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Post by dropzofcrimzon on Jun 27, 2018 2:16:42 GMT
The concept by itself as gameplay, visuals and atmosphere goes is straight down my alley. As a BIOWARE game tho? No, it's not what I'd want from them. It's a destiny clone that should have been given to another company not Buoware. And it's creation indirectly caused the failures of Andromeda.
I've got the feeling that the Bio we knew arrived at a Pivotal Point with Anthem. I doubt we will see any future ME or MA type games for at least the next 10 years, especially if Anthem is a success.
DA4 may be the last of the "Old Bio". Even then, I expect some serious design changes.
Hence why I'm hoping for total failure
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Post by Deleted on Jun 27, 2018 3:01:49 GMT
I've got the feeling that the Bio we knew arrived at a Pivotal Point with Anthem. I doubt we will see any future ME or MA type games for at least the next 10 years, especially if Anthem is a success.
DA4 may be the last of the "Old Bio". Even then, I expect some serious design changes.
Hence why I'm hoping for total failure You're just a bright ray of sunshine now aren't you? Assuming Anthem does flop hard there's a good chance that EA will just close down Bioware and with it killing any chance of DA4. Not saying that's what will happen but given EA's track record it's a good possibility.
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Post by goishen on Jun 27, 2018 3:10:27 GMT
oh ok, glad to see you're covering all the bases... Maybe this is just a game you don't like? One not made for you? The concept by itself as gameplay, visuals and atmosphere goes is straight down my alley. As a BIOWARE game tho? No, it's not what I'd want from them. It's a destiny clone that should have been given to another company not Buoware. And it's creation indirectly caused the failures of Andromeda. Not according to Darrah. "It's everybody else's fault we failed." -- Rallying cry of the SJW propagandist.
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Post by helios969 on Jun 27, 2018 8:58:07 GMT
The concept by itself as gameplay, visuals and atmosphere goes is straight down my alley. As a BIOWARE game tho? No, it's not what I'd want from them. It's a destiny clone that should have been given to another company not Buoware. And it's creation indirectly caused the failures of Andromeda. Not according to Darrah. "It's everybody else's fault we failed." -- Rallying cry of the SJW propagandist. The irony in that statement.
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Post by dropzofcrimzon on Jun 27, 2018 11:05:15 GMT
Hence why I'm hoping for total failure You're just a bright ray of sunshine now aren't you? Assuming Anthem does flop hard there's a good chance that EA will just close down Bioware and with it killing any chance of DA4. Not saying that's what will happen but given EA's track record it's a good possibility. Circle of life. EA kills a studio. It gets disbanded, talent picked up by other studios/companies. New studios are born and new games are made. Take for instance Ninja Theory. Too big to be an indy, too small to be a true AAA studio. About to go under it is picked up by MS as a first party studio and is now poised to become their equivalent of SSM or RAD. Sorry. I Will miss DA4. But again I'd rather see the studio die and be picked up by another company (or what is left of them) than see them turn into bungie.
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Post by goishen on Jun 27, 2018 15:39:56 GMT
Yah, it doesn't work that way, unfortunately.
EA would still be sitting on the IP. EA's a prick about letting the IP go unless it's for some absurd amount of money or they wanna license it out. That way they get to keep it and draw cash from whoever's registers without having to do a fucking thing.
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Post by bshep on Jun 27, 2018 19:07:38 GMT
Not according to Darrah. "It's everybody else's fault we failed." -- Rallying cry of the SJW propagandist. The irony in that statement.
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Post by smilesja on Jun 28, 2018 6:46:35 GMT
It’s actually hilarious that many people want Bioware to close.
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Post by PillarBiter on Jun 28, 2018 7:01:37 GMT
It’s actually hilarious that many people want Bioware to close. NOT many people. Just a very vocal, very selfserving minority.
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Post by helios969 on Jun 28, 2018 8:38:00 GMT
It’s actually hilarious that many people want Bioware to close. NOT many people. Just a very vocal, very selfserving minority. Pretty sad those few. I can't have what I want so no one should! Never mind the larger ramifications of desiring a game or company to fail...like the number of employees that could suffer downsizing as a result...likely good people doing good work who have little control over the content in the game. Some people just don't have a grasp on the bigger picture.
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Post by PillarBiter on Jun 28, 2018 8:51:09 GMT
NOT many people. Just a very vocal, very selfserving minority. Pretty sad those few. I can't have what I want so no one should! Never mind the larger ramifications of desiring a game or company to fail...like the number of employees that could suffer downsizing as a result...likely good people doing good work who have little control over the content in the game. Some people just don't have a grasp on the bigger picture reality, as they're sheltered little snowflakes. Added for nuanced emphasis.
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Post by dropzofcrimzon on Jun 28, 2018 12:44:15 GMT
NOT many people. Just a very vocal, very selfserving minority. Pretty sad those few. I can't have what I want so no one should! Never mind the larger ramifications of desiring a game or company to fail...like the number of employees that could suffer downsizing as a result...likely good people doing good work who have little control over the content in the game. Some people just don't have a grasp on the bigger picture. LOL free market ringing a bell? If what they do (Bioware) is met with resistance/backlash then consequences happen because of the failure. That is why that seahag Kathleen Kennedy is getting fired by Disney sometimes soon (hopefully sooner than later) Those companies understand MONEY. BTW if you like shared world games there are PLENTY out there, Bioware did not need to be put on this. There are NOT a lot of companies making Bioware style games, ex fucking cuse me for wanting to keep enjoying the kind of game I actually like. It's as if you had a favorite pizza joint that all of a sudden decided to put pizza on the back burner to do Chinese food because the owners decided that "oh hey Chinese food makes a lot of money, let's do that" when 1: there are other Chinese food joints in the area and 2: in order to make the preparations for this shift you already spent quite a but producing subpar pizza (which you then blame on your pizza not getting a fair share because of the fact another pizza joint has opened recently because God forbid you take responsibility for fucking up). So 2 things are gonna happen Either 1: the project fails (which leads to 2 possible outcomes) or 2 : the project is a success which, since the owner only understands money and has already basically demoed the brick oven, leads them to just keep making Chinese food Translating this to our situation In case #1 happens either A: EA tries to regroup and puts Bioware back on track doing SINGLE PLAYER narrative driven games the way they used to or B: they shoot bioware in the back of the head and the studio is dissolved likely blaming sexism, misogynistic patriarchy or the release of Metro Exodus for the failure. It is sad but at this point this is the only way we would get old style bioware games again. Either by EA settings them back straight or dissolving the studio which then might result in the talent being picked up to form another studio which is kind of like what happened to 343 and the coalition or respawn entertainment to mention a few. If #2 happens...well say goodbye to old school Bioware games. DA will likely follow suit with Anthem (it already had hints in Inquisition), Mass Effect will remain shelved since the plug was already pulled and Bioware will have transitioned into Bungie. So I'd rather see Bioware dissolved if that is the case.
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Post by Pounce de León on Jun 28, 2018 15:21:55 GMT
Meh, hate all you want. I don't care. That level of hate is just the same as overhype just in the opposite way, lol.
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Post by Andrew Waples on Jun 28, 2018 15:32:58 GMT
It’s actually hilarious that many people want Bioware to close. I wonder if BioWare fans and Star Wars fans are the same people...🙄
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Post by Iakus on Jun 28, 2018 15:41:52 GMT
Pretty sad those few. I can't have what I want so no one should! Never mind the larger ramifications of desiring a game or company to fail...like the number of employees that could suffer downsizing as a result...likely good people doing good work who have little control over the content in the game. Some people just don't have a grasp on the bigger picture. LOL free market ringing a bell? If what they do (Bioware) is met with resistance/backlash then consequences happen because of the failure. That is why that seahag Kathleen Kennedy is getting fired by Disney sometimes soon (hopefully sooner than later) Those companies understand MONEY. BTW if you like shared world games there are PLENTY out there, Bioware did not need to be put on this. There are NOT a lot of companies making Bioware style games, ex fucking cuse me for wanting to keep enjoying the kind of game I actually like. It's as if you had a favorite pizza joint that all of a sudden decided to put pizza on the back burner to do Chinese food because the owners decided that "oh hey Chinese food makes a lot of money, let's do that" when 1: there are other Chinese food joints in the area and 2: in order to make the preparations for this shift you already spent quite a but producing subpar pizza (which you then blame on your pizza not getting a fair share because of the fact another pizza joint has opened recently because God forbid you take responsibility for fucking up). So 2 things are gonna happen Either 1: the project fails (which leads to 2 possible outcomes) or 2 : the project is a success which, since the owner only understands money and has already basically demoed the brick oven, leads them to just keep making Chinese food Translating this to our situation In case #1 happens either A: EA tries to regroup and puts Bioware back on track doing SINGLE PLAYER narrative driven games the way they used to or B: they shoot bioware in the back of the head and the studio is dissolved likely blaming sexism, misogynistic patriarchy or the release of Metro Exodus for the failure. It is sad but at this point this is the only way we would get old style bioware games again. Either by EA settings them back straight or dissolving the studio which then might result in the talent being picked up to form another studio which is kind of like what happened to 343 and the coalition or respawn entertainment to mention a few. If #2 happens...well say goodbye to old school Bioware games. DA will likely follow suit with Anthem (it already had hints in Inquisition), Mass Effect will remain shelved since the plug was already pulled and Bioware will have transitioned into Bungie. So I'd rather see Bioware dissolved if that is the case. Bioware hasn't been Bioware in a decade now. They really need to find their roots before EA does the back of the head thing to them like they've done to other studios. If you want a great single-player narrative game, try Deadfire. It even has a form of New Game+ in the form of Berath Blessings.
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Post by smilesja on Jun 28, 2018 16:46:27 GMT
As much as people want it, EA won’t end their biggest company.
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Post by bshep on Jun 28, 2018 17:29:27 GMT
Put it like this: The last three Bioware game, Mass Effect 3, Dragon Age Inquisition and Mass Effect Andromeda, all generated profit. So Bioware is not closing down soon no matter how you cry about some fantasy of them "returning to their roots" as the only way to avoid a financial and moral bankruptcy.
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Post by dropzofcrimzon on Jun 28, 2018 21:15:47 GMT
Put it like this: The last three Bioware game, Mass Effect 3, Dragon Age Inquisition and Mass Effect Andromeda, all generated profit. So Bioware is not closing down soon no matter how you cry about some fantasy of them "returning to their roots" as the only way to avoid a financial and moral bankruptcy. you know...Mass Effect andromeda produced ssssooooo much revenue that the studio that made it was dissolved and the sequel and DLC scrapped. Yup...amazing Btw, Bioware ended development on Shadow Realms too who work on this, meaning A LOT of their eggs are in this basket, so if this fails it will be a spectacular omelette.
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Post by dropzofcrimzon on Jun 28, 2018 21:17:29 GMT
LOL free market ringing a bell? If what they do (Bioware) is met with resistance/backlash then consequences happen because of the failure. That is why that seahag Kathleen Kennedy is getting fired by Disney sometimes soon (hopefully sooner than later) Those companies understand MONEY. BTW if you like shared world games there are PLENTY out there, Bioware did not need to be put on this. There are NOT a lot of companies making Bioware style games, ex fucking cuse me for wanting to keep enjoying the kind of game I actually like. It's as if you had a favorite pizza joint that all of a sudden decided to put pizza on the back burner to do Chinese food because the owners decided that "oh hey Chinese food makes a lot of money, let's do that" when 1: there are other Chinese food joints in the area and 2: in order to make the preparations for this shift you already spent quite a but producing subpar pizza (which you then blame on your pizza not getting a fair share because of the fact another pizza joint has opened recently because God forbid you take responsibility for fucking up). So 2 things are gonna happen Either 1: the project fails (which leads to 2 possible outcomes) or 2 : the project is a success which, since the owner only understands money and has already basically demoed the brick oven, leads them to just keep making Chinese food Translating this to our situation In case #1 happens either A: EA tries to regroup and puts Bioware back on track doing SINGLE PLAYER narrative driven games the way they used to or B: they shoot bioware in the back of the head and the studio is dissolved likely blaming sexism, misogynistic patriarchy or the release of Metro Exodus for the failure. It is sad but at this point this is the only way we would get old style bioware games again. Either by EA settings them back straight or dissolving the studio which then might result in the talent being picked up to form another studio which is kind of like what happened to 343 and the coalition or respawn entertainment to mention a few. If #2 happens...well say goodbye to old school Bioware games. DA will likely follow suit with Anthem (it already had hints in Inquisition), Mass Effect will remain shelved since the plug was already pulled and Bioware will have transitioned into Bungie. So I'd rather see Bioware dissolved if that is the case. Bioware hasn't been Bioware in a decade now. They really need to find their roots before EA does the back of the head thing to them like they've done to other studios. If you want a great single-player narrative game, try Deadfire. It even has a form of New Game+ in the form of Berath Blessings. eeeehhhhh I'd have to play the first one too tho.
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Post by dropzofcrimzon on Jun 28, 2018 21:24:44 GMT
As much as people want it, EA won’t end their biggest company. please look up Fifa and the studio that makes it then we can talk about who the biggest EA company is Also look up Visceral...look at their games and what they were working on before they got shut down and who was working on it for them.
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Post by rras1994 on Jun 28, 2018 21:27:08 GMT
Put it like this: The last three Bioware game, Mass Effect 3, Dragon Age Inquisition and Mass Effect Andromeda, all generated profit. So Bioware is not closing down soon no matter how you cry about some fantasy of them "returning to their roots" as the only way to avoid a financial and moral bankruptcy. you know...Mass Effect andromeda produced ssssooooo much revenue that the studio that made it was dissolved. Yup...amazing Btw, Bioware ended development on Shadow Eealms too who work on this, meaning A LOT of their eggs are in this basket, so if this fails it will be a spectacular omelette. The studio was dissolved into EA Motive (which is producing a new IP and also needed alot more staff) cus they spent 3 years of MEA development trying to do procedurally generated planets which didn't work, so they then had to take staff from Anthem, DA4 and SWTOR to make the game in 18 months - it had nothing to do with reception (we know MEA was financially sucessful as it's mentioned as such in two EA Investor Reports which they legally can't lie in) as they pretty much started moving staff right after launch - how could they know how well it was doing that early?
It doesn't change the fact that MEA was financially sucesfull, ME3 and DAI were their two most sucessful games, and they haven't made a financially unsucessful game since being in EA - but before EA they were running out of money. And Anthem "fails" EA will give time to course correct - they've done it before with SWTOR and that was just as big an investment if not bigger - and now SWTOR has made them alot of money - they also have DA4 project and SWTOR to put staff into. It is highly unlikely it would end BioWare, it took Visceral 3 financially unsucessful games and a failed 3 year project to close it. EA don't close studios that easily despite what the memes say. And BioWare is a sucessful studio for them. More sucessful then when it wasn't under EA's umbrella.
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Post by dropzofcrimzon on Jun 28, 2018 21:34:19 GMT
you know...Mass Effect andromeda produced ssssooooo much revenue that the studio that made it was dissolved. Yup...amazing Btw, Bioware ended development on Shadow Eealms too who work on this, meaning A LOT of their eggs are in this basket, so if this fails it will be a spectacular omelette. The studio was dissolved into EA Motive (which is producing a new IP and also needed alot more staff) cus they spent 3 years of MEA development trying to do procedurally generated planets which didn't work, so they then had to take staff from Anthem, DA4 and SWTOR to make the game in 18 months - it had nothing to do with reception (we know MEA was financially sucessful as it's mentioned as such in two EA Investor Reports which they legally can't lie in) as they pretty much started moving staff right after launch - how could they know how well it was doing that early?
It doesn't change the fact that MEA was financially sucesfull, ME3 and DAI were their two most sucessful games, and they haven't made a financially unsucessful game since being in EA - but before EA they were running out of money. And Anthem "fails" EA will give time to course correct - they've done it before with SWTOR and that was just as big an investment if not bigger - and now SWTOR has made them alot of money - they also have DA4 project and SWTOR to put staff into. It is highly unlikely it would end BioWare, it took Visceral 3 financially unsucessful games and a failed 3 year project to close it. EA don't close studios that easily despite what the memes say. And BioWare is a sucessful studio for them. More sucessful then when it wasn't under EA's umbrella.
lol sure, ray tell what happened to MEA2, the MEA story DLC and the the sequel to dead space 3 after it was poorly received tho it made them still a profit? (Btw the only unsuccessful Dead Space game was the 3d one and for good reasons) Oh that right....the plug was pulled (and EA knew exactly how poorly MEA was going to be received thanks to...well, the fact that their employees have eyes, ears and also because of the advance copies they sent out) Try to rationalize it as much as you want, I anthem fails it might be a bullet to the back of the head of Bioware. That or they get put back to make their old games again, either or, it's a win for me.
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Post by bshep on Jun 28, 2018 21:38:56 GMT
Put it like this: The last three Bioware game, Mass Effect 3, Dragon Age Inquisition and Mass Effect Andromeda, all generated profit. So Bioware is not closing down soon no matter how you cry about some fantasy of them "returning to their roots" as the only way to avoid a financial and moral bankruptcy. you know...Mass Effect andromeda produced ssssooooo much revenue that the studio that made it was dissolved and the sequel and DLC scrapped. Yup...amazing Btw, Bioware ended development on Shadow Realms too who work on this, meaning A LOT of their eggs are in this basket, so if this fails it will be a spectacular omelette. Then go look at EA reports for their shareholders. When a game generate revenue they said it, just as they also said when the contrary happens (for instance in Titanfall case).
But i guess you will probably say they are lying too in a legal document just to support your idea.
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Post by rras1994 on Jun 28, 2018 21:47:21 GMT
The studio was dissolved into EA Motive (which is producing a new IP and also needed alot more staff) cus they spent 3 years of MEA development trying to do procedurally generated planets which didn't work, so they then had to take staff from Anthem, DA4 and SWTOR to make the game in 18 months - it had nothing to do with reception (we know MEA was financially sucessful as it's mentioned as such in two EA Investor Reports which they legally can't lie in) as they pretty much started moving staff right after launch - how could they know how well it was doing that early?
It doesn't change the fact that MEA was financially sucesfull, ME3 and DAI were their two most sucessful games, and they haven't made a financially unsucessful game since being in EA - but before EA they were running out of money. And Anthem "fails" EA will give time to course correct - they've done it before with SWTOR and that was just as big an investment if not bigger - and now SWTOR has made them alot of money - they also have DA4 project and SWTOR to put staff into. It is highly unlikely it would end BioWare, it took Visceral 3 financially unsucessful games and a failed 3 year project to close it. EA don't close studios that easily despite what the memes say. And BioWare is a sucessful studio for them. More sucessful then when it wasn't under EA's umbrella.
lol sure, ray tell what happened to MEA2, the MEA story DLC and the the sequel to dead space 3 after it was poorly received tho it made them still a profit? Oh that right....the plug was pulled Try to rationalize it as much as you want, I anthem fails it might be a bullet to the back of the head of Bioware. That or they get put back to make their old games again, either or, it's a win for me. Dead Space 3 didn't make a profit - neither did Dead Space 2 or Battlefield Hardline. It took 3 financially unsucessful games and a failed project that had 3 years iin their most expensive studio to close Visceral.
And I'll tell you what happened to MEA2 and MEA's DLC -as I said before they had to take a hell of alot of staff from Austin and Edmonton to get MEA out, which has delayed Anthem which was originally meant to be a 2017 game, delayed DA4 which was meant to be a pre 2020 game, and led to them changing their expansion plans for SWTOR. Making MEA dlc/MEA 2 right away would have meant taking more devs from those projects - they weren't going to want to have to delay them more. They weren't going to use Montreal for it as they weren't ready to manage a base game on their own yet. A game can be financially sucessful and it still make more sense to use the resources on other projects. And BioWare are not going to go back to the pre-EA games you prefer - like I said earlier they didn't make money. EA BioWare is sucessful and huge - they aren't going to get rid of it for one failed project (and the likelihood of Anthem failing is not very high in the first place) when every other project under them is sucessful.
Also the fact you count loads of people losing their jobs as a "win" for you is pretty sad. Just stop following BioWare if you don't like them anymore. It's that easy. Also, don't like Anthem? Stop spending your time in the Anthem section
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Post by x19dude95 on Jun 29, 2018 0:30:20 GMT
I’m still feeling betrayed by bungie with destiny so I have no interest in a game like this.
I just want DA4
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