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Post by Deleted on Nov 11, 2017 19:42:40 GMT
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Ladies and Gentlemen, welcome a new Hero to Skyhold!
Sera: Your streak of mischief often lands you into deep trouble. At the start of the game you may put any two players at war. They must vote against each other until either you or one of them is eliminated. GAME 2 Sign Up List 1. TheHeroOfFerelden 2. Space Cowboy 3. luketrevelyan 4. Serza 5. nvanfleet 6. smilesja 7. Hanako Ikezawa 8. dadithinkimgay 9. dragontartare 10. 11. (fylimar -?) Game 3 Waiting List 1. fylimar 2.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Nov 11, 2017 19:48:24 GMT
Having everyone be able to be a character that could also be a Venatori spy will be fun. Plus that way you can act like your character and everything without it immediately letting everyone know you are not the spy.
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Post by gervaise21 on Nov 11, 2017 20:09:05 GMT
I'm interested Serza. You said you couldn't explain how you knew this at the time but you would reveal all at the end. So how was it obvious enough that Smiles was a Hero at the end of Day 1? Bearing in mind that you voted him off after everyone else had voted?
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Post by Serza on Nov 11, 2017 20:13:31 GMT
I voted him off because I didn't know who the spy was. He was a sacrifice on my part, but I caught a whiff from his posts that he was no spy. Can't remember exactly... *sigh*
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Post by Serza on Nov 11, 2017 20:21:05 GMT
I’ll just stab all of you. Just in case you guys aren’t spies. Early suggestion that he might be Leliana. She does the stabbing and counter-spying. I even made a suggestion (open) about that very early on saying he might be Hardened Leliana. Don't vote for me! See? He's begging. But it's Littlefinger so it doesn't exactly count. You stand accused of murder, you stand accused of treason. How do you answer these charges. Lord Smilesja. (Not voting just yet. Gotta see what he says first...) Using Tyrion? Demanding Trial by Combat? Saying he will get no justice here? I thought Tyrion's speech was pretty honest use in this case. Also he voted againist Phoray who I at the time had a strong suspicion of. Phoray and you, Gervaise, led the vote, in fact, and if you see my notes you'll know I suspected both of you. At the end of the day, I don't think I had the right reasons for it, but I knew the truth. Not sure if good or bad?
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Post by dragontartare on Nov 11, 2017 20:21:21 GMT
Just an idea adonniel, do you think the mods could break off a new thread for game #2? It would make it easier for people to find each new game. The way I'm understanding secret roles is that we'd be given a list of 10 roles in the game, only 8 of which are actually in use, but no one (including the Venatori) know which ones those are. This leaves two free roles for the Venatori to pretend to be, but they'll have to pay careful attention to everyone else in order to know which fake roles to assume. Am I understanding correctly?
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Post by luketrevelyan on Nov 11, 2017 20:27:40 GMT
I'm wondering if it would make sense if at night no talking is allowed. In a game played in person everyone closes their eyes and has to be quiet.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 11, 2017 20:29:18 GMT
Just an idea adonniel , do you think the mods could break off a new thread for game #2? It would make it easier for people to find each new game. The way I'm understanding secret roles is that we'd be given a list of 10 roles in the game, only 8 of which are actually in use, but no one (including the Venatori) know which ones those are. This leaves two free roles for the Venatori to pretend to be, but they'll have to pay careful attention to everyone else in order to know which fake roles to assume. Am I understanding correctly? What exactly is a 'break off?' Like creating a separate thread for game 1, game 2, game 3 etc? I'm more inclined towards letting the Venatori know at the start of the game which roles are not occupied by heroes, but the heroes will only know that Leli and Cullen are mandatory roles. 1. venatori 2. venatori 3. Leli 4. Cullen 5. random hero 6. random hero etc
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Post by gervaise21 on Nov 11, 2017 20:30:06 GMT
In other words it was just so much hot air and yet another thing that stoked the mistrust between allies. This assertion followed on from LukeTrevelyan's comment that if we got the vote wrong again and another innocent person went on Day 2 then it would look suspicious, particularly as several of the same people were voting together again. Phoray pointed out that we would have had to be very lucky to hit the spy accurately on Day 1 (although we could have done if Phoray hadn't changed from Nvanfleet to Smilesja) and then you made it sound as if it was obvious that Smiles was innocent, thus throwing doubt on Phoray's assertion. When Phoray pointed out you were just being wise after the event, you went all mysterious on us and said you couldn't say why then but would later. Please don't do that sort of thing again unless you have a genuine reason for making the assertion.
Please that was just Smiles being Smiles. It wasn't obvious that it was Leliana unless you made it so. And the real Leliana couldn't contradict you without revealing who they were and that is against the rules. Plus Smiles did not say that at the end of the day but at the beginning, in fact I believe even before Night 1 was over. So if you had genuinely thought that meant Smiles was Leliana why didn't you do more to defend them? Leliana is about the most useful ally you can have. You do not want to lose them.
I am sorry but as for the GoT extracts, why on earth should anyone pay attention to them? So Tyrion was innocent? Who cares, that doesn't prove the person using the clip is innocent. In any case, why didn't you say as much instead of immediately vote guilty? You'll have to do better than that.
Just for the record, I did not lead the vote against Smiles. Phoray responded to Smiles voting against them, changing from Nvanfleet where they had been supporting me and Fylimar, who Nvanfleet had voted against first. Originally Nvanfleet had 3 votes and apparently had Smiles not goaded Phoray away, LukeTrevelyan would have voted against them too. Then Nvanfleet changed their vote from me to Smiles. This made me think that Nvanfleet must be innocent, so I changed my vote and followed the other two.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 11, 2017 20:30:14 GMT
I'm wondering if it would make sense if at night no talking is allowed. In a game played in person everyone closes their eyes and has to be quiet. No rest for the wicked! That would be a very boring night indeed. I vote for chit-chat any time.
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Post by luketrevelyan on Nov 11, 2017 20:33:09 GMT
I'm wondering if it would make sense if at night no talking is allowed. In a game played in person everyone closes their eyes and has to be quiet. No rest for the wicked! That would be a very boring night indeed. I vote for chit-chat any time. ok, no objection. I was just curious because it seemed odd to me. This is the first time I've played this type of game online rather than in person.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 11, 2017 20:38:44 GMT
No rest for the wicked! That would be a very boring night indeed. I vote for chit-chat any time. ok, no objection. I was just curious because it seemed odd to me. This is the first time I've played this type of game online rather than in person. It would be a convenient tool to id the spies. If someone speaks up at night, they are the non-sleeping, sneaking Venatori and must be voted off. Honest heroes do not traverse empty corridors at the unholy hours!
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Post by gervaise21 on Nov 11, 2017 20:43:28 GMT
Adonniel. Since Serza is trying to use the fact that Smiles used GoT film clips to answer accusations against them as proof of their innocence, I would suggest you make a ruling that to avoid confusion people stick to the actual information in game to either assert guilt or defend innocence and not muddy the waters with non game material.
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Post by Serza on Nov 11, 2017 20:50:31 GMT
It was a gut feeling, alright.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Nov 11, 2017 20:58:10 GMT
I'm wondering if it would make sense if at night no talking is allowed. In a game played in person everyone closes their eyes and has to be quiet. I know in real life games you have to do that. In the games I played when the night comes, the game master tells everyone to close their eyes and nobody can talk. They then tell the killers to open their eyes and silently pick the target. Then the investigators and told to open their eyes after the killers are done and close theirs and can silently guess who a killer is with the game master either nodding or shaking their head depending on if they are right or wrong. Then the day comes, everyone opens their eyes and the game master reveals who was killed and that day of figuring things out begins. But I can see how for this it wouldn't work since all that happens in PMs so can't be seen and people live in different timezones.
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Post by gervaise21 on Nov 11, 2017 21:00:25 GMT
No, it isn't. You were trying to act all smug and clever in game. You wanted the limelight at the end so you could bask in your own cleverness. You may have fooled some people but they need to know you are not as clever as you think you are. Have the good grace to admit it.
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Post by Serza on Nov 11, 2017 21:01:22 GMT
*sigh*
I admit, I could've saved Smiles but I wasn't certain and had no idea who the spy was.
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Post by gervaise21 on Nov 11, 2017 21:10:06 GMT
Thank you. That was the same for all of us.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 11, 2017 21:11:41 GMT
Adonniel. Since Serza is trying to use the fact that Smiles used GoT film clips to answer accusations against them as proof of their innocence, I would suggest you make a ruling that to avoid confusion people stick to the actual information in game to either assert guilt or defend innocence and not muddy the waters with non game material. Erm... This is a fair point, but... I'm unsure in regard with how it should be. I've never seen in any of the previous games the need for this rule to be instituted. I believe the argument might be that Game of Thrones information is 'off topic' because it concerns another fandom. I feel that this happens in all threads; outside themes are occasionally mentioned. This is not a problem if that information is linked to the main topic because he's trying to use it to prove innocence rather than to talk about non-related stuff, but had the players gone off on the tangent discussing Game of Thrones than it would be a problem. In regard with proving guilt or innocence - the video does not take away the other players' ability to doubt or to choose to believe/not believe hence after watching the video you can still say 'that's manipulative bologna.' Especially since that video didn't help Smiles to save himself. He could simply say 'guys I'm innocent' or for example post a funny gif and with charm hope to swing the votes against someone else. This could also be used by assassins as a tool to disorient players. However, it would definitely be a problem if instead of mainly using the actual game information players would start spamming videos and gifs left and right that aren't even about Dragon Age. I guess this is something of a grey area and highly subjective. I am reluctant to bring down a severe ban hammer on it and be like NO funny pictures, videos, whatever - stick to dry facts. Maybe - don't get carried away with gifs and value the game related facts more, would be a bit more appropriate? Having some outside material is ok, but don't make it a substitute for game information.
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Post by Serza on Nov 11, 2017 21:12:16 GMT
I'll have to stand by how it was a gut feeling though. I'll admit I can't put my finger on where it came from, but I had it.
Like that weird, nagging feeling in the back of...
Whatever. Think I'll walk for now.
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Post by gervaise21 on Nov 11, 2017 21:36:52 GMT
Yes, I think that would be a good compromise. Then people are aware that people can use them but they shouldn't totally rely on them. Then you don't lose the fun element but it is clear what the clip is being used for. May be it is just me but I found the GoT clips reduced my sympathy for Smiles because I thought it was just him making a dramatic exit and wasn't intended to be taken seriously as making his case for him. Had I realised they were, I might have paid them more attention.
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Post by phoray on Nov 11, 2017 21:51:59 GMT
I've got to hand it to you phoray to be so cool and understanding about someone who has voted in support of the person who killed you rather than with the person who identified the killer. I don't know if I'm being cool, but in the end, this is a casual social deduction game that depends on people being suspicious as possible. And it's only as fun as you can make it for yourself, so I guess I just don't judge considering those factors. Just like Smilesja TOTALLY isn't my enemy now just because I voted him off and he tried to turn people against me. I am a super big fan and I was so That I got to be him. Especially since I prefer a nightly power character over a single use. P.S. Just in case they targeted you instead of me last night, I did use Cullen's protective ability for you one last time.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 11, 2017 22:13:20 GMT
GAME 2 Sign Up List 1. TheHeroOfFerelden 2. Space Cowboy 3. luketrevelyan 4. Serza 5. nvanfleet 6. smilesja 7. Hanako Ikezawa 8. dadithinkimgay 9. dragontartare 10. 11. (fylimar -?) Game 3 Waiting List 1. fylimar 2. gervaise21 Yes, I think that would be a good compromise. Then people are aware that people can use them but they shouldn't totally rely on them. Then you don't lose the fun element but it is clear what the clip is being used for.
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Post by gervaise21 on Nov 11, 2017 22:15:31 GMT
I guessed you probably would have because you are not allowed to use it on yourself. Like I suggested earlier, I think after they discovered they had correctly targeted Leliana the first night but you had protected her, the assassins knew the focus had to be on identifying and removing Cullen. They must have suspected you because they targeted Dragon (Blackwall) which would throw suspicion onto you because of her voting against you the first day. Then when that didn't work the only alternative would be to kill you. The only thing that puzzled me and threw me off was that you protected LukeTrevelyan on the second night and I was struggling to find a reason why you might have thought him at risk of attack. Since at that point I couldn't be sure he wasn't the spy, until we knew the result of the vote, and Nvanfleet had been indicating they were Cullen, I wondered if in fact this was genuine. Meanwhile you thought Nvanfleet was Varric. I knew he wasn't but couldn't be sure about the spy aspect. If I had gone with my first thought and investigated Nvanfleet on night 2, things might have been different but there you go.
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Post by phoray on Nov 11, 2017 22:19:00 GMT
I'll sign up for game three, but renovations are too much of my time right now to be as distracted as I've been for a game 2 I voted Smilesja because we had to sacrifice someone. I kinda feel the game should start with a NIGHT, adonniel , otherwise the first vote is always random? WE're voting based on nothing, and the game Character don't even know they're being attacked yet? So if we could let a Night happen first, then a day? The first night I protected gervaise, which told me they were leliana. When my Cullen protected Lel in the story. I then called her Leliana a million times because I'm super subtle like that. No one seemed to believe me. The second night, I protected Luke, but Blackwall was attacked and Cullen was not mentioned. Which is how I knew Luke WAS NOT Blackwall, but that's practically useless information I was totally useless at reading subtle hints hidden in people's back and forth banter because I have no time for spread sheets.
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