb 8, 2019 16:06:31 GMT
That 'demo' should have been released as a 'Beta' about 6 months ago. This would give them time to actually fix all this stuff. What people are not considering or failing to mention or ignoring is that the 'full build version of perfectness' that has definitely fixed everything "TRUST ME!"' is being played by people on specialized PC's on closed networks. At release, I wouldn't be surprised if we not only see many of the same issues crop up again and a whole host of other stuff that hasn't been field tested. Either they knew about all the issues that 'demo' had and just released it anyway. Or ... They didn't know that all that stuff was going to happen until they had the game being played in a live environment on playstation network, and xbox live, and on pc's from outside their closed network situation. Which begs the question what happens when the full game gets the same treatment? Will they discover some things in their full launch stage of their beta program they didn't find whilst testing on closed networks? Have we learned anything from what we have been shown or do we take it on blind faith that "Everything is fixed at launch"? Agree completely. The "old build" excuse is nonsense - everything that is ever released on consoles has to go through certification. By their logic, even the release versions should be excused from game-stopping bugs because the deadline to finish the build is earlier than the actual launch. Bioware knew what their deadline was to create a demo, and this was the best foot they could put forward. Not good. And even if you buy the 'trust us, it's been fixed for launch' statements (of which I am highly skeptical, given how many times they claimed the vanguard charge bug and numerous issues with andromeda were "fixed"), we haven't even seen at least 80% of the game. If they couldn't catch things like spawning outside the boss door upon rejoin for the thin slice of the game the demo included, you can bet there will be plenty more issues for the remainder.
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Post by Sartoz on Feb 8, 2019 16:19:40 GMT
Nope. You're right. This is the skepticism thread, after all. World news! Multiplayer game early demo has "server" issue! First time ever! Mostly fixed by following weekend. Conclusion! Anthem doomed! I'll take my leave now and leave you guys to your "accurate" comparisons. From my understanding (and please correct if I am wrong here) a Demo is not a Beta, and definitely not an Alpha. A Demo is a teaser taken straight out of the final product; a small piece of content used to represent the final product and attract potential buyers. A Demo is not meant to be used as a performance test or server stress test. When a Demo is out, we can assume the game has long passed the stages of development in which tests are needed. Over the last few years, gamers got more used to the expression Open Beta rather than the word Demo. Being a Beta after all meant that users ought to be more tolerant to bugs and the lack of polishing in that game content, and expect those issues to be fixed when the final product is out. When Anthem announced they had a Demo coming out, not a Beta, we all expected it to be more polished and serviceable that what it ended up being. In all honesty, what I downloaded, played and experienced felt more like an Alpha to me.
Bio made a terrible faux pas, in bifurcating the VIP demo from the main using an older build. The studio wanted to hide the real game from possible negative criticism, imo. Unfortunately, gamers first impressions were shockingly negative (except for the Pollyannas) and rightly so since Bio focused on the purty visuals.
To be fair, Bio did state the VIP demo was totally unbalanced and its game economy totally different from the main. The statement did not excuse the problems suffered by the players who pre-ordered the game.
I agree with you that a "demo" is a slice of the actual production version of the game and that the VIP demo is not. One thing we all are looking forward to is LOADING screens galore.
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Post by Sartoz on Feb 8, 2019 16:32:42 GMT
Agree completely. The "old build" excuse is nonsense - everything that is ever released on consoles has to go through certification. Big Snip
True... BUT Console certification deals with high security standards (ie: prevent user game copying) set by the console vendor. It has nothing to do with testing the game for bugs (from what I understand).
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Post by shinobiwan on Feb 8, 2019 18:26:08 GMT
Agree completely. The "old build" excuse is nonsense - everything that is ever released on consoles has to go through certification. Big Snip
True... BUT Console certification deals with high security standards (ie: prevent user game copying) set by the console vendor. It has nothing to do with testing the game for bugs (from what I understand).
Agreed, but the point is Bioware was well aware of the process and the need to complete the build by an earlier deadline, and other companies release less buggy games/demos under the same time restrictions.
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Post by Qui-Gon GlenN7 on Feb 8, 2019 18:55:34 GMT
What is a demo?
Well, "demo" is the abbreviated form of demonstration. Demonstration is a conjugation of demonstrate. Demonstrate comes from the latin, "demonstrare" - "to point out".
What does demonstrate mean?
Dictionary definition - give a practical exhibition and explanation of (how a machine, skill, or craft works or is performed).
A door-to-door vacuum salesman doesn't take his barely working prototype to demonstrate to crazy Miss Edna down the street - he takes a model that works well and shows off the product well, even if it isn't identical to the final production model.
A demo is supposed to cast your product in the best light possible.
Do any of you actually understand the words you use on a day to day basis, or is every bit of your vocabulary learnt to the degree of a pirate's parrot?
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Post by lennybusker on Feb 8, 2019 19:13:33 GMT
"Guys we have got an amazing car for you this year, it's really going to blow you away. Here's what you're gonna be driving in 2019:"i.imgur.com/YDPvvs3.jpgWow cool, can I test drive it to see how it feels?"Absolutely! Go ahead and take one around the block!"i.imgur.com/mJwLx98.jpg
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Post by shinobiwan on Feb 8, 2019 19:39:39 GMT
"Guys we have got an amazing car for you this year, it's really going to blow you away. Here's what you're gonna be driving in 2019:"i.imgur.com/YDPvvs3.jpgWow cool, can I test drive it to see how it feels?"Absolutely! Go ahead and take one around the block!"i.imgur.com/mJwLx98.jpg *Buys car 1 and takes it for a drive* *Rain washes off paint, revealing car 1 was actually car 2 underneath*
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Post by theduke on Feb 8, 2019 19:43:55 GMT
"Guys we have got an amazing car for you this year, it's really going to blow you away. Here's what you're gonna be driving in 2019:"i.imgur.com/YDPvvs3.jpgWow cool, can I test drive it to see how it feels?"Absolutely! Go ahead and take one around the block!"i.imgur.com/mJwLx98.jpg Couldn't have put it any better, this is just how gaming is nowadays. Never a finished product, just selling on hope that one day it might be good.
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Post by lennybusker on Feb 8, 2019 20:15:25 GMT
"Guys we have got an amazing car for you this year, it's really going to blow you away. Here's what you're gonna be driving in 2019:"i.imgur.com/YDPvvs3.jpgWow cool, can I test drive it to see how it feels?"Absolutely! Go ahead and take one around the block!"i.imgur.com/mJwLx98.jpg Couldn't have put it any better, this is just how gaming is nowadays. Never a finished product, just selling on hope that one day it might be good. It's not always like that, I mean the Destiny 2 PC beta ran flawlessly, that game had many issues at launch but the beta/demo being a shoddy presentation was not one of them. The RE2 demo recently was very, very good (despite that weird ass 1 hour timer thing?). Shadow of the Tomb Raider has a demo still available now that is the same as the actual game, just story-locked to the first level or so.
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Post by masterwarderz on Feb 8, 2019 20:23:56 GMT
But this is the skepticism thread … where folks who have certain views about Anthem come to express them. Such as it being the latest in a line of soulless battle royal piece of shit tournament shooters that you hope bombs utterly to destroy the company that produced it to save it from future such levels of incompetence because once upon a time you viewed their products in a positive light but that ended near on a decade ago at this point. Opinions such as that.
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Post by PillarBiter on Feb 8, 2019 20:30:06 GMT
But this is the skepticism thread … where folks who have certain views about Anthem come to express them. Such as it being the latest in a line of soulless battle royal piece of shit tournament shooters that you hope bombs utterly to destroy the company that produced it to save it from future such levels of incompetence because once upon a time you viewed their products in a positive light but that ended near on a decade ago at this point. Opinions such as that. I just adore a good sarcastically drippin’ juicy post.
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Post by biggydx on Feb 8, 2019 20:39:32 GMT
Couldn't have put it any better, this is just how gaming is nowadays. Never a finished product, just selling on hope that one day it might be good. It's not always like that, I mean the Destiny 2 PC beta ran flawlessly, that game had many issues at launch but the beta/demo being a shoddy presentation was not one of them. The RE2 demo recently was very, very good (despite that weird ass 1 hour timer thing?). Shadow of the Tomb Raider has a demo still available now that is the same as the actual game, just story-locked to the first level or so. When was that Destiny PC beta? I know the PC version came out three months after. Also, I think it's important to remember that High Moon Studios (an Activision studio) helped with the PC port of Destiny. Still, Anthem should have taken at least another 6 months before release.
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Post by theduke on Feb 8, 2019 20:52:11 GMT
Couldn't have put it any better, this is just how gaming is nowadays. Never a finished product, just selling on hope that one day it might be good. It's not always like that, I mean the Destiny 2 PC beta ran flawlessly, that game had many issues at launch but the beta/demo being a shoddy presentation was not one of them. The RE2 demo recently was very, very good (despite that weird ass 1 hour timer thing?). Shadow of the Tomb Raider has a demo still available now that is the same as the actual game, just story-locked to the first level or so. True there are a few that do well, but the number of titles that come out unfinished greatly outnumbers them. (A bit off topic but how is RE2 anyway? I really want to pick it up.)
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Post by Arijon van Goyen on Feb 8, 2019 21:39:42 GMT
Well back in late 90s and early 2000s demos were like this
and it's a good representation of the game (a level not included in the game itself but comprises gameplay, some characters and stuff), just slightly different in sound effects I think.
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Post by aglomeracja on Feb 8, 2019 21:49:13 GMT
Well back in late 90s and early 2000s demos were like this and it's a good representation of the game (a level not included in the game itself but comprises gameplay, some characters and stuff), just slightly different in sound effects I think. Damn, combat in this game was fun!
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Post by Deleted on Feb 8, 2019 22:22:01 GMT
What is a demo? Well, "demo" is the abbreviated form of demonstration. Demonstration is a conjugation of demonstrate. Demonstrate comes from the latin, "demonstrare" - "to point out". What does demonstrate mean? Dictionary definition - give a practical exhibition and explanation of (how a machine, skill, or craft works or is performed). A door-to-door vacuum salesman doesn't take his barely working prototype to demonstrate to crazy Miss Edna down the street - he takes a model that works well and shows off the product well, even if it isn't identical to the final production model. A demo is supposed to cast your product in the best light possible. Do any of you actually understand the words you use on a day to day basis, or is every bit of your vocabulary learnt to the degree of a pirate's parrot? Lol, how quaint! You seem to hold onto some antiquated notion that words signify meaning, distinctions, are a reflection of a profound shared reality, and help you to orient yourself in a world. It's the current year after all, and words are a semantic witchcraft with total equivalency and infinite mutability, jumping to the pulse of commerce. Why the D word was chosen instead of the B word, is because when they did A/B testing with a focus group, the B word just kind of tanked (didn't have that patina of nostalgia you see!). They really didn't have any choice on the matter. Besides, it'd be totally unreasonable to assume that you could make conclusions on something six weeks old anyway, or expect it to represent a final product in any way (that is unless you liked it, in which case it totally does resemble. Don't forget to preorder and subscribe to Origin Access Premier). How stupid is think something like that, it's not like even the launched game will truly represent a panacea, which is coming. Or scratch that, thinking of "finished" games is living in the 90s. Shining heights of AAA-gaming has dispensed that notion. Instead of an artifact which has a definite and carefully deliberated form and essence, beginning and end tied to some particular time and place, think games more like living organisms. Each with their unique life cycle. It's not ever "completed" or "finished", at some point it'll just drop dead and that's that (in Anthem's case probably sooner rather than later, but that's not here or there). Whether that happens in a larva stage, or if it ever metamorphoses into a butterfly depends how much shekels its being fed (surely you people are not so poor, that you couldn't afford lowly 10 $ on monthly cosmetics). All is for the best in the best of all possible worlds.
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Post by Sartoz on Feb 8, 2019 22:24:43 GMT
Big Snip Do any of you actually understand the words you use on a day to day basis, or is every bit of your vocabulary learnt to the degree of a pirate's parrot?
Oh, my.
EA understands very well how to use words to stretch the truth about their products.
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Post by PapaCharlie9 on Feb 8, 2019 22:55:03 GMT
saandrig I wasn't talking about the map. I was talking about the forced public play. Surely it's not difficult to change the code to the one for missions? This distinction between private missions and public free roam makes NO sense whatsoever. I’m going to try it anyway and see how it goes. Since I won’t be tethered to the other pubs in Free Play and since the map is big, maybe I’ll never see them? It wasn’t a problem in Destiny. I minded my own business and they minded there’s. It felt like playing solo, until I didn’t want it to ( world event ), and then it was actually pretty fun to ad hoc team up. If Anthem Free Play is even a little like that, it will work for me. Note this was with no headset and no text chat. So that helped too.
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Post by ahglock on Feb 8, 2019 23:09:22 GMT
Being able to set Freeplay to Private would also mean you could play around in Freeplay while waiting for your friends, then invite them to your Freeplay session when they are done Fort Tarsis'ing and you wouldn't have to end Freeplay, watch a victory screen plus a load screen, then do some forge stuff (loadscreen!) to check your loot, dismantle loot then get back in your Javelin and then go to Freeplay again (loadscreen!). That constant pulling you out of the gameplay mode to go back to Tarsis coupled with all the loadscreens involved is going to get really aggravating. Don’t go thinking again, that only leads to the dark side.
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Post by Terminator Force on Feb 9, 2019 1:03:33 GMT
Being able to set Freeplay to Private would also mean you could play around in Freeplay while waiting for your friends, then invite them to your Freeplay session when they are done Fort Tarsis'ing and you wouldn't have to end Freeplay, watch a victory screen plus a load screen, then do some forge stuff (loadscreen!) to check your loot, dismantle loot then get back in your Javelin and then go to Freeplay again (loadscreen!). That constant pulling you out of the gameplay mode to go back to Tarsis coupled with all the loadscreens involved is going to get really aggravating. Don’t go thinking again, that only leads to the dark side. This is the right thread for it. No me though, took the paragon route to the light side.
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Post by slimgrin727 on Feb 9, 2019 1:29:08 GMT
My personal opinion is the two demos were basically a beta test. They aren't meant to be representative.
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Post by Terminator Force on Feb 9, 2019 1:46:38 GMT
My personal opinion is the two demos were basically a beta test. They aren't meant to be representative. Of course, all the more reason to be merrier in anticipation of full game.
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Post by Space Cowboy on Feb 9, 2019 11:02:36 GMT
My personal opinion is the two demos were basically a beta test. They aren't meant to be representative. As others have pointed out, this can’t have been a beta test. I can see why people would think that. But you don’t beta test a side branch demo that you are throwing away after they are complete. You beta test the final game that will go to release. That said, I suppose it could have been s server beta test, not the actual game beta.
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Post by majesticjazz on Feb 9, 2019 11:22:27 GMT
My personal opinion is the two demos were basically a beta test. They aren't meant to be representative. Of course, all the more reason to be merrier in anticipation of full game. You missed the point. It was labled and marketed as DEMO but yet acted like a BETA. Demo = Representative of the the final product and in many cases....IS the final product....just condensed. Beta = NOT representative of the final product. Meant to tesd/stress certain systems. Conclusion = Either A, EA lied about it being a bets in a marketing attempt to show players that they are confident in the product by calling it a demo Or B, it was a demo and was representative of the final product. Which one is it folks?
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