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Post by Deleted on May 20, 2018 14:09:52 GMT
But I suppose, it's possible, why not? I need to know because if the ending where hardened Ali rules and Logh is GW is possible, than I will re-evaluate the endings. I didn't know it was possible to do that. IF hardened Ali rules (and makes excuse that he won't join the party because he's King) while Logh joins party than I'll change the requirements. It will be 1) Anora + Ali married, Logh excuted lvl 9 2) Alistair rules and Logh is GW lvl 10 3) Ali + Anora rule and Logh is GW lvl 13
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Post by Deleted on May 20, 2018 14:51:56 GMT
Sorry guys, I asked in the 'what you did today in da' section and the players told me that hardened Alistair will always execute Loghain if he is made King alone regardless of whether the Warden or Alistair duels Logh.
The original plan lvl 8 for Anora + Logh GW or Ali+Anora and Logh GW at lvl 13 stands.
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Post by Space Cowboy on May 20, 2018 15:05:08 GMT
But I suppose, it's possible, why not? I need to know because if the ending where hardened Ali rules and Logh is GW is possible, than I will re-evaluate the endings. I didn't know it was possible to do that. IF hardened Ali rules (and makes excuse that he won't join the party because he's King) while Logh joins party than I'll change the requirements. It will be 1) Anora + Ali married, Logh excuted lvl 9 2) Alistair rules and Logh is GW lvl 10 3) Ali + Anora rule and Logh is GW lvl 13 I I had a quick look on my phone. It's hard to follow but I think if Alistair is hardened Loghain gets executed. They can't both exist as wardens. So probaby should drop the extra options?
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Post by gervaise21 on May 20, 2018 15:22:31 GMT
Yep the Wiki confirms this. No matter what you decide as Warden if Alistair rules alone he will order Loghain's execution. However, if married to Anora he will kick up a stink but has to accept Loghain joining the Grey Wardens. For the record, in my playthrough where I did this, Loghain then did the ultimate sacrifice and Alistair grudgingly admitted to me at the celebrations that I had probably made the right call. Whilst you need meta knowledge to choose this, I feel it is the best outcome. Loghain was happy to die for his country (and begged me not to make him do the ritual with Morrigan), Alistair is king with Anora which actually makes for a successful partnership ruling the country and my Warden survived to live with Zevran.
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Post by romice on May 20, 2018 15:26:41 GMT
Yea, if you want Loghain to live (as I usually do) you have to choose king Ali with Anora as queen or drunk Ali. If he is made king on his own, he throws Anora in a tower and kills Loghain. I'm officially stuck at level 9. I don't really have time to try again today, maybe tomorrow will be more lucky
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Post by Catilina on May 20, 2018 15:47:25 GMT
Sorry guys, I asked in the 'what you did today in da' section and the players told me that hardened Alistair will always execute Loghain if he is made King alone regardless of whether the Warden or Alistair duels Logh. The original plan lvl 8 for Anora + Logh GW or Ali+Anora and Logh GW at lvl 13 stands. It's logical, he's the King, and Loghain's a traitor... but what about the Right of Conscription...? Eh, Alistair, Alistair!
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Post by Deleted on May 20, 2018 15:55:49 GMT
It's logical, he's the King, and Loghain's a traitor... but what about the Right of Conscription...? Eh, Alistair, Alistair! Alistair suffers from the romantic delusions regarding the Wardens. Even his favourite Duncan has the shadiest past ever being a rogue. In any case, lvl 8 or 13 are the real options if you don't wish to execute Loghain.
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Post by sgtreed24 on May 20, 2018 18:10:24 GMT
So long as there is justice for the King and troops at Ostagar! You know forcing him to become a Grey Warden could be seen as a better punishment than simply executing him. Also poetic justice considering he wiped out the majority of the Grey Wardens in Ferelden at the same time as he betrayed the King. It is not as though being a Grey Warden is a pleasant experience what with the nightmares and the taint in your blood. Only Cailan and Alistair have this romanticised view of the Wardens as some noble order of chivalry. Many Wardens have a murky past but see becoming a member as a way of atoning for it. I'd also add that whilst I abhor what he did to the ordinary troops and Grey Wardens, if Loghain hadn't used such an underhanded way of getting rid of Cailan I'd have considered his actions justified. After all Cailan was planning on selling out Ferelden to Orlais by divorcing Anora and marrying Celene; that wasn't a figment of Loghain's prejudiced imagination. I consider it a personal betrayal as both my warden and alistair are there when it happens and thus he should die at their hands, not the darkspawn, or the archdemon.
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Post by sgtreed24 on May 20, 2018 18:19:13 GMT
adonnielpfft, best ending says you. Best ending is Loghain is executed by either the warden or alistair, the dark ritual is done, the archdemon is slain and everyone but the traitor lives. That's the only way I play it lol. But since the ritual is out, I need to know if there's a way to kill logahin and still slay the archdemon? (without the warden dying)
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Post by Catilina on May 20, 2018 18:24:36 GMT
adonniel pfft, best ending says you. Best ending is Loghain is executed by either the warden or alistair, the dark ritual is done, the archdemon is slain and everyone but the traitor lives. That's the only way I play it lol. But since the ritual is out, I need to know if there's a way to kill logahin and still slay the archdemon? (without the warden dying) Alistair can kill the Arch Demon too (and die). So: if we don't have Morrigan, the Warden, Alistair or Loghain must die.
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Post by sgtreed24 on May 20, 2018 18:46:21 GMT
adonniel pfft, best ending says you. Best ending is Loghain is executed by either the warden or alistair, the dark ritual is done, the archdemon is slain and everyone but the traitor lives. That's the only way I play it lol. But since the ritual is out, I need to know if there's a way to kill logahin and still slay the archdemon? (without the warden dying) Alistair can kill the Arch Demon too (and die). So: if we don't have Morrigan, the Warden, Alistair or Loghain must die. Does that mean at "lvl10" where Alistair and Anora marry and loghain is executed... alistair can still die to slay the archdemon and the warden still lives? If so, I know what level I'm going for...
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Post by pelassarias on May 20, 2018 18:56:18 GMT
Since executing Loghain will result in one of our own players getting eliminated since Loghain is still in play in this game, I highly suggest the rest of the Heroes either make it to level 8 or 13 if they don't want Alistair to become a drunk. If we vote off a Hero and get Loghain executed, and the Hero we voted off was not Loghain, the spies will win since they'll still have their nightly kill left. At least if we save Loghain and possibly vote off a Hero, we'll still have a chance for a tiebreaker. And I personally think he's the perfect candidate for the ultimate sacrifice, since we can't perform the dark ritual. Also: I finally did it! . Just two or one more to go.
ETA: Also managed to do Tauriel who was a bit harder for me for some reason
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Post by romice on May 20, 2018 18:57:16 GMT
Alistair can kill the Arch Demon too (and die). So: if we don't have Morrigan, the Warden, Alistair or Loghain must die. Does that mean at "lvl10" where Alistair and Anora marry and loghain is executed... alistair can still die to slay the archdemon and the warden still lives? If so, I know what level I'm going for... Well, then I'll have to go through level 8 with the blond guy and the dark hair guy (yup, I'm a noob where it comes to LoTR) before you manage the 10th level Edit: wow, pela congrats I'm still stuck at 9
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Post by Deleted on May 20, 2018 19:21:55 GMT
Does that mean at "lvl10" where Alistair and Anora marry and loghain is executed... alistair can still die to slay the archdemon and the warden still lives? Providing you vote off a spy this round, you will get the choice who sacrifices themselves, Ali or your Warden.
I have not stated so far as I wanted you guys to go without google cheating to make choices which heroes you liked the most and because surprise. :3 It is worth mentioning at this point that 3 eliminated heroes who have highest affinities will return to assist in the story and you would be able to use their special abilities before/during the final battle.
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Post by sgtreed24 on May 20, 2018 19:36:26 GMT
I thought it was just for the story? Like how alistair was eliminated but came back for the story... I figured Loghain has to actually be voted out by the villains to be eliminated??
Cause I have all the screenshots I need. I need a confirmation on this, because if Loghain being executed in the story also kills the player before the vote then... I'll have to up my levels to 13.
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Post by gervaise21 on May 20, 2018 19:37:37 GMT
Well done, Pela. That is some serious dedication there.
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Post by gervaise21 on May 20, 2018 19:40:13 GMT
Cause I have all the screenshots I need. I need a confirmation on this, because if Loghain being executed in the story also kills the player before the vote then... I'll have to up my levels to 13. As I understand it that is exactly what Adonniel was saying.
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Post by Space Cowboy on May 20, 2018 19:41:22 GMT
Gogo Pelashale!
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Post by sgtreed24 on May 20, 2018 20:02:14 GMT
That doesn't really make any sense in regards to how the game has been played so far, but ok, fine:
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Post by Space Cowboy on May 20, 2018 20:22:03 GMT
Great job Reed!
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Post by Deleted on May 20, 2018 20:27:06 GMT
That doesn't really make any sense in regards to how the game has been played so far, but ok, fine: *swish cape* This is to be dramatic. You do need to make hard choices in DA. I figured adding this detail would add a bit of that impact where you go OMG OMG OMG! I did warn you at the start of the game that in regard with Landsmeet you may lose Alistair or Loghain players if you choose execution for them. This isn't a standard game. Plus, it's the first time we're trying something like this, so there are all sorts of glitches and details that need to be ironed out. ___
All right guys. Reed did all the work. So, I will accept this scenario of Ali + Anora marriage.
I will be updating the game most likely today, but not now cause I've got a date.
There are the current votes. They can still be changed.
Current Votes: Catilina 3 votes Moonae 1 vote
Still to Vote: nada
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Post by fylimar on May 20, 2018 20:32:41 GMT
I thought it was just for the story? Like how alistair was eliminated but came back for the story... I figured Loghain has to actually be voted out by the villains to be eliminated?? Cause I have all the screenshots I need. I need a confirmation on this, because if Loghain being executed in the story also kills the player before the vote then... I'll have to up my levels to 13. That is, what I tried to explain: if you kill Loghain, you kick the player out and if we then vote out a hero, the spies will win
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Post by Catilina on May 20, 2018 20:45:08 GMT
Yes, I agree, and if you guys vote for me, you will vote out a hero. I just say.
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Post by sgtreed24 on May 20, 2018 21:13:12 GMT
Wasn't too hard, I could probably go farther. Wonder what the max level is? lol Anyway, y'all are welcome. I begrudgingly sit in the back with alistair and mope. I, too, happen to think being a Grey Warden is more of an honor than punishment and it's a way to redeem yourself which Loghain does not deserve. He better hope he doesn't survive the archdemon!
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Post by fylimar on May 20, 2018 21:23:15 GMT
Yes, I agree, and if you guys vote for me, you will vote out a hero. I just say. You know what, I tend to agree with you. You did go out of the way to save Loghain aka a fellow player, which makes me think, you might be innocent. Moonae on the other hand, didn't participate, if I see correctly. I will go through the last posts again, because on my phone, I sometimes miss posts. Edit: I just found Moonaes post and she too went with not killing a hero, so I'm torn. I will sleep over it
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