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Post by cmdrshep2183 on May 8, 2018 2:33:15 GMT
The cut content references an hidden city called the Oasis. Do you think that would be cool to show in a DLC or future game?
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Post by Unicephalon 40-D on May 8, 2018 7:16:40 GMT
Yes it would be cool of course.
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Post by Ahriman on May 8, 2018 7:42:53 GMT
Why tho? There are enough clusters in Andromeda for a million of ME games, no need to cramp all aliens in one cluster.
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Post by dmc1001 on May 8, 2018 7:53:18 GMT
Agreed. That's why I pointed out it was extremely unlikely that levo and dextro planets both existed in the same cluster. It might have made more sense to have the AI launch into at least two separate clusters just to make this work. Naturally, those clusters would not have been as large as Heleus.
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Post by helios969 on May 8, 2018 8:41:52 GMT
Agreed. That's why I pointed out it was extremely unlikely that levo and dextro planets both existed in the same cluster. It might have made more sense to have the AI launch into at least two separate clusters just to make this work. Naturally, those clusters would not have been as large as Heleus. Not sure why you would make that claim if you accept the premise of life being as prevalent as presented in the ME universe given the number of star systems involved. If you want to take a purely scientific view, then yeah, but of course it's unlikely you'd find intelligent life at all let alone one advanced enough to be space faring.
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Post by correctamundo on May 8, 2018 8:49:51 GMT
How much of the Heleus cluster is unrevealed? Is there that much unrevealed to Harbor Another advanced Alien lifeform? I expect more aliens outside of Heleus but believe Heleus itself is mainly a Jaardan space.
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Post by dmc1001 on May 8, 2018 9:22:25 GMT
Agreed. That's why I pointed out it was extremely unlikely that levo and dextro planets both existed in the same cluster. It might have made more sense to have the AI launch into at least two separate clusters just to make this work. Naturally, those clusters would not have been as large as Heleus. Not sure why you would make that claim if you accept the premise of life being as prevalent as presented in the ME universe given the number of star systems involved. If you want to take a purely scientific view, then yeah, but of course it's unlikely you'd find intelligent life at all let alone one advanced enough to be space faring. Just going by the MW, we never saw dextro and levo in the same clusters. So that's why I'd make that claim.
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Post by Sanunes on May 8, 2018 11:02:41 GMT
I think that shows that cutting content can be a good thing, for I think the Oasis wouldn't have fit that well in with the story they seem to be trying to make for the Heleus Cluster. Now with that being said if they are able to have a good reason why we didn't find out about them in the first game and why they are there since it seems the cluster was being terraformed to something else, I wouldn't be apposed. I would rather that we find another race in another cluster though.
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Post by cypherj on May 8, 2018 11:46:42 GMT
There could be. Technically the Kett nor Angarans were naturally in Helius. The Angarans were created and placed there and the Kett invaded. If the Jardaan didn't create the cluster itself, there could be another race there. From what I gathered from the game, the Jardaan probably aren't originally from Helius either. Did the Jardaan wipe out other races to make room for their creation, are there still some left in hiding. Is there a race that has just become space faring? Who set off the explosion that created the scourge?
So little was explained, anything is possible at this point.
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Post by Deleted on May 8, 2018 12:36:20 GMT
There could be. Technically the Kett nor Angarans were naturally in Helius. The Angarans were created and placed there and the Kett invaded. If the Jardaan didn't create the cluster itself, there could be another race there. From what I gathered from the game, the Jardaan probably aren't originally from Helius either. Did the Jardaan wipe out other races to make room for their creation, are there still some left in hiding. Is there a race that has just become space faring? Who set off the explosion that created the scourge? So little was explained, anything is possible at this point. I agree. There is so much left wide open at the end of ME:A that anything is possible. Are we even sure the Jaardan is just one species. Are they perhaps an empire like the Protheans. We know the kett have exalted members from 1,000 or more species (according to the Archon - "I am the genetic inheritor of a thousand species.") and that they come from outside the cluster; but we don't know really how long they've been exalting species within the Heleus cluster nor whether they've managed to extinct the species they've exalted in the past. The Angara have a history that they believed was true; but the reality they face now is that all that history beyond the time of the scourge was likely false (or created in their minds by the Jaardan). So, yes, I believe there are other species in Heleus that Bioware hasn't revealed to us yet. Of course, it will all depend on where they plan to take the story from here.
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Post by KaiserShep on May 8, 2018 12:41:21 GMT
The Scourge allows a lot of possibilities. A cluster consists of hundreds of stars, many of which could very well be either inaccessible or just simply thought to be of no real interest. Any intelligent life hiding out in Heleus could be, like, the remains of what the Jaardan wiped out with their Remnant technology to remake the cluster to their liking, or they're refugees of the Kett, using the Scourge to hide on remote worlds somewhere. If the Jaardan were invaders, the Scourge could be the technological equivalent of the genophage to target their invasive tech in retaliation for being some sort of space plague, and whoever's left from that war hid when the Kett started screwing around the cluster.
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Post by Deleted on May 8, 2018 14:39:22 GMT
I'm sure. There's even plenty of undiscovered species hiding here on Earth.
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Post by dmc1001 on May 8, 2018 16:09:05 GMT
I think that shows that cutting content can be a good thing, for I think the Oasis wouldn't have fit that well in with the story they seem to be trying to make for the Heleus Cluster. Now with that being said if they are able to have a good reason why we didn't find out about them in the first game and why they are there since it seems the cluster was being terraformed to something else, I wouldn't be apposed. I would rather that we find another race in another cluster though. Though I think you're probably right, we do know there are exceptions, Aya being one of them. That said, Ryder would have known about it after activating the first vault on Eos when star map of Heleus showed the locations of all the vaults, which is how they found out about Aya. I don't see any planet escaping the Scourge without an active vault. That said, I'd explore other (hopefully smaller) clusters before packing more into Heleus.
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Post by dmc1001 on May 8, 2018 16:10:44 GMT
If the Jardaan didn't create the cluster itself, there could be another race there. I never even thought about this. If the Jardaan created the cluster it might explain why it's so large.
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Post by sageoflife on May 8, 2018 16:33:53 GMT
If I recall correctly, there actually is flavor text alluding to an unknown Heleus race that was wiped out by the Scourge.
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Post by alanc9 on May 8, 2018 16:36:38 GMT
Not sure why you would make that claim if you accept the premise of life being as prevalent as presented in the ME universe given the number of star systems involved. If you want to take a purely scientific view, then yeah, but of course it's unlikely you'd find intelligent life at all let alone one advanced enough to be space faring. Just going by the MW, we never saw dextro and levo in the same clusters. So that's why I'd make that claim. The problems with that conclusion is that there's no particular reason to think that we see all the systems in a cluster on any MET map, and there's no plausible action mechanism to spread dextro or levo life across a cluster. (FTL starship seeding could do it, but then you wouldn't be limited to clusters since everybody discovers the relay network.)
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Post by helios969 on May 8, 2018 19:12:07 GMT
We may be assuming the Jardaan were monolithic. Meaning maybe there was another faction (or even multiple) in conflict with one another manufacturing their own AI machines and creating life in response to one another. Call it an arms race.
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Post by griffith82 on May 8, 2018 19:32:44 GMT
I much prefer finding more races in neighboring clusters.
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Post by ahglock on May 9, 2018 1:49:50 GMT
I think that shows that cutting content can be a good thing, for I think the Oasis wouldn't have fit that well in with the story they seem to be trying to make for the Heleus Cluster. Now with that being said if they are able to have a good reason why we didn't find out about them in the first game and why they are there since it seems the cluster was being terraformed to something else, I wouldn't be apposed. I would rather that we find another race in another cluster though. Though I think you're probably right, we do know there are exceptions, Aya being one of them. That said, Ryder would have known about it after activating the first vault on Eos when star map of Heleus showed the locations of all the vaults, which is how they found out about Aya. I don't see any planet escaping the Scourge without an active vault. That said, I'd explore other (hopefully smaller) clusters before packing more into Heleus. Unless the scourge is attracted to vaults and other remnant tech. There is some indication it was a weapon targeted at them. In which case it might be close to non existent on worlds the remnant did not exist.
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Post by dmc1001 on May 9, 2018 3:16:04 GMT
Though I think you're probably right, we do know there are exceptions, Aya being one of them. That said, Ryder would have known about it after activating the first vault on Eos when star map of Heleus showed the locations of all the vaults, which is how they found out about Aya. I don't see any planet escaping the Scourge without an active vault. That said, I'd explore other (hopefully smaller) clusters before packing more into Heleus. Unless the scourge is attracted to vaults and other remnant tech. There is some indication it was a weapon targeted at them. In which case it might be close to non existent on worlds the remnant did not exist. Could be but then we're left wondering why Aya was unaffected.
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Post by ahglock on May 9, 2018 3:38:30 GMT
Unless the scourge is attracted to vaults and other remnant tech. There is some indication it was a weapon targeted at them. In which case it might be close to non existent on worlds the remnant did not exist. Could be but then we're left wondering why Aya was unaffected. I never saw it as unaffected as it was surrounded by it. I assumed it was a hasn't hit the planet yet thing. Near the end with how he took out the fleet, it looked to me like the scourge was specifically moving to attack the remnant fleet which the kett wile e coyoted right into. Where in my impression from the navigating through the scourge statements, other ships cold navigate through it without it moving to attack. Though that obviously could just be confirmation bias on my end on how i interpreted scenes.
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Post by ahglock on May 9, 2018 3:42:27 GMT
For the main question, I want other races and actually more developed societies. Whether that's in this cluster or due to us expanding to the rest of the galaxy I'm not too concerned with. While they would not have to build relays to explore the rest of the galaxy without them travel time probably becomes part of the story and I'm not sure that is a good idea.30 light years a day might get you around a cluster in a short enough time period where we can ignore it, but if it takes months or years of time for a journey it becomes harder to ignore.
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Post by natetrace on May 9, 2018 4:12:40 GMT
Maybe not the heleus cluster, but in nearby ones sure. There are other aliens mentioned in Andromeda, I believe. I was playing MEA today, again, and although I think there could be an allied race with cities and such, I also thought about continuing the building of outposts and how far we could take that. Mass Effect with a Sim city mini game! So we help out a race that the Kett have crippled, and build up a city! Plant a giant McDonald's on their homeworld.
Uhh, what was this topic? Oh yeah, I think there are plenty of aliens out there, just in other clusters.
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Post by sil on May 9, 2018 9:34:12 GMT
Just a few comments 1) I'm 90% sure that Oasis was the prototype name for Aya, there are many similarities in the lines about Oasis with Aya, both are hidden worlds that the Kett haven't found, etc. 2) The angara are not the only species in Heleus, just the only one we know to have survived the Scourge. H-019 had a primitive intelligent species who perished when the Scourge hit, and there is a torpedo found on Pas-40a that is potentially pre-Jaardan, so there is evidence of other aliens. 3) 1 race to a cluster is disproved in Mass Effect 1-3 because there are dead garden worlds in the same clusters as homeworlds. Not only that, but from a scientific point of view, it's a bit silly to think that a cluster can only have one intelligent species, and it is silly to think that one cluster must have only dextro species and another a different type. If Bioware wanted, they could have hundreds of stars in a cluster and a number of intelligent species, who could all be at different levels of civilisation; some might be at the space age, others at the bronze age, etc. 4) Although probably not native to Heleus, there are references to the Eealen and Thusali both ingame and in the cut script files. It's highly likely they were intended to be added at some point in a DLC or were cut because of resources/time. 5) There are also references to "ambient species" in the script files, but these are well after the Angara, Kett (Khet at the time), Eealen and Thusali were mentioned, which makes it possible they had intended on another intelligent alien species. So do I think there are more hiding? Yup! ^^
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Post by Princess Trejo on May 16, 2018 17:01:13 GMT
The devs need to focus on current aliens that did not appear before introducing more species. List: - Batarian
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