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Post by Kymira on Feb 1, 2018 18:45:35 GMT
I would be weary when it comes to Pillars 2, since Obsidian has a history of being anti-romance across the board, regardless of orientation*. On several occasions Josh Sawyer has said that he found most romance sub plots in video games boring. Chris Avellone hates them with a passion, and is only interested in them if they end in tragedy. Yes, he's no longer with Obsidian as of this writing, but his legacy casts a long shadow at the company. Time will tell if Deadfire's romances are genuine attempts for artistic growth, or token fan service.
*The romances in Alpha Protocol struck me as James Bondian flings, and the DLC love scenes in Tyranny had more of a Friends With Benefits vibe.
I don't even think Deadfire has confirmed romances (though they've heavilly suggested it). Just that it would have a relationship meter, which Pillars 1 did not have. They're more or less confirmed. Josh had a post about it on his tumblr. Here.
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Post by Iakus on Feb 1, 2018 18:55:10 GMT
I don't even think Deadfire has confirmed romances (though they've heavilly suggested it). Just that it would have a relationship meter, which Pillars 1 did not have. They're more or less confirmed. Josh had a post about it on his tumblr. Here.Interesting. I'm not on tumblr so I didn't see this. Thanks.
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Post by alanc9 on Feb 1, 2018 19:22:25 GMT
I'm not sure that works without stretcing "romance drama" enough to cover just about any drama show. It's sort of like saying that Battlestar Galactica was a soap opera, which used to be quite a thing; if that's how we use the category, the category isn't all that useful. OTOH, I never watched much Supernatural or any VD. Romance was not the main focus of Battlestar Galactica. Shows like Reign, Vampire Diaries, Star-Crossed, The 100, Beauty and the beast revolve around it. Supernatural is one of the more unique shows on the CW in that it's about two brothers and isn't structured around couples and their affairs. But the vast majority of CW shows are most definately teen soaps. I don't follow your definition of "revolve around it" there Are you calling The 100 a soap?
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Post by Iakus on Feb 1, 2018 19:43:06 GMT
Dunno, stopped watching that channel a while ago. But CW generally latches onto the next big thing, and find a way to turn that into a romance drama. Before Superheroes got big all their shows revolved around the Supernatural and the romantic aspects of that like Vampire Diaries. I'm not sure that works without stretcing "romance drama" enough to cover just about any drama show. It's sort of like saying that Battlestar Galactica was a soap opera, which used to be quite a thing; if that's how we use the category, the category isn't all that useful. OTOH, I never watched much Supernatural or any VD. Actual scene from the show...
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Post by Nightscrawl on Feb 1, 2018 19:50:08 GMT
Actual scene from the show... On the one hand, I completely agree. On the other, the creators of the show are basically shitting on the fans with this, which is bad form, IMO. Just ignore that shit and move on. Whether you are against it, even going as far as making noise against it, it will continue to go on regardless of your approval.
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Post by vallixas on Feb 1, 2018 19:55:19 GMT
Romance was not the main focus of Battlestar Galactica. Shows like Reign, Vampire Diaries, Star-Crossed, The 100, Beauty and the beast revolve around it. Supernatural is one of the more unique shows on the CW in that it's about two brothers and isn't structured around couples and their affairs. But the vast majority of CW shows are most definately teen soaps. I don't follow your definition of "revolve around it" there Are you calling The 100 a soap? 100% it's post apocalyptic theme plays no hand in it not being one. It's filled with all the predictable love triangles, betrayals and unrequited love that VD has. Follows the same exact formula as any CW show. Octavia's entire arc revolves around loving and losing her bae and then going back to her usual angsty ungrateful attitude, fuck Octavia. Jasper's entire character revolved around liking Octavia, her cucking him for tribal bad boy, then him falling for shelter girl, her dying, him spending the rest of the show being depressed about it and fucking everything up for everyone else, good riddance to his character, the worst. Fuck me, the lead character briefly castrated the barbarians by boinking the leader, until she died, and of course Clarke is so distraught over loosing a girl she boinked a few times. Speaking of which who in the hell does Clarke really love. She stole Raven's man, and then killed him, has obvious feelings for Bellamy but stay screwing Barbarian girl, and store owner girl like ffs Clarke choose one, maybe she just can't stop boinking. However, with the latest season it seems that they're trying to get away from the soap opery style as noted by others. So we shall see where they take the next season. Actual scene from the show... On the one hand, I completely agree. On the other, the creators of the show are basically shitting on the fans with this, which is bad form, IMO. Just ignore that shit and move on. Whether you are against it, even going as far as making noise against it, it will continue to go on regardless of your approval. Honestly they should be trolled, and it should be made clear that these are just niche fetishes, the fans into incest are weird and creepy and only give ammo to the people who would deem homosexuals degenerate. Same with the subset of straight chasing people who do it so hard to the point of not respecting people's sexualities. Gives a bad name to us all and only adds on to problems.
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Post by warden on Feb 1, 2018 23:06:23 GMT
I would feel indifferent, or with an itch of murder knife her depending on the mood I awoke.
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Post by cmdrshep2183 on Feb 1, 2018 23:47:50 GMT
Didn't we already romance Cassandra? Cassandra is just fine but I would prefer a female LI with a more feminine hairstyle and personality while not being a stereotype. I am not asking for a Dragon Age Miranda with sexualized armor and ass shots.
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Post by naughtynomad on Feb 2, 2018 1:00:08 GMT
If BW doesnt start appealing to the average male gamer again, you can kiss the franchise goodbye. Dragon Age: Inquisition had the most successful launch in Bioware history and was extremely profitable for the company, even with, according to you, female LIs that don't appeal to the average straight male gamer. With the amount of high-profile female characters, characters of color, LGBT characters, DAI was the most inclusive game to date and did extremely well. They're doing just fine as they are. Look at ME3 and Andromeda... the combination of the fan's hatred of the original ME3 ending and a poorly executed launch of Andromeda killed the franchise. Just because the box sold a lot of copies doesn't mean the franchise will be successful. The fan's reactions are what are real indications, and when the forums erupted in flames over the companion love interests, negative memes started coming out, BioWare realized shutting down their forums would help their brand more than hurt it. I have no problem with inclusivity, but I will admit I was very disappointed with the choices I had as a straight male player. Josephine was my LI of choice in my canon playthroughs, but I had to download a beautification mod to enjoy it. And if any of you were around during the launch of the game, you will remember what the forums were like... Why do you think you STILL keep seeing threads about people complaining about this topic? It's clearly an issue to a lot of people who may or may not buy the game based on their enjoyment of it. BW would be fools to ignore them, and you are fools to dismiss them.
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Post by vertigomez on Feb 2, 2018 1:20:56 GMT
I have no problem with inclusivity, but I will admit I was very disappointed with the choices I had as a straight male player. What does inclusivity have to do with your choices as a straight male player? I was here, and then, as now, it seemed like a bunch of entitled teenagers going 'I CAN'T FAP TO THIS' over perfectly attractive women.
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Post by alanc9 on Feb 2, 2018 2:10:10 GMT
Dragon Age: Inquisition had the most successful launch in Bioware history and was extremely profitable for the company, even with, according to you, female LIs that don't appeal to the average straight male gamer. With the amount of high-profile female characters, characters of color, LGBT characters, DAI was the most inclusive game to date and did extremely well. They're doing just fine as they are. Look at ME3 and Andromeda... the combination of the fan's hatred of the original ME3 ending and a poorly executed launch of Andromeda killed the franchise. Just because the box sold a lot of copies doesn't mean the franchise will be successful. The fan's reactions are what are real indications, and when the forums erupted in flames over the companion love interests, negative memes started coming out, BioWare realized shutting down their forums would help their brand more than hurt it. I have no problem with inclusivity, but I will admit I was very disappointed with the choices I had as a straight male player. Josephine was my LI of choice in my canon playthroughs, but I had to download a beautification mod to enjoy it. And if any of you were around during the launch of the game, you will remember what the forums were like... Why do you think you STILL keep seeing threads about people complaining about this topic? It's clearly an issue to a lot of people who may or may not buy the game based on their enjoyment of it. BW would be fools to ignore them, and you are fools to dismiss them. You're not doing a great job at selling the existence of a crisis here. There are a lot of entitled douchebags around, sure, but enough to tank the game?
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Post by ComedicSociopathy on Feb 2, 2018 7:13:05 GMT
Yeah, I really, really want to be empathetic towards this concern, but it just feels kind of shallow to me.
Josephine and even Cassandra are quite feminine. I mean, Cassandra literally reads cheesy romance novels and is emotionally open with the Inquisitor once the romance happens. Josephine is practically a Disney princess.
Seems to me the main concern is that they didn't have long hair, which, fine if that's your kink or something, but it still seems kind of shallow. I liked Miranda's and Isabela's tits too, but I would have still liked those characters if there physical assets weren't so prominent.
But, hey, to each their own. I guess some people really need their T and A for a romance to be worth it. That's fine.
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Post by Gileadan on Feb 2, 2018 8:12:25 GMT
Eh, it depends on the circumstance, I suppose.
If she's some noble's daughter playing knight at some court, then why not.
If it's more like she's the one supermodel among a group of grizzled, scarred veterans, and of course she's single and looking for love and finds the protagonist sooo attractive... then maybe not. I like it when my warrior ladies look like warriors and ladies, you know, like Cassandra. Could have done without the cheesy novel, but then we also wouldn't have that awesome voice over during the credits...
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Post by cmdrshep2183 on Feb 2, 2018 13:03:04 GMT
How would you feel if Bioware include this type of character to appeal to the American sorority girl types to send the message that they don't have to give up their femininity to be strong?
What would you think of that social justice agenda?
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Post by Andraste_Reborn on Feb 2, 2018 13:18:12 GMT
How would you feel if Bioware include this type of character to appeal to the American sorority girl types to send the message that they don't have to give up their femininity to be strong? What would you think of that social justice agenda? Almost all strong female characters in the media are feminine - just think of Buffy Summers or Wonder Woman. Even Xena has that long, flowing hair some dudes seem to like so much. So I don't think there's much need for anyone to send a message that women can be strong and still feminine. What's rare is seeing a main female character who isn't femme to the nth degree.
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Post by cmdrshep2183 on Feb 2, 2018 14:06:17 GMT
How would you feel if Bioware include this type of character to appeal to the American sorority girl types to send the message that they don't have to give up their femininity to be strong? What would you think of that social justice agenda? Almost all strong female characters in the media are feminine - just think of Buffy Summers or Wonder Woman. Even Xena has that long, flowing hair some dudes seem to like so much. So I don't think there's much need for anyone to send a message that women can be strong and still feminine. What's rare is seeing a main female character who isn't femme to the nth degree. Why didn't we get one of those in Inquisition? I don't want to give off the wrong impression. I greatly dislike people like Milo and GamerGate. I also greatly support the inclusion of a butch LI.
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Post by ComedicSociopathy on Feb 2, 2018 14:54:28 GMT
Is long-hair really a deciding factor for whether a character is feminine? Josephine is still quite feminine to me.
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Post by Psychevore on Feb 2, 2018 15:10:46 GMT
If the only things about her are that she's girly, feminine, bisexual and hot, then no.
Cause that just is fanservice and has about 0 personality.
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Post by Psychevore on Feb 2, 2018 15:13:40 GMT
You know why Anita Sarkeesian is right?
Topics like this, ffs.
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Post by vertigomez on Feb 2, 2018 15:18:17 GMT
How would you feel if Bioware include this type of character to appeal to the American sorority girl types to send the message that they don't have to give up their femininity to be strong? What would you think of that social justice agenda? "American sorority girl types" already know this. They're not twelve. They're grown-ass adults. It's not about "giving up their femininity" - plenty of women find a comfortable balance between the two, and plenty of women don't give a fig how feminine men percieve them to be, and plenty of women would rather dress up than wade into the thick of battle, etc. Because women are different and different women value different things.
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Post by Psychevore on Feb 2, 2018 15:20:52 GMT
How would you feel if Bioware include this type of character to appeal to the American sorority girl types to send the message that they don't have to give up their femininity to be strong? What would you think of that social justice agenda? "American sorority girl types" already know this. They're not twelve. They're grown-ass adults. It's not about "giving up their femininity" - plenty of women find a comfortable balance between the two, and plenty of women don't give a fig how feminine men percieve them to be, and plenty of women would rather dress up than wade into the thick of battle, etc. Because women are different and different women value different things. Wow, wow, wow. Are you implying women aren't on earth to be our eyecandy and dishwasher? My goodness man, the gall.
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Post by vertigomez on Feb 2, 2018 15:23:23 GMT
Almost all strong female characters in the media are feminine - just think of Buffy Summers or Wonder Woman. Even Xena has that long, flowing hair some dudes seem to like so much. So I don't think there's much need for anyone to send a message that women can be strong and still feminine. What's rare is seeing a main female character who isn't femme to the nth degree. Why didn't we get one of those in Inquisition?I don't want to give off the wrong impression. I greatly dislike people like Milo and GamerGate. I also greatly support the inclusion of a butch LI. Why did we need one? They're everywhere. Dragon Age and Mass Effect alone are loaded with women who are powerful and competent and, yes, traditionally feminine.
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Post by PapaCharlie9 on Feb 2, 2018 16:43:35 GMT
Almost all strong female characters in the media are feminine - just think of Buffy Summers or Wonder Woman. Even Xena has that long, flowing hair some dudes seem to like so much. So I don't think there's much need for anyone to send a message that women can be strong and still feminine. What's rare is seeing a main female character who isn't femme to the nth degree. Why didn't we get one of those in Inquisition? Who says we didn't?
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Post by phoray on Feb 2, 2018 16:59:10 GMT
Is long-hair really a deciding factor for whether a character is feminine? Josephine is still quite feminine to me. And she has long hair. It's just up in a bun to avoid clipping, but there is no way that bun happens without at least some shoulder legth hair. Puffed sleeves like we're anne of green gables in the late 1800s and a skirt? or it is skirt pants?
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Post by fylimar on Feb 2, 2018 20:29:30 GMT
How would you feel if Bioware include this type of character to appeal to the American sorority girl types to send the message that they don't have to give up their femininity to be strong? What would you think of that social justice agenda? Can someone explain, what an American sorority girl is to a hapless European? I find Cas quite beautiful btw. All the women in inquisition are stunning and I'm glad, that at least two can be romanced by a female inqui too. If I have one criticism, it's , that Josies romance is a bit too sugary (not a Disney fan here). Normally, I don't care, how the companions look, I don't look for a real life substitute, but for an interesting story. My favorite in DAI is Iron Bull and he is hardly Prince Charming or even conventionally good looking. But he is a great character with a lot of interaction with his Kadan.
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