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Post by Terminator Force on Feb 10, 2019 21:46:58 GMT
Strawman. Was talking about Andromeda multiplayer and replay value in gameplay. Replay value is superior Witcher III given that I can name half a dozen quest chains that just change completely based off player input. Also Andromeda just made a class switch system, so in reality once you've tried them all you stick to your favorite save when facing bullet sponges which requires you to switch over to the class that has the ability to strip shields or armor or whatever so I'd say gameplay based reply value is minor at best. So strawman that homie. Not my fault your bar fell out from under you. Another strawman. Was talking multiplayer not single player.
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Post by cloud9 on Feb 10, 2019 22:25:23 GMT
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Post by majesticjazz on Feb 10, 2019 22:42:09 GMT
That’s story not gameplay. In gameplay even me1 beat the Witcher 3. Lol...wut? TW3 is one of the highest fan rated games of all time. Anyway, the fact EA just released another looter shooter this close to Anthem's release....doesn't everyone see the writing on the wall here? They did the exact same thing with Titanfall. Now this could be the peanut counters overreacting, but to me it shows a lack of confidence in the product. However, we know these kinds of games have a long grace period to improve and attract gamers. Look at Destiny, the Division etc. Games that had lackluster launches but gathered steam over time. This is kinda what I expect with Anthem, provided Bioware is savvy enough to know what it needs to improve. They also needed to show investors after the bad previous qtr that they have a solid product going forward that will be highly profitable....that product was not Anthem but Apex Legends
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Post by acehilator on Feb 10, 2019 22:57:13 GMT
Very good, lol. He really went there... JAVELINES
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Post by ahglock on Feb 10, 2019 23:06:52 GMT
That’s story not gameplay. In gameplay even me1 beat the Witcher 3. Lol...wut? TW3 is one of the highest fan rated games of all time. ; And? That doesn’t improve the crap controls and combat system. People loved it despite the bad gameplay. It’s loved due to the story, characters, interesting rpg builds, deeper consequences substantial content, great open world design etc. And as much as people talk about biodrones them bring “independent” DRM free gets them fan bonus points that have nothing to do with the game. ME1 was and is loved and it’s combat system is ass and the mako on controller is horrific.
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Post by maximusarael020 on Feb 10, 2019 23:29:47 GMT
Lol...wut? TW3 is one of the highest fan rated games of all time. Anyway, the fact EA just released another looter shooter this close to Anthem's release....doesn't everyone see the writing on the wall here? They did the exact same thing with Titanfall. Now this could be the peanut counters overreacting, but to me it shows a lack of confidence in the product. However, we know these kinds of games have a long grace period to improve and attract gamers. Look at Destiny, the Division etc. Games that had lackluster launches but gathered steam over time. This is kinda what I expect with Anthem, provided Bioware is savvy enough to know what it needs to improve. They also needed to show investors after the bad previous qtr that they have a solid product going forward that will be highly profitable....that product was not Anthem but Apex Legends Or maybe to show that the people could still be excited about a game with lootboxes and microtransactions after the BF2 debacle. Which Apex did in spades, from what I've seen.
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Post by majesticjazz on Feb 10, 2019 23:57:55 GMT
They also needed to show investors after the bad previous qtr that they have a solid product going forward that will be highly profitable....that product was not Anthem but Apex Legends Or maybe to show that the people could still be excited about a game with lootboxes and microtransactions after the BF2 debacle. Which Apex did in spades, from what I've seen. We would never know.... But it does seem odd that they would release it so close to Anthem, especially if Anthem was supposed to be the sugar daddy for EA this quarter and for the foreseeable future in the looter shooter genre.
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Post by slimgrin727 on Feb 11, 2019 0:03:22 GMT
Lol...wut? TW3 is one of the highest fan rated games of all time. ; And? That doesn’t improve the crap controls and combat system. People loved it despite the bad gameplay. It’s loved due to the story, characters, interesting rpg builds, deeper consequences substantial content, great open world design etc. And as much as people talk about biodrones them bring “independent” DRM free gets them fan bonus points that have nothing to do with the game. ME1 was and is loved and it’s combat system is ass and the mako on controller is horrific. store.steampowered.com/app/292030/The_Witcher_3_Wild_Hunt/Dude, I'm sorry but...https://store.steampowered.com/app/292030/The_Witcher_3_Wild_Hunt/ Dunno what to tell you?
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Post by maximusarael020 on Feb 11, 2019 0:09:08 GMT
Or maybe to show that the people could still be excited about a game with lootboxes and microtransactions after the BF2 debacle. Which Apex did in spades, from what I've seen. We would never know.... But it does seem odd that they would release it so close to Anthem, especially if Anthem was supposed to be the sugar daddy for EA this quarter and for the foreseeable future in the looter shooter genre. Maybe. I don't think they've quite "Titfall 2'd" themselves here, as Apex Legends is Free to Play. There's competition for time, sure, but not really money in this regard (unless people are spending more on the lootboxes than I would think). I know there are a few people who have said they have canceled their Anthem pre-order because they are enjoying Apex so much, but I don't really see any indication that that is a widespread phenomenon. If it was a paid-for game I would say you are right, but being Free to Play, and really only having the one mode currently, I don't really see it as that big of an issue. People are going to gravitate toward one or the other of these games from the get-go, I would say, but that's really more of a conversation for the "Is Apex an Anthem Competitor" thread. At any rate, I'd say their release timing of Titanfall 2 was one of the most idiotic things I've seen in gaming, and the timing of Apex Legends does not remind me of that at all, as they are very different games, even down to their price.
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Post by ahglock on Feb 11, 2019 2:15:14 GMT
And? That doesn’t improve the crap controls and combat system. People loved it despite the bad gameplay. It’s loved due to the story, characters, interesting rpg builds, deeper consequences substantial content, great open world design etc. And as much as people talk about biodrones them bring “independent” DRM free gets them fan bonus points that have nothing to do with the game. ME1 was and is loved and it’s combat system is ass and the mako on controller is horrific. store.steampowered.com/app/292030/The_Witcher_3_Wild_Hunt/Dude, I'm sorry but...https://store.steampowered.com/app/292030/The_Witcher_3_Wild_Hunt/ Dunno what to tell you? Yeah, I have it. The combat is awkward, it is not smooth or reactive. A game can overall be awesome and still have failings.
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Post by river82 on Feb 11, 2019 2:19:42 GMT
If you go from the Witcher 3 to something like ... Horizon Zero Dawn, then head back to the Witcher 3, the combat is incredibly underwhelming. Great game, but not every part is great.
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Post by PapaCharlie9 on Feb 11, 2019 2:24:56 GMT
Anyway, the fact EA just released another looter shooter this close to Anthem's release....doesn't everyone see the writing on the wall here? If you are talking about Apex Legends, that's a battle royale MP game, not a loot shooter. It's meant to compete with Fortnite. Different markets.
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Post by monkeylungs on Feb 11, 2019 2:28:14 GMT
Misrepresenting. The claim was demo 'representative' of final build, obviously not final build. And if demo is not representative of final build, then my assertion would be enough held back for the final build to impress more. And at this late in the game, those changes will not be in by next week but weeks after....thus the final product remains the same.
I just want to build off of this point ... we are about to find out if those fixes made it into final build. Also we are about to see how the final build reacts to being played in a live setting. So far the general chorus of Anthem is, (choir voices:) "Fixed in the final build! Demo is not final product! Not at launch but coming very soon!"
Even if the build that is being played in secret is somehow so much better, it still isn't being played on Xbox Live, and Playstation Plus, and people's home computers with all the different network configurations.
They probably didn't know about all the problems the demo had because they have been testing everything on closed networks on specialized equipment, just like they were doing with the release build.
The game had to be ready to go for manufacturing quite a while ago so any fixes are most likely coming with the day 1 patch. They are probably already at work on the next patch, then are going to have to adjust and react to release for whatever happens after that.
If the launch is even remotely smooth I will be pleasantly amazed.
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Post by slimgrin727 on Feb 11, 2019 2:32:35 GMT
If you go from the Witcher 3 to something like ... Horizon Zero Dawn, then head back to the Witcher 3, the combat is incredibly underwhelming. Great game, but not every part is great. I'm just not sure where one of the most critically acclaimed title of all time doesn't jive with you? It's klnda weird. www.metacritic.com/game/playstation-4/the-witcher-3-wild-hunt
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Post by river82 on Feb 11, 2019 2:39:16 GMT
If you go from the Witcher 3 to something like ... Horizon Zero Dawn, then head back to the Witcher 3, the combat is incredibly underwhelming. Great game, but not every part is great. I'm just not sure where one of the most critically acclaimed title of all time doesn't jive with you? It's klnda weird. www.metacritic.com/game/playstation-4/the-witcher-3-wild-hunt Great does not mean perfect *shrugs*
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Post by ahglock on Feb 11, 2019 2:47:12 GMT
If you go from the Witcher 3 to something like ... Horizon Zero Dawn, then head back to the Witcher 3, the combat is incredibly underwhelming. Great game, but not every part is great. I'm just not sure where one of the most critically acclaimed title of all time doesn't jive with you? It's klnda weird. www.metacritic.com/game/playstation-4/the-witcher-3-wild-hunt So was ME2 and it has flaws a plenty. Game-play wise it was a worse version than the gears of war that came out roughly the same time with magic added in. Overly linear missions, pop up a fight is going to happen here cover etc. A game can have flaws and still be freaking awesome.
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Post by clips7 on Feb 11, 2019 2:51:08 GMT
Very good, lol. He really went there... JAVELINES Haha...i never realized how truly similar these games are until this vid....all the way down to the similar power sets,..lol they went in hard on Anthem.. ....Anthem is still a bit more polished overall and i was impressed with how well that Ranger looked at 2:42... ...i believe. But Anthem is going against Destiny and Warframe, but while Anthem is a bit more refined, Warframe is free.....i still think Bioware has the overall larger fanbase and support tho. I might get Anthem, but this will be waaaay down the line since you need to subscribe to Xbox live or the Playstation Network....which i don't plan on joining just to play an online game...so maybe never lol.....Anthem, Destiny and Warframe are just not my types of games...
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Post by clips7 on Feb 11, 2019 3:02:57 GMT
Lol...wut? TW3 is one of the highest fan rated games of all time. Anyway, the fact EA just released another looter shooter this close to Anthem's release....doesn't everyone see the writing on the wall here? They did the exact same thing with Titanfall. Now this could be the peanut counters overreacting, but to me it shows a lack of confidence in the product. However, we know these kinds of games have a long grace period to improve and attract gamers. Look at Destiny, the Division etc. Games that had lackluster launches but gathered steam over time. This is kinda what I expect with Anthem, provided Bioware is savvy enough to know what it needs to improve. They also needed to show investors after the bad previous qtr that they have a solid product going forward that will be highly profitable....that product was not Anthem but Apex Legends Yeah it feels like a bit more pressure is applied to Anthem after the early success stories of Apex Legends....if i had to choose tho?....Anthem for me (3rd person)...not into 1st person games....but this could be the case of having the best of both worlds...Apex for the 1st person crowd and Anthem for the 3rd person crowd, but this is EA we are talking about and i was never one of those cats that always hated on EA, but just following their history of how they basically destroyed great developers, (Viscera was it for me...how the f**k can you get rid of Dead Space?)....i think EA will gravitize to any game that is making money for them and restore their investors faith in them. If EA was more practical and a more grounded company i can see them actually balancing out and supporting both platforms, but with the way the company makes moves, i just feel like Bioware is nervously laughing in the meeting rooms whenever the higher ups make a joke or are just talking about the business overall...in other words if Anthem doesn't meet their financial commitments, i see them on the chopping block ( i hope not tho).....Anthem may not be the game for me, but it does have high production values and nice art direction/visuals....
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Post by PapaCharlie9 on Feb 11, 2019 3:04:08 GMT
Great does not mean perfect *shrugs* I honor your courage for speaking what amounts to heresy in this day and age. FWIW, I actually liked the combat in TW3, but (heresy), I liked the combat in TW2 even better, as well as the way the skill tree and mutagens were handled in TW2. (Goes back to cave to hide from TW3 Inquisition).
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Post by Space Cowboy on Feb 11, 2019 3:20:35 GMT
I own TW3 but haven't played it much. Same feeling about the combat, but I can live with that by setting it to easy and breezing through it
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Post by Deleted on Feb 11, 2019 3:24:10 GMT
monkeylungs … I think it's wise to skeptical of things BioWare has said.
Aaron Flynn said a lot of things that were not true, wrt Andromeda. I hold him accountable for most of what went wrong … because he was the boss ... yet he did not bite the bullet when he should have and pull the plug on procedural generated worlds … until it was too late. When he finally did, the reboot of the game left them darn little time to hand craft the worlds we could visit. Lots of issues with animations, graphics … things that should have been polished, but were not … suffered because their devs were working on things that should have been done much sooner. There were other issues, with his leadership, with game development and "things" at BioWare Montreal, but that's a discussion for a different thread.
Fast forward to now … I think a lot of the bugs they've talked about have been fixed … they've been specific about some of the things they patched. I'm more trusting of those statements. The more nebulous statements about many, many bug fixes … I take those comments with a rather large grain of salt. There will be a patch for 15 Feb, there will be another patch for 22 Feb, they've already announced that. I guess we'll learn then what "many, many bug fixes" means, in terms of game play.
A lot of folks on BSN are not interested in MP. Some might play Anthem if it turns out that the story is good. But I expect the majority of folks who play Anthem will be those that are SP folks that are fine with co-op MP … and co-op MP folks who don't much care about the SP aspect and/or dislike PvP.
Bottom line, I hope to find that Anthem has a story worth discovering. I hope the content is compelling and pulls me in. But I won't know, until I start playing the game. Until then, I will remain cautiously hopeful, but skeptical of the game at launch.
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Post by maximusarael020 on Feb 11, 2019 4:19:53 GMT
If you go from the Witcher 3 to something like ... Horizon Zero Dawn, then head back to the Witcher 3, the combat is incredibly underwhelming. Great game, but not every part is great. I'm just not sure where one of the most critically acclaimed title of all time doesn't jive with you? It's klnda weird. www.metacritic.com/game/playstation-4/the-witcher-3-wild-hunt . Different strokes for different folks, amirite? Heck, some people don't like Harry Potter. Jim Sterling (I think) wasn't crazy for Breath of the Wild. I'd never criticise someone because they didn't like something I did.
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Post by ahglock on Feb 11, 2019 4:30:10 GMT
Great does not mean perfect *shrugs* I honor your courage for speaking what amounts to heresy in this day and age. FWIW, I actually liked the combat in TW3, but (heresy), I liked the combat in TW2 even better, as well as the way the skill tree and mutagens were handled in TW2. (Goes back to cave to hide from TW3 Inquisition). Only thing I remember form Witcher 2 was I think the opening cinematic with the wizard on the ship and a frost spell or potion freezing everyone solid. I was like, can i play him? TW3 i liked the combat a bit more than that because it felt like I was controlling my actions more as opposed to just picking a stlye. But I want more active control, each swing, parry etc. The withcer franchise feels like it auto controls too much of that to varying degrees depending on which one. I bought all 3, never beat any of them. I waited until they were on sale so i got my monies worth by the time I got bored.
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Post by Terminator Force on Feb 11, 2019 9:42:26 GMT
If you go from the Witcher 3 to something like ... Horizon Zero Dawn, then head back to the Witcher 3, the combat is incredibly underwhelming. Great game, but not every part is great. I'm just not sure where one of the most critically acclaimed title of all time doesn't jive with you? It's klnda weird. www.metacritic.com/game/playstation-4/the-witcher-3-wild-hunt Appeal to consequences is not a valid argument.
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Post by Terminator Force on Feb 11, 2019 10:07:38 GMT
A lot of folks on BSN are not interested in MP. Some might play Anthem if it turns out that the story is good. But I expect the majority of folks who play Anthem will be those that are SP folks that are fine with co-op MP … and co-op MP folks who don't much care about the SP aspect and/or dislike PvP.
As stated before, this seems to be the crux of the matter being obfuscated. Anthem; gameplay focused, light on story. Witcher III; story focused, afterthought tacked on gameplay. Why it's no surprise Witcher III fans are Anthem detractors.
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