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Post by tjmitchem on Jun 11, 2018 22:35:21 GMT
I'm a little confused on how I sound like a MEA fan. Are MEA fans big on co-op multiplayer? Would you care to elaborate? As far as "meaning well", I congratulate you on your ability to sound as condescending as hell, though you probably mean well. Mea fans loved mea and defended it to death but mea flopped, there: Elaborated. Easy there pal, noones looking down at ya. Feeling a little macho are we? Show me where I defended MEA, and you'll have a point. Anthem doesn't exist yet. I'll be fifty in a few months. My macho days are FAR behind me. The only people I have to prove myself to are my wife (done), and my daughter, which will never happen
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Post by simit on Jun 11, 2018 22:47:27 GMT
Romance was never a deal breaker, more interested in difficulty an end game content cause more i see/learn of Division 2 the more i realise that will need alot of my time.
No denying im buying Anthem an i still believe it will be fun, since well tbh it my sort of game, but also no denying i still got questions none of which have anything to do with romance or any sort of relationship in game unless you put matchmaking questions in there i guess
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Post by Sanunes on Jun 11, 2018 23:13:06 GMT
I'm a little confused on how I sound like a MEA fan. Are MEA fans big on co-op multiplayer? Would you care to elaborate? As far as "meaning well", I congratulate you on your ability to sound as condescending as hell, though you probably mean well. Mea fans loved mea and defended it to death but mea flopped, there: Elaborated. Easy there pal, noones looking down at ya. Feeling a little macho are we? How do you know Andromeda flopped? Andrew Wilson said " if you look at Mass Effect, and while there was some polarizing sentiment in that franchise, it's actually performed really well, and player engagement is really strong". I bet EA is more afraid of lying to their investors then governments regulating content.
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Post by Destructive Deer on Jun 11, 2018 23:41:00 GMT
For me it's the final nail in the coffin.
No interesting story at E3. No interesting characters at E3. Visually almost identical to Destiny. A really annoying focus on multiplayer.
And today I googled to see if they even have any romance left, but nope. That's gone too now.
This is further emphasized because I've been replaying Borderlands 2 with a friend, as I'm trying to introduce him to the franchise. Borderlands 2 does everything Anthem is trying to be, but better. It has an interesting story/lore, it has interesting characters (and one of gaming's best villains, ever), it has RNG loot/guns/etc., you can play it with multiplayer with buddies or alone, it's got style, humour and character, 4 classes (6 if you include DLC), boss battles/raids, higher difficulties to challenge yourself...
All of that, already done way back in 2012. You're 6 years late, Bioware, and you're still behind.
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Post by Andrew Waples on Jun 11, 2018 23:54:45 GMT
For me it's the final nail in the coffin. No interesting story at E3. No interesting characters at E3. Visually almost identical to Destiny. A really annoying focus on multiplayer. And today I googled to see if they even have any romance left, but nope. That's gone too now. This is further emphasized because I've been replaying Borderlands 2 with a friend, as I'm trying to introduce him to the franchise. Borderlands 2 does everything Anthem is trying to be, but better. It has an interesting story/lore, it has interesting characters (and one of gaming's best villains, ever), it has RNG loot/guns/etc., you can play it with multiplayer with buddies or alone, it's got style, humour and character, 4 classes (6 if you include DLC), boss battles/raids, higher difficulties to challenge yourself... All of that, already done way back in 2012. You're 6 years late, Bioware, and you're still behind. What about Destiny? Are they not "way behind" based on that logic?🙄
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Post by Realguile on Jun 12, 2018 0:11:28 GMT
It's to be expected. Romances bring out a side of this community that is downright disgusting in the way they handle business. Constant whining about certain characters not being an option or being an option to another sex, attacking of other members of the community for their options. And even within specific character communities, arguments that lead to an entire sub forum being shut down. This is not a group of people that BioWare want to drag with them to new game, and not just a new IP, but a new style of game, Anthem isn't a RPG like BioWare have done before. For the first time in two decades, BioWare are trying to branch out and bring in new players with a new genre of gaming. They don't need the baggage of the romance community following them. But it seems like that's not working, with according to the OP people are already starting to force BioWare into adding romances, which adds even further to my point that this isn't a mentally stable community, they need to move on already. The BioWare RPG fans, have moved on, I have no plan at all at buying this game because it isn't a RPG. I played Destiny 2(only because I wanted the white PS4 pro), it was trash, and since Anthem is Destiny, I already know what it is. Now it's time for the romance fans to move on as well. Let BioWare appeal to a new demographic and hope that they can sustain BioWare long enough for Dragon Age to come out. I agree 100%, but Bioware is in a no win situation IMO. I do not envy them at all. lol
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Post by Steelcan on Jun 12, 2018 1:51:40 GMT
For me it's the final nail in the coffin. No interesting story at E3. No interesting characters at E3. Visually almost identical to Destiny. A really annoying focus on multiplayer. And today I googled to see if they even have any romance left, but nope. That's gone too now. This is further emphasized because I've been replaying Borderlands 2 with a friend, as I'm trying to introduce him to the franchise. Borderlands 2 does everything Anthem is trying to be, but better. It has an interesting story/lore, it has interesting characters (and one of gaming's best villains, ever), it has RNG loot/guns/etc., you can play it with multiplayer with buddies or alone, it's got style, humour and character, 4 classes (6 if you include DLC), boss battles/raids, higher difficulties to challenge yourself... All of that, already done way back in 2012. You're 6 years late, Bioware, and you're still behind. What about Destiny? Are they not "way behind" based on that logic?🙄 BioWare is playing catch up to a game playing catch up, that's hardly cause for enthusiasm
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Post by SwobyJ on Jun 12, 2018 5:40:38 GMT
Started (as 'big thing' imo) KOTOR/JE, important by ME/DAO, fandoms around it by ME2/DA2, expanded ME3/DAI. And no matter how much additional said content they add people still whine incessantly. Maybe Bioware should just create a romance sim game that includes a brief cutscene showing your character going out for a mission immediately followed by one of them returning so they can get back to sexy time. Ugh! Forget I said anything. I was a complainer about ME but not so much DA, I'm mostly cool with that except for various minor critiques. ME because: ME1 - There were s/s lines I wish they used so I could have access to a Kaidan romance story as I more wished. ME2 - They were going on about sexual equality yet I had no s/s at all. ME3 - Steve (and Sam) was clearly dev afterthought that I almost, almost wish they didn't bother with. However, later content tried to make up for (Leviathan a bit, Citadel some). MEA - Quantity was fine, arguably more than fine (too much!), but the way m/m was treated was abysmal compared to at least the last few Bioware games, and it was bizarre for me to see as they were probably at peak Pride Marketing by that point. I had even said that if it was a choice between the quality they gave at launch and no m/m at all, I'd take the latter. Jaalmance was controversial and I understand some of the arguments against the patch, but for me it saved that aspect of the game and kept me from giving it any lower than a '7/10' in my head (as in, it stopped me from feeling too poorly, whereas before I was just getting progressively bitter). This was a weird time where aside from maybe the first couple weeks post-ME3, I was never so dour about Bioware. Even now, I just lack interest in Anthem and feel annoyed at the design pivots, but not *dour*. If Anthem is being made to potentially support romances (even in a post-release large expansion onward) but Bioware wants to temper their scope and see a more 'live' reception to the 'living' story, I'm all for that. If Anthem is never going to have romances, I'm quite okay with that, it just takes away something that I am a little interested in Bioware games over other games.
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Post by SwobyJ on Jun 12, 2018 5:42:26 GMT
I find it bit ironic that of all games Assassin's Creed adds choosable romances (and adds dialogue choice for the first time) while BioWare known for it gets rid of it (i'm aware that dialogue choice exists) for Anthem; it's not a deal breaker for Anthem, but it is ironic. And for once, I'm *almost* getting Odyssey just for that. (not really, but close enough) Whereas I never did that for Bioware games, where it was only icing. Something about that screenshot of the handsome Odyssey protagonist (probably can't customize beyond gender though, ack!) and the picked dialogue has me squeeing like I'm a teenager discovering Dragon Age 2.
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Post by SwobyJ on Jun 12, 2018 5:50:15 GMT
Mea fans loved mea and defended it to death but mea flopped, there: Elaborated. Easy there pal, noones looking down at ya. Feeling a little macho are we? How do you know Andromeda flopped? Andrew Wilson said " if you look at Mass Effect, and while there was some polarizing sentiment in that franchise, it's actually performed really well, and player engagement is really strong". I bet EA is more afraid of lying to their investors then governments regulating content. My impression of MEA's situation continues to be the following: -Launch was good numbers -Dropoff relatively fast -But this dropoff was expected -And alongside the studio problems and importance of Anthem, decision was made early to focus on Anthem instead of MEA content, barring a surprise MEA hit and large player retention (in which case maybe 1-2 major DLC could happen) That is, they were prepping to be done before launch, then launch was there and good but not strong enough afterward to keep the studio going those months longer. None of this means Mass Effect is dead. However, it does reflect what EA officials have stated or implied - that the series is on 'ice' to defrost potentially next console gen with an even more reevaluated design (this doesn't mean just new things, but could mean return of old things; it just means deliberation and intention instead of MEA's more 'make another one!, but 'fresh'). The book will tell the story of Quarian ark and I'm almost certain that either a next main game or other side media (spinoff, comic, book, otherwise) will address at least some other perceived loose threads. We can't have certainty about the next game's details because it'll be so long. Maybe it'll have Milky Way, maybe not. Maybe it'll have Andromeda, maybe not. Maybe it'll have both or neither. We just know Milky Way had its events in some sort, and Andromeda has Milky Way peoples centuries after, establishing what can become and advanced foothold.
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Post by SwobyJ on Jun 12, 2018 5:53:26 GMT
It's to be expected. Romances bring out a side of this community that is downright disgusting in the way they handle business. Constant whining about certain characters not being an option or being an option to another sex, attacking of other members of the community for their options. And even within specific character communities, arguments that lead to an entire sub forum being shut down. This is not a group of people that BioWare want to drag with them to new game, and not just a new IP, but a new style of game, Anthem isn't a RPG like BioWare have done before. For the first time in two decades, BioWare are trying to branch out and bring in new players with a new genre of gaming. They don't need the baggage of the romance community following them. But it seems like that's not working, with according to the OP people are already starting to force BioWare into adding romances, which adds even further to my point that this isn't a mentally stable community, they need to move on already. The BioWare RPG fans, have moved on, I have no plan at all at buying this game because it isn't a RPG. I played Destiny 2(only because I wanted the white PS4 pro), it was trash, and since Anthem is Destiny, I already know what it is. Now it's time for the romance fans to move on as well. Let BioWare appeal to a new demographic and hope that they can sustain BioWare long enough for Dragon Age to come out. I agree 100%, but Bioware is in a no win situation IMO. I do not envy them at all. lol Honestly I don't think its a bad idea to decide to not have romances (at least at start of game/franchise) but instead (perhaps - we'll see the product) have romance-esque relationships with NPCs in the hub city. Romance-esque as in 'advanced and progressing', not actually romantic. Deep friendships (or rivalries? or other?). If anything, use that as a writing test, and you don't even carry along the Bioware romance stigma, while being open to the Bioware romance appeal later.
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Post by Sanunes on Jun 12, 2018 6:24:52 GMT
How do you know Andromeda flopped? Andrew Wilson said " if you look at Mass Effect, and while there was some polarizing sentiment in that franchise, it's actually performed really well, and player engagement is really strong". I bet EA is more afraid of lying to their investors then governments regulating content. My impression of MEA's situation continues to be the following: -Launch was good numbers -Dropoff relatively fast -But this dropoff was expected -And alongside the studio problems and importance of Anthem, decision was made early to focus on Anthem instead of MEA content, barring a surprise MEA hit and large player retention (in which case maybe 1-2 major DLC could happen) That is, they were prepping to be done before launch, then launch was there and good but not strong enough afterward to keep the studio going those months longer. None of this means Mass Effect is dead. However, it does reflect what EA officials have stated or implied - that the series is on 'ice' to defrost potentially next console gen with an even more reevaluated design (this doesn't mean just new things, but could mean return of old things; it just means deliberation and intention instead of MEA's more 'make another one!, but 'fresh'). The book will tell the story of Quarian ark and I'm almost certain that either a next main game or other side media (spinoff, comic, book, otherwise) will address at least some other perceived loose threads. We can't have certainty about the next game's details because it'll be so long. Maybe it'll have Milky Way, maybe not. Maybe it'll have Andromeda, maybe not. Maybe it'll have both or neither. We just know Milky Way had its events in some sort, and Andromeda has Milky Way peoples centuries after, establishing what can become and advanced foothold. I agree with what you are saying, but I would think Anthem just plays less of a role because the majority of staff didn't get folded back into BioWare, but Motive Studios. What I was just trying to indicate is I don't think the game was a flop, for a flop to me brings for the idea of a complete failure and I just don't see that happening EA did talk negatively about Dead Space when it didn't do well, but has said on the side of positive things about Andromeda, just not that it exceeded their expectations.
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Post by Sanunes on Jun 12, 2018 6:27:38 GMT
I agree 100%, but Bioware is in a no win situation IMO. I do not envy them at all. lol Honestly I don't think its a bad idea to decide to not have romances (at least at start of game/franchise) but instead (perhaps - we'll see the product) have romance-esque relationships with NPCs in the hub city. Romance-esque as in 'advanced and progressing', not actually romantic. Deep friendships (or rivalries? or other?). If anything, use that as a writing test, and you don't even carry along the Bioware romance stigma, while being open to the Bioware romance appeal later. If they are able to copy the non-romance friendships they had in Mass Effect 3 / Citadel DLC I am going to fine with it. Its like not having companions out in combat, to me they never added much for they were a source of frustration most of the time with bad AI and repeating the same few banter dialogue sequences. The real conversations were on the ship or hub locations you visited so if they can continue those conversations I am probably not even notice they aren't in my party and if they focus on making those better I doubt I will miss romances/combat companions.
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Post by SwobyJ on Jun 12, 2018 6:28:33 GMT
Yeah I err on the side of Mass Effect happening as long as Bioware is in good graces, development of games goes smoothly enough, the market demand seems to still exist, and Casey Hudson is still around. Knock each of those pillars down and maybe I'll get more worried.
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Post by Kappa Neko on Jun 12, 2018 6:38:15 GMT
Not the lack of romances but the lack of companions in a Bioware game is a dealbreaker for me. I’m just hoping that there’s a fair amount of interesting NPC’s we can interact with. I don’t mind having to go solo (I’m probably going to lone wolf the bulk of the game), but I don’t want my character to be a damn mute like Destiny. Yeah that is usually my main concern with OPEN WORLD games. The silence of the lone hero. Bioware games have spoiled me in that department. Companions and general banter is what makes their games so special to me. One of the best mods for FO4 is Player Comments that I wish I'd installed WAY sooner. It simulates a certain rapport with the environment and the companions. One thing I really liked about FO4 was that for the first time companions had personality. They were annoying in Skyrim with the exception of Serana who had a very Bioware -esque story and personality. They made a real effort with FO4 to engage the player emotionally. No doubt to emulate Bioware's success in that department. And imo it worked quite well. That little mod basically turned the Sole Survivor into sarcastic Hawke and it's incredibly fun!! Romances are a nice extra if done right but I've been saying for years that this extra element got out of hand and ate too much of the budget. You can't win the inclusion game. And it becomes most problematic with romances. But companions of SOME sort have become a feature in many games since Bioware made it their success formula. And it's GREAT. Even if it's just one NPC like in God of War, human interaction is popular, not just in RPGs. Hell, even Farcry 5 has companions... of sorts. You can take along two and they will even talk to each other. I'm not saying all Bioware games need to have companions and romances. It's just am observation I find interesting. As for leaving their old fans in the dust with Anthem: that is intentional. They want NEW players. They did this with ME2 too when they went for something A LOT more flashy. It's good business to inject new blood into the player pool. Bethesda is doing the exact same thing right now with Fallout 76. The timing of that is just uncanny, lol. Never played a shooter before ME1 and look at me now. It's also a good thing for players, generally speaking, to try new things. It broadens the pool of games to choose from. Fanbases will then overlap and merge. And that's great. In theory. Games still need to deliver for anybody to be swayed. So change is good. Bad games are just... bad.
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Post by vhiran on Jun 12, 2018 7:17:58 GMT
Kinda glad. Bioware has shoehorned romances whether they fit or not and they weren't always good.
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Post by LogicGunn on Jun 12, 2018 12:45:07 GMT
Always been on the fence about Anthem. Bit more interested with E3. I really like the romances in DA and ME, but I don't think every.game needs them and I'd rather have none than a badly I romance thing shoehorned in (a la Skyrim).
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Post by KaiserShep on Jun 12, 2018 15:07:36 GMT
Kinda glad. Bioware has shoehorned romances whether they fit or not and they weren't always good. I think the mistake BioWare made was that romances were, at least most of the time, tied to subordinates. Your character was the leader and a follower was available as a love interest. If somehow BioWare managed to write actual romance-able characters in this game, they could just be NPC's that aren't tied to your own character's story, as if the PC has an actual life outside of stuffing inside a Javelin. Obviously I don't really expect that to happen, but I think that in future singleplayer Bio games, they could try to establish more substantial characters that aren't followers in combat.
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Post by Steelcan on Jun 12, 2018 15:11:46 GMT
Kinda glad. Bioware has shoehorned romances whether they fit or not and they weren't always good. I think the mistake BioWare made was that romances were, at least most of the time, tied to subordinates. Your character was the leader and a follower was available as a love interest. If somehow BioWare managed to write actual romance-able characters in this game, they could just be NPC's that aren't tied to your own character's story, as if the PC has an actual life outside of stuffing inside a Javelin. Obviously I don't really expect that to happen, but I think that in future singleplayer Bio games, they could try to establish more substantial characters that aren't followers in combat. I mean BioWare has been trying to break from that with limited success, DA:I did it pretty well, ME:A less so
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Post by LogicGunn on Jun 12, 2018 15:40:42 GMT
I think the mistake BioWare made was that romances were, at least most of the time, tied to subordinates. Your character was the leader and a follower was available as a love interest. If somehow BioWare managed to write actual romance-able characters in this game, they could just be NPC's that aren't tied to your own character's story, as if the PC has an actual life outside of stuffing inside a Javelin. Obviously I don't really expect that to happen, but I think that in future singleplayer Bio games, they could try to establish more substantial characters that aren't followers in combat. I mean BioWare has been trying to break from that with limited success, DA:I did it pretty well, ME:A less so I think part of my issue with non-party LIs is how hard it is to make the amount of time spent on a non-party romance similar to that of a team member. If you're not exploring with them the romance is going to happen in fits and bursts (a la Josephine, Suvi, Gil etc) so it feels less like a real relationship and more like a port in a storm. Going back to the Tempest or Skyhold never acknowledged the separations and being off base never acknowledged any kind of longing or loneliness. It's hard to portray that kind of bitty physical separation without diminishing the emotional continuation in game form without resorting to an awkward, contrived "hey, how's your love interest" conversation with your team when you go off adventuring. Which inevitably translates to smaller romances with less effort and which are less satisfying. There's something to be said for casual party banter and the exploration of relationships, romantic or not, involving the PC or not. The development of the Bull-Dorian relationship was very well done in little party banter snippets in DAI, in a more natural way than walking in on them might have.
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Post by KaiserShep on Jun 12, 2018 17:31:04 GMT
I think the mistake BioWare made was that romances were, at least most of the time, tied to subordinates. Your character was the leader and a follower was available as a love interest. If somehow BioWare managed to write actual romance-able characters in this game, they could just be NPC's that aren't tied to your own character's story, as if the PC has an actual life outside of stuffing inside a Javelin. Obviously I don't really expect that to happen, but I think that in future singleplayer Bio games, they could try to establish more substantial characters that aren't followers in combat. I mean BioWare has been trying to break from that with limited success, DA:I did it pretty well, ME:A less so I think Inquisition did it the best so far. I'll admit that I forgot about Reyes, Keri and that Angaran curator in the museum on Aya, especially the last one. Didn't even know she was an option until I saw the wiki page.
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Post by Destructive Deer on Jun 12, 2018 18:02:39 GMT
For me it's the final nail in the coffin. No interesting story at E3. No interesting characters at E3. Visually almost identical to Destiny. A really annoying focus on multiplayer. And today I googled to see if they even have any romance left, but nope. That's gone too now. This is further emphasized because I've been replaying Borderlands 2 with a friend, as I'm trying to introduce him to the franchise. Borderlands 2 does everything Anthem is trying to be, but better. It has an interesting story/lore, it has interesting characters (and one of gaming's best villains, ever), it has RNG loot/guns/etc., you can play it with multiplayer with buddies or alone, it's got style, humour and character, 4 classes (6 if you include DLC), boss battles/raids, higher difficulties to challenge yourself... All of that, already done way back in 2012. You're 6 years late, Bioware, and you're still behind. What about Destiny? Are they not "way behind" based on that logic?🙄 I haven't played Destiny myself because it looks boring as hell to me, but based on the mediocre player reviews Destiny has gotten, compared to almost universal praise for Borderlands 2.... Yes. Yes, I'm absolutely saying Destiny is behind Borderlands 2.
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Post by wright1978 on Jun 12, 2018 19:03:05 GMT
Thought mike gambles answer on romances was just weird. ‘We didn’t want them to be a highlight’. Also going on about Garrus when it was perfectly possible to be his friend and lover. Also thought didn’t sound particularly rpg that they have predefined who your characters best friend is.
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Post by SofaJockey on Jun 12, 2018 20:12:14 GMT
Thought mike gambles answer on romances was just weird. ‘We didn’t want them to be a highlight’. Perhaps instead: ‘We didn’t want them to be a distraction’ ‘We didn’t want them to dominate the articles/marketing' ‘We didn’t want them to cause a shitstorm (SJWs pushing it down throat)’’
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Post by spacev3gan on Jun 12, 2018 21:13:52 GMT
Do people want romances? In a Looter-Shooter game? There is something seriously odd here.
Though my two cents is that some people who are hyped for Anthem might not be aware of what a Looter-Shooter actually is, which is a game for you to gather some friends and grind for loot together. There aren't even companions. NPCs are for the most part either vendors or quest givers. Solo play if available is a mere compromise. So really, it is extremely unlikely that there will be romance.
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