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Post by maximusarael020 on Feb 12, 2019 14:36:39 GMT
If your game is free-to-play, then by all means, fill it to the brim with microtransactions. If it has a 60$ pricetag, son... you may want to cut down the microtransactions a little. Apex Legends is proving a lot of stuff it seems. I think GTA5 online would have something to say about that.
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Post by biggydx on Feb 12, 2019 15:24:46 GMT
ME3mp is my most played videogame of all time by a longshot (more then ME Trilogy) at around 4000 hours. From what I've gathered, ME3mp only exists because of EA and it's lootbox system. Nah, it exists because a bright spark of enlightenment enkindled the team and made them create one jewel of MP to capture that spark forever. Aww
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Post by cankiie on Feb 12, 2019 18:14:05 GMT
Regardless. EA have had Apex Legends released recently. And considering it's popularity the easy conclusion to be made would be: Keep a free-to-play game economy restricted to free-to-play games. If your game is free-to-play, then by all means, fill it to the brim with microtransactions. If it has a 60$ pricetag, son... you may want to cut down the microtransactions a little. Apex Legends is proving a lot of stuff it seems. All that conclusion tells me, is they'll start making every game "F2P" so they can keep putting MTXs in all of their products, rather than just some of them. Companies must know more than we do though. Because it seems everyone and their grandmother already knew that free-to-play games with a free-to-play game market were already far more profitable.
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Post by cankiie on Feb 12, 2019 18:17:24 GMT
If your game is free-to-play, then by all means, fill it to the brim with microtransactions. If it has a 60$ pricetag, son... you may want to cut down the microtransactions a little. Apex Legends is proving a lot of stuff it seems. I think GTA5 online would have something to say about that. Oh yeah, that one exists. I suppose Rockstar do have a much better reputation. Just shows what can happen if you as a publisher begin taking it all too far.
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Post by dropzofcrimzon on Feb 12, 2019 18:26:07 GMT
The difference is that in this case even the way the devs labelled items and services in the game shows you that this was done with malice and trying to bore people into spending more. Also, I am a fan of the free market. If enough backlash is leveled at EA and they lose enough money (and they lost A LOT lately) they will pull back Hence my hope for Anthem to fail miserably, publicly and undeniably with no way to board members to spin it. Why not hope they get it right? because if they fail the project will be shut down. EA only understand the language of $$$. Ok let me clarify. It needs to fail to carry the message that Open world looter shooter with light story, no real bioware core rpg mechanics and traditional features on top of a full price tag and MTXs and deceitful marketing is NOT acceptable from Bioware, get another freaking company to do it. If that happens Bioware goes back to making Mass Effect and DA. If, otherwise, anthem succeeds then Anthem is Bioware's future, almost exclusively. Mark my words.
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Post by dropzofcrimzon on Feb 12, 2019 18:31:26 GMT
Why not hope they get it right? Because EA, is the answer you will get. But I simply cannot understand why any gamer who is pro-consumer would wish this game to fail frankly. All content updates are free. mtxs only for cosmetic items, all of which can still be earned with Coin. Literally the only thing you have to pay for is the game, and if your on console PS Pluse or Xbox Live. Given how bad the AAA business model has been, in my humble opinion this game needs to be supported, regardless of weather or not it ends up actually being good. Because if this game crashes and burns, all thats gonna say to EA is "Welp, we tried giving you content for free, you didn't support it so WEEE we're gonna go back to charging you for every little thing!" which will cause more backlash, lower sales more stock drops and POOF...maybe at that point they learn...or, unable to adapt, they DIE and smarter, more pro consumer companies take their place. Hell even if Bioware is shut down, as sad as I'll be, their talent will be picked up elsewhere. Im hoping Microsoft might do with them what they did for obsidian and team ninja
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Post by maximusarael020 on Feb 12, 2019 18:37:43 GMT
Why not hope they get it right? because if they fail the project will be shut down. EA only understand the language of $$$. Ok let me clarify. It needs to fail to carry the message that Open world looter shooter with light story, no real bioware core rpg mechanics and traditional features on top of a full price tag and MTXs and deceitful marketing is NOT acceptable from Bioware, get another freaking company to do it. If that happens Bioware goes back to making Mass Effect and DA. If, otherwise, anthem succeeds then Anthem is Bioware's future, almost exclusively. Mark my words. Pssshhh, yeah right. Do you honestly believe that after the outrage due to the Mass Effect 3 endings, the fairly luke-warm reception of DAI, and the even more tepid reaction of Mass Effect Andromeda, that if Anthem fails miserably EA would just be happy to say "Oh well, no biggie! Here's $300 million. Go spend 6 years making Mass Effect 4."???? That's some of the most optimistic thinking I have ever seen. If Anthem fails, DA4 better hit it out of the park with Game of All Time 10 million sold in the first 3 weeks because if not, Bioware won't be funded well enough to make anything you want to play. EA would take as many resources away from them as possible and set them to making Mass Effect Candy Crush.
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Post by dropzofcrimzon on Feb 12, 2019 18:45:33 GMT
because if they fail the project will be shut down. EA only understand the language of $$$. Ok let me clarify. It needs to fail to carry the message that Open world looter shooter with light story, no real bioware core rpg mechanics and traditional features on top of a full price tag and MTXs and deceitful marketing is NOT acceptable from Bioware, get another freaking company to do it. If that happens Bioware goes back to making Mass Effect and DA. If, otherwise, anthem succeeds then Anthem is Bioware's future, almost exclusively. Mark my words. Pssshhh, yeah right. Do you honestly believe that after the outrage due to the Mass Effect 3 endings, the fairly luke-warm reception of DAI, and the even more tepid reaction of Mass Effect Andromeda, that if Anthem fails miserably EA would just be happy to say "Oh well, no biggie! Here's $300 million. Go spend 6 years making Mass Effect 4."???? That's some of the most optimistic thinking I have ever seen. If Anthem fails, DA4 better hit it out of the park with Game of All Time 10 million sold in the first 3 weeks because if not, Bioware won't be funded well enough to make anything you want to play. EA would take as many resources away from them as possible and set them to making Mass Effect Candy Crush. I kinda answered that in my next post
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Post by Terminator Force on Feb 12, 2019 18:51:22 GMT
Why not hope they get it right? because if they fail the project will be shut down. EA only understand the language of $$$. Ok let me clarify. It needs to fail to carry the message that Open world looter shooter with light story, no real bioware core rpg mechanics and traditional features on top of a full price tag and MTXs and deceitful marketing is NOT acceptable from Bioware, get another freaking company to do it. If that happens Bioware goes back to making Mass Effect and DA. If, otherwise, anthem succeeds then Anthem is Bioware's future, almost exclusively. Mark my words. Oh, so because you don't like the game BioWare and EA should fail, I see.
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Post by dropzofcrimzon on Feb 12, 2019 19:00:25 GMT
because if they fail the project will be shut down. EA only understand the language of $$$. Ok let me clarify. It needs to fail to carry the message that Open world looter shooter with light story, no real bioware core rpg mechanics and traditional features on top of a full price tag and MTXs and deceitful marketing is NOT acceptable from Bioware, get another freaking company to do it. If that happens Bioware goes back to making Mass Effect and DA. If, otherwise, anthem succeeds then Anthem is Bioware's future, almost exclusively. Mark my words. Oh, so because you don't like the game BioWare and EA should fail, I see. if it was JUST the game? Say...Bioware came out of the gate and said "guys this a destiny clone, it is NOT a proper Bioware game and it will NOT feel like one but we ARE still working on Mass Effect and no it is not be worked on be the scrubs we gave Andromeda to, here's a trailer" I would have wished them well and not bought the game because it is not my cup of tea. But it is more than that. The marketing was deceitful to try to reel in the core fanbase, it is a full price game with mtx and a fuckton of gring without even a proper solo play (but I cant blame them for it, it IS a destiny clone) it costed us Mass Effect (I could care less who made the choice) and is it succeeds that is the only real project Bioware will likely work on for the foreseeable future. Thus...I want a fallout 76 level of failure
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Post by samhain444 on Feb 12, 2019 19:04:54 GMT
because if they fail the project will be shut down. EA only understand the language of $$$. Ok let me clarify. It needs to fail to carry the message that Open world looter shooter with light story, no real bioware core rpg mechanics and traditional features on top of a full price tag and MTXs and deceitful marketing is NOT acceptable from Bioware, get another freaking company to do it. If that happens Bioware goes back to making Mass Effect and DA. If, otherwise, anthem succeeds then Anthem is Bioware's future, almost exclusively. Mark my words. Oh, so because you don't like the game BioWare and EA should fail, I see. Some people here are under the misguided assumption that, if "Anthem" succeeds", every BioWare game after that will be an "Anthem" clone...so, you know, "Anthem" HAS to fail or else the BioWare we know and love will be dead for the 7th ti-, wait, was it 7th time(?)...maybe it was 8...yeah, the BioWare we know and love will be dead for the 8th time.
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Post by Terminator Force on Feb 12, 2019 19:28:17 GMT
Oh, so because you don't like the game BioWare and EA should fail, I see. if it was JUST the game? Say...Bioware came out of the gate and said "guys this a destiny clone, it is NOT a proper Bioware game and it will NOT feel like one but we ARE still working on Mass Effect and no it is not be worked on be the scrubs we gave Andromeda to, here's a trailer" I would have wished them well and not bought the game because it is not my cup of tea. But it is more than that. The marketing was deceitful to try to reel in the core fanbase, it is a full price game with mtx and a fuckton of gring without even a proper solo play (but I cant blame them for it, it IS a destiny clone) it costed us Mass Effect (I could care less who made the choice) and is it succeeds that is the only real project Bioware will likely work on for the foreseeable future. Thus...I want a fallout 76 level of failure Well if it's any consolation, Casey Hudson did mention interest in continuing his baby the Mass Effect intellectual property.
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Post by dropzofcrimzon on Feb 12, 2019 20:02:29 GMT
if it was JUST the game? Say...Bioware came out of the gate and said "guys this a destiny clone, it is NOT a proper Bioware game and it will NOT feel like one but we ARE still working on Mass Effect and no it is not be worked on be the scrubs we gave Andromeda to, here's a trailer" I would have wished them well and not bought the game because it is not my cup of tea. But it is more than that. The marketing was deceitful to try to reel in the core fanbase, it is a full price game with mtx and a fuckton of gring without even a proper solo play (but I cant blame them for it, it IS a destiny clone) it costed us Mass Effect (I could care less who made the choice) and is it succeeds that is the only real project Bioware will likely work on for the foreseeable future. Thus...I want a fallout 76 level of failure Well if it's any consolation, Casey Hudson did mention interest in continuing his baby the Mass Effect intellectual property. he also said he was not gonna pull a lost with Mass Effect 3, he said he would not sell us a protean dlc AND that he was not pulling a pandorum for MEA Yeah I trust him as far as I can throw him
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Post by Terminator Force on Feb 12, 2019 20:26:11 GMT
Well if it's any consolation, Casey Hudson did mention interest in continuing his baby the Mass Effect intellectual property. he also said he was not gonna pull a lost with Mass Effect 3, he said he would not sell us a protean dlc AND that he was not pulling a pandorum for MEA Yeah I trust him as far as I can throw him What about the time he said "Let there be Mass Effect." And there was Mass Effect.
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Post by dropzofcrimzon on Feb 12, 2019 20:29:10 GMT
he also said he was not gonna pull a lost with Mass Effect 3, he said he would not sell us a protean dlc AND that he was not pulling a pandorum for MEA Yeah I trust him as far as I can throw him What about the time he said "Let there be Mass Effect." And there was Mass Effect. Lucifer was once God's favorite angel...he fell.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 12, 2019 20:43:13 GMT
Maybe, unlike Lucifer, Casey found redemption.
People change, people can grow, they can also become shriveled and bitter.
It also might be different when he's the boss. For better or worse …
I understand "once burned, twice shy" … I guess time will tell wrt Casey Hudson.
A cat jumps on a hot stove and gets burned, jumps off the hot stove, won't jump back onto that stove, hot or cold.
So it depends, did Casey learn any lessons? Did he learn the right lessons? Did we?
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Post by dropzofcrimzon on Feb 12, 2019 20:46:40 GMT
Maybe, unlike Lucifer, Casey found redemption. People change, people can grow, they can also become shriveled and bitter. It also might be different when he's the boss. For better or worse … I understand "once burned, twice shy" … I guess time will tell wrt Casey Hudson. A cat jumps on a hot stove and gets burned, jumps off the hot stove, won't jump back onto that stove, hot or cold. So it depends, did Casey learn any lessons? Did he learn the right lessons? Did we? we will know for sure only after Anthem
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Post by Terminator Force on Feb 12, 2019 20:47:03 GMT
What about the time he said "Let there be Mass Effect." And there was Mass Effect. Lucifer was once God's favorite angel...he fell. But Lucifer was no daddy. "What father among you, if his son asks for a fish, will instead of a fish give him a serpent; 12 or if he asks for an egg, will give him a scorpion? 13 If you then, who are evil, know how to give good gifts to your children, how much more will the heavenly Father give the Holy Spirit to those who ask him!"
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Post by AnDromedary on Feb 12, 2019 20:48:57 GMT
So, after having played the Division 2 beta, one of my skepticism about Anthem is how well it will compete against that. Structurally, the games are very similar, both are gear focused third person looter shooters with a relatively large but not exactly super huge open world, which try to tell a compelling story. One has a more "realistic" scenario, while the other ahs more of a scifi-fantasy vibe but if you don't massively prefer one of those settings over another, I'd say competition barely gets more direct than this. I got Anthem with my graphics card, so I am no longer in the market here but having played both the Anthem VIP Demo and the Division 2 Beta, I gotta say, if I had to choose, I'd pick TD2. And I am saying this being much more of a BioWare fan than a Ubisoft fan. One of the main reasons is that the TD2 beta felt so much more polished and technically rounded than the Anthem Demo (so maybe the designations Beta vs. Demo should have been reversed ). This goes through everything, from big stuff like disconnects/load screen freezes to small things like the crispness of controls, balancing, world and NPC reactivity and such. TD2 just feels like a much more polished product at this point. World design is a strength of both games, I'd say but while I did like the lush flora and partially surreal setting of Anthem, the believability, the attention to detail and feeling of realism in Washington DC absolutely blew me away. Also, in the TD2 Beta, we got to experience real endgame content, which was challenging and fun (IMO of course), something we didn't really get to experience in the Anthem Demo, yes, we had one stronghold but we only got to play it with the relatively low level Javelins, so how exactly the end game will feel is still somewhat tough to say. Even the story presentation felt better in the Ubisoft game to me, as compared to a BioWare game, where I found most dialogues forced and somewhat weird at times. TD2 also doesn't have that weird disconnect between "two worlds" that I felt Anthem had between Tarsis and the outside. That story presentation in a Ubi game feels better than in a BioWare game is really shocking to me. Of course, Ubi had years by now to perfect their formula throughout that time with The Division 1 and we all know that TD1 was very very far from perfect at it's initial launch. But right now, we have to compare what'll be on the marked within the next 2 months and I am sorry to say that, if you don't have a preference in setting, Anthem - at least from what we've seen in the trial versions so far - cannot really hold a candle to The Division 2 IMO.
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Post by dropzofcrimzon on Feb 12, 2019 21:13:41 GMT
Lucifer was once God's favorite angel...he fell. But Lucifer was no daddy. "What father among you, if his son asks for a fish, will instead of a fish give him a serpent; 12 or if he asks for an egg, will give him a scorpion? 13 If you then, who are evil, know how to give good gifts to your children, how much more will the heavenly Father give the Holy Spirit to those who ask him!" neither is casey
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Post by Terminator Force on Feb 12, 2019 21:25:02 GMT
But Lucifer was no daddy. "What father among you, if his son asks for a fish, will instead of a fish give him a serpent; 12 or if he asks for an egg, will give him a scorpion? 13 If you then, who are evil, know how to give good gifts to your children, how much more will the heavenly Father give the Holy Spirit to those who ask him!" neither is casey Mass Effect is his baby.
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Post by dropzofcrimzon on Feb 12, 2019 21:27:50 GMT
then you should call child protective services
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Post by Terminator Force on Feb 12, 2019 21:32:56 GMT
then you should call child protective services Like the fans called Disney on George Lucas? Ah yes, much weeping and gnashing of teeth from the Star Wars fans these days. Begging the father to return.
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Post by dropzofcrimzon on Feb 12, 2019 21:46:47 GMT
then you should call child protective services Like the fans called Disney on George Lucas? Ah yes, much weeping and gnashing of teeth from the Star Wars fans these days. Begging the father to return. oh I called the downfall of disney long time ago when it came to star wars.
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Post by saandrig on Feb 12, 2019 21:57:08 GMT
That story presentation in a Ubi game feels better than in a BioWare game is really shocking to me. Ubi were hit and miss during the years in the story department. They do learn and seem to listen.
They never really dabbled in the Bioware type of RPG games, but that starts to change. AC Odyssey was a decent first step and if they build on that, well, we may get something really good down the line. They do need to cut down on the "cheese" in the story and dialogue. I enjoy it, but it does get a bit too much at times.
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