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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Mar 10, 2018 18:11:35 GMT
Will never happen, since it would force a romance on all the players. Uh, how? Youโre honestly asking how the protagonist being the child of Liara or Ashley is forcing a romance on all players? It couldnโt be more obvious since it forces all players to have their Shepard be with Ashley or Liara. What about everyone else who romanced characters where the relationship canโt result in children, or donโt do romances at all? You know, the majority of the players.
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Post by themikefest on Mar 10, 2018 18:23:05 GMT
Play as child of the asari T'soni or Ashley?
That would be hard to do since Ashley could be left on Virmire, and/or the player plays as femshep. In regards to the asari. That's not going to work since my Shepard doesn't romance aliens.
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Post by mike007mad on Mar 10, 2018 18:59:59 GMT
It would make more sense if you romanced Liara or Ashley, and gotten pregnant on the 3rd game, maybe we could play as their daughter/son of the sequel. Thats not a bad idea mate. Technically still a shepard. Unless your femshep then i don't know. But yeah that would make more sense
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Post by mike007mad on Mar 10, 2018 19:03:38 GMT
Play as child of the asari T'soni or Ashley? That would be hard to do since Ashley could be left on Virmire, and/or the player plays as femshep. In regards to the asari. That's not going to work since my Shepard doesn't romance aliens. I think what their trying to get at is you play as the Child of the protagonist. Whoever you romance is the shared parent of shepard's child. I know you can go through the game without romancing someone. But maybe if anything, they could say Cerberus for instance used shepards DNA to produce a child. But again it could be a stretch if they did.
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Post by copper on Mar 10, 2018 20:22:43 GMT
What's so special about Shepard that our protagonist has either be them or be descended from them? Mass Effect has been too human-centric so far. My vote would be for the next Mass Effect to go the Dragon Age Origins route and give us a playable origin for each major alien race; probably human, asari, salarian, and turian since they're all council races.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Mar 10, 2018 20:47:52 GMT
What's so special about Shepard that our protagonist has either be them or be descended from them? Mass Effect has been too human-centric so far. My vote would be for the next Mass Effect to go the Dragon Age Origins route and give us a playable origin for each major alien race; probably human, asari, salarian, and turian since they're all council races. I would love it if they did this. I want to finish up with Ryder since they have some unfinished stuff, but after that I definitely think they should do race options.
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Post by cloud9 on Mar 10, 2018 21:40:57 GMT
Play as child of the asari T'soni or Ashley? That would be hard to do since Ashley could be left on Virmire, and/or the player plays as femshep. In regards to the asari. That's not going to work since my Shepard doesn't romance aliens. That depends on the players choices but it the child would be a optional secondary protagonist of the game depending on the romance with Ashley, Jack, or Liara.
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Post by cloud9 on Mar 10, 2018 21:47:58 GMT
Youโre honestly asking how the protagonist being the child of Liara or Ashley is forcing a romance on all players? It couldnโt be more obvious since it forces all players to have their Shepard be with Ashley or Liara. What about everyone else who romanced characters where the relationship canโt result in children, or donโt do romances at all? You know, the majority of the players. ๐๐๐๐๐ The child could be the optional secondary protagonist depending on the romance like Morrigan with her son in Inquisition if a male character impregnated her in Origins. Duh!
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Post by themikefest on Mar 10, 2018 21:56:01 GMT
That depends on the players choices but it the child would be a optional secondary protagonist of the game depending on the romance with Ashley, Jack, or Liara. And why would I want that? The other thing is those characters you listed can be dead.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Mar 10, 2018 22:04:02 GMT
Youโre honestly asking how the protagonist being the child of Liara or Ashley is forcing a romance on all players? It couldnโt be more obvious since it forces all players to have their Shepard be with Ashley or Liara. What about everyone else who romanced characters where the relationship canโt result in children, or donโt do romances at all? You know, the majority of the players. ๐๐๐๐๐ The child could be the optional secondary protagonist depending on the romance like Morrigan with her son in Inquisition if a male character impregnated her in Origins. Duh! There is a monumental difference between a small cameo character like Kieran and a secondary protagonist. Plus as pointed above, unlike Morrigan the love interests in Mass Effect can die do they also have to take that into account. Overall, there is way too much effort and variance to make it possible for Shepardโs kid to be anything more than a small cameo.
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Post by cloud9 on Mar 11, 2018 1:07:09 GMT
That depends on the players choices but it the child would be a optional secondary protagonist of the game depending on the romance with Ashley, Jack, or Liara. And why would I want that? The other thing is those characters you listed can be dead. But they were never confirmed KIA.
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Post by cloud9 on Mar 11, 2018 1:10:40 GMT
๐๐๐๐๐ The child could be the optional secondary protagonist depending on the romance like Morrigan with her son in Inquisition if a male character impregnated her in Origins. Duh! There is a monumental difference between a small cameo character like Kieran and a secondary protagonist. Plus as pointed above, unlike Morrigan the love interests in Mass Effect can die do they also have to take that into account. Overall, there is way too much effort and variance to make it possible for Shepardโs kid to be anything more than a small cameo. That's what I like to call an excuse. And Dragon Age proved that things could be possible if one of the NPC's have children depended on outcomes of previous games.
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Post by themikefest on Mar 11, 2018 1:25:45 GMT
But they were never confirmed KIA. They were in my playthrough
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Post by cloud9 on Mar 11, 2018 1:38:26 GMT
Well can you explain Shepard surviving in the destroy ending? What's the explain?ย He was buried under a pile of rubble and someone found him.ย Higher war assets means more ships were available to investigate.ย Lower war assets (in which case Shepard dies) result in fewer ships available to go searching.ย I've read all about IT and watched all the videos about it.ย Some of it is compelling but I think it ultimately doesn't hold up.ย As others have pointed out, IT means the trilogy had no ending whereas BioWare very clearly intended us to have one. And they didn't explain or confirm that Shepard survived or not? This is why BioWare is inconsistent and incompetent.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Mar 11, 2018 6:56:49 GMT
There is a monumental difference between a small cameo character like Kieran and a secondary protagonist. Plus as pointed above, unlike Morrigan the love interests in Mass Effect can die do they also have to take that into account. Overall, there is way too much effort and variance to make it possible for Shepardโs kid to be anything more than a small cameo. That's what I like to call an excuse. And Dragon Age proved that things could be possible if one of the NPC's have children depended on outcomes of previous games. Dragon Age proved said child can be a minor character, not a protagonist like you are saying Shepardโs kid could be.
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Post by dmc1001 on Mar 11, 2018 17:49:30 GMT
What's the explain? He was buried under a pile of rubble and someone found him. Higher war assets means more ships were available to investigate. Lower war assets (in which case Shepard dies) result in fewer ships available to go searching. I've read all about IT and watched all the videos about it. Some of it is compelling but I think it ultimately doesn't hold up. As others have pointed out, IT means the trilogy had no ending whereas BioWare very clearly intended us to have one. And they didn't explain or confirm that Shepard survived or not? This is why BioWare is inconsistent and incompetent. We know he was alive up to that breath scene. Anything beyond that is up to your own imagination. It's not inconsistent so much as the story doesn't keep going. I choose to believe Shepard survived. I've heard others say they believe it was a last gasp before dying. Does it really matter?
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Post by cloud9 on Mar 12, 2018 1:50:26 GMT
That's what I like to call an excuse. And Dragon Age proved that things could be possible if one of the NPC's have children depended on outcomes of previous games. Dragon Age proved said child can be a minor character, not a protagonist like you are saying Shepardโs kid could be. ๐๐๐๐
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Mar 12, 2018 1:53:59 GMT
Dragon Age proved said child can be a minor character, not a protagonist like you are saying Shepardโs kid could be. ๐๐๐๐ Okay. So me where in the game that the player can choose to play as Kieren for the duration or even for part of the duration.
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Post by cloud9 on Mar 12, 2018 1:56:22 GMT
And they didn't explain or confirm that Shepard survived or not? This is why BioWare is inconsistent and incompetent. We know he was alive up to that breath scene.ย Anything beyond that is up to your own imagination.ย It's not inconsistent so much as the story doesn't keep going.ย I choose to believe Shepard survived.ย I've heard others say they believe it was a last gasp before dying.ย Does it really matter? Yes it matters. It does matter that people wanted to know that Shepard with lived or died, and the extended ending of that is crap that they don't even bother trying to make it their best ending. That's pure laziness and incompetent for them to not to make the ending their best. And "leaving to our imagination" is just a poor excuse.
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Post by dmc1001 on Mar 12, 2018 2:19:59 GMT
We know he was alive up to that breath scene. Anything beyond that is up to your own imagination. It's not inconsistent so much as the story doesn't keep going. I choose to believe Shepard survived. I've heard others say they believe it was a last gasp before dying. Does it really matter? Yes it matters. It does matter that people wanted to know that Shepard with lived or died, and the extended ending of that is crap that they don't even bother trying to make it their best ending. That's pure laziness and incompetent for them to not to make the ending their best. And "leaving to our imagination" is just a poor excuse. OK, fine. It's lazy on their part. It's also lazy that they never bothered to give a shit about same sex romances (m/m in particular because we wouldn't want to make anyone feel icky) and put in the least effort with them than any others. Now, I can either live in resentment about it all or move on but I'm not going to argue that the breath scene ending could have been done better.
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Post by mike007mad on Mar 12, 2018 11:36:57 GMT
We know he was alive up to that breath scene. Anything beyond that is up to your own imagination. It's not inconsistent so much as the story doesn't keep going. I choose to believe Shepard survived. I've heard others say they believe it was a last gasp before dying. Does it really matter? Yes it matters. It does matter that people wanted to know that Shepard with lived or died, and the extended ending of that is crap that they don't even bother trying to make it their best ending. That's pure laziness and incompetent for them to not to make the ending their best. And "leaving to our imagination" is just a poor excuse. I know what your saying mate, Thats why i came up with this new trilogy idea. Because i know so many people wanted to destroy the reapers and that any other option would have been against their Shepard's being. Dmc does have a point that they might want the Fans to make up their own conclusion. But like you said, that is a pretty poor excuse especially from a development team that delved Deep into their own lore and building it up throughout the entire trilogy to just say, ''Write up your own conclusion to shepard's story''. The New Trilogy concept isnt meant to slam any control or Synthesis players but as Destroy is the only one with that added scene. Which btw, is ofcourse a breath scene but to me it also sounds more like a breath of an individual that has just awoken from something rather than a last breath or a continued breathing pattern. Either way bro, you have all right as a fan to express your dislike to how Bioware left it. As i know we love Bioware for creating a fantastic world to enjoy in the first place. I think it was either rushed or they didn't know how to close it off. With my concept it isnt to close it off (just yet) but to continue it for ''One more story''.
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Post by mike007mad on Mar 12, 2018 11:40:16 GMT
Yes it matters. It does matter that people wanted to know that Shepard with lived or died, and the extended ending of that is crap that they don't even bother trying to make it their best ending. That's pure laziness and incompetent for them to not to make the ending their best. And "leaving to our imagination" is just a poor excuse. OK, fine. It's lazy on their part. It's also lazy that they never bothered to give a shit about same sex romances (m/m in particular because we wouldn't want to make anyone feel icky) and put in the least effort with them than any others. Now, I can either live in resentment about it all or move on but I'm not going to argue that the breath scene ending could have been done better. Yeah it could have been, but im glad you see both sides of this and are not one person who Completely Repels any reasoning nor hate others for their views. Now that i think of it though and re-watching the scene a few times that breath sounds like waking up from something, or regaining consciousness, because if it was a last gasp i think it would be longer than a second (as all the air would leave your lungs sort of thing). either way mate, thanks for your feedback.
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