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Post by luketrevelyan on Feb 19, 2019 15:45:31 GMT
I'm on vacation through this weekend so not posting too much. Anyway I'm leaning towards pela being good and possibly gervaise as well. I think Hero, Space, and Moonae would be my top suspects. Basia is new so I have no idea.
The voting was a bit messy last round but we know fylimar and romice were both good. The other 2 who were in contention were pela and Hero and I would lean more towards Hero being a spy. I am a bit curious why he didn't change his vote to save himself but fylimar didn't either so they may have both thought it was pointless.
I will wait a bit to vote to hear from others.
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Post by Moonae on Feb 19, 2019 18:56:12 GMT
(I wrote this on Sunday but apparently never posted, oops) A summary of what happened last round for those (like me) who didn’t really follow it all: At first there was a bunch of spread out votes, as is usually the case on day 1. The only somewhat noteworthy thing is Basia following Romice’s vote on Hero. Romice -> Hero Luke -> Gervaise Basia -> Hero Gervaise -> Luke Hero -> Romice Fylimar –> Pela Space –> Basia Moonae -> Fylimar Then Pela creates a tie by voting for Romice. Romice quickly responds by switching from Hero to Pela (which doesn’t really change her own situation, since she’s still in the tie). Here Romice also says that we “don’t want to vote her out”. Gervaise seems to take this as a hint and switches from Luke to Pela, putting Pela in the lead. At this point Pela also says that we don’t want to vote her out.
This is the point where, the first time around, I started to get confused over how many votes people had. And honestly, reading back over doesn’t lessen the confusion much.
Garva said this: To be honest, I was intending stepping in to create a tie but was waiting to see what you did first. You will recall that I have been a bit hasty in changing my vote in the past so it seemed best to wait until everyone had voted before doing anything. By the time I came on-line Romice had made her declaration. So I had the option of waiting to see if anyone else did anything or stepping in and breaking the tie to keep Romice out of danger. Essentially the situation is this; if Romice is innocent then the spies were going to leave her to burn, if you are innocent then they are going to do the same. So the only way to save either of you (assuming you are innocent) is for another hero to stick their neck out. That is what I have done. The only way to save Romice was to vote for someone who already had two votes and the only person left with two votes was you. I'd be happy to switch again if given a different target. And then Pela: Still, not sure if I want to risk putting romice on a tiebreaker during the first round, especially since there is a chance here that she's innocent. So just give me some hours before deciding on which or player I might switch to. Hopefully when this happens one of you guys will switch off of me, if not then that would be really bad. And maybe I’m just slow (I’ve been battling a bad cold since Wednesday, so my brain’s not at full capacity), but I’m just not sure what’s actually being said here? Taken together they seem to suggest that Romice was in danger before Gervaise voted (she was in a tie, so no more danger than Pela) and then after that there was a tie that Pela wanted to (and eventually did) break. (But Pela was in the lead at that point and just put herself even further in the lead by switching)
Again, I’m probably missing something… but, uh, yeah, this was the bit where you all lost me last round.
Fylimar states that she agrees with Gervaise and thus will keep her vote on Pela. After Pela switches to Fylimar she again says that she won’t switch since Pela’s now voting for her. Romice switches back to Hero and Gervaise switches to me.
People who didn’t participate in the discussion: me, Luke, Space, Basia, Hero ------------------
So, conclusion: … I want to contribute more but I don’t have that many original observations. I guess the fact that Hero was one of the people gathering votes but never stepped in to say anything probably suggests that he was busy, whereas the rest of the people that stayed quiet could easily have simply sat back and watched the heroes take each other out as others have mentioned. (And I realize that from your point of view I am included in this group, so here’s my excuse I guess: I was alternating between being confused and busy. Good enough? No? ) Of the people that were involved in the discussion 2 have been confirmed heroes, Gervaise was in no danger and so had no reason to participate if they were a spy and Fylimar dying at night seems to suggest Pela’s not it either. * Side note: maybe it’s just me, but I don’t really put that much stock into claims of “don’t vote for me” since anyone could say that. I’ve used it myself both as a hero and as a spy. So it’s something I make note of but then mostly ignore?
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Post by pelassarias on Feb 19, 2019 19:43:36 GMT
I'll try to make a summary on what transpired last round to clear some stuff up from my POV: Players made their votes, and as usual, I was one of the last players to make a vote to put a player on the tiebreaker. As some of you might have remembered, Hero already had two votes against him during this time. I proceeded then to place a vote on romice to put her on the tiebreaker along with Hero. Hero also voted for romice as well previously. After that, romice proceeds to switch from Hero to me, and makes a nonhint that she's an important role. Afterwards, gervaise votes for me as well, putting me in the lead since fylimar also voted for me during the early stages of the first round. Then I pretty much made a nonhint that the Heroes didn't want to vote me off. I also implied that I wanted an explanation on why I was getting voted off in this manner again. This is when gervaise explains why they voted for me here: Come on, Pela, we're all veterans here. To me it seems that I only get targeted at night when I can't defend myself. To be honest, I was intending stepping in to create a tie but was waiting to see what you did first. You will recall that I have been a bit hasty in changing my vote in the past so it seemed best to wait until everyone had voted before doing anything. By the time I came on-line Romice had made her declaration. So I had the option of waiting to see if anyone else did anything or stepping in and breaking the tie to keep Romice out of danger. Essentially the situation is this; if Romice is innocent then the spies were going to leave her to burn, if you are innocent then they are going to do the same. So the only way to save either of you (assuming you are innocent) is for another hero to stick their neck out. That is what I have done. The only way to save Romice was to vote for someone who already had two votes and the only person left with two votes was you. I'd be happy to switch again if given a different target. Afterwards, I pretty much said that I thought that gervaise's vote was premature given the fact that me and Hero was given insufficient enough time to switch from romice after her nonhint. Then I said this: Still, not sure if I want to risk putting romice on a tiebreaker during the first round, especially since there is a chance here that she's innocent. So just give me some hours before deciding on which or player I might switch to. Hopefully when this happens one of you guys will switch off of me, if not then that would be really bad.
My line of thinking at the time was that romice had a chance of being an important role for the Heroes given her nonhint, or she could be the spy. Since it was the first round, I did not want to make a risk of possibly voting off a very important Hero and putting us Heroes at a great disadvantage early on just because I had some suspicions towards the player in question. So I ultimately decided to switch from romice to fylimar. I figured should there be future suspicious clues damning romice as a spy, I will place my vote and suspicions on her during the future rounds, but not now. I also voted for fylimar because she voted for me previously, and I figured there could have been a chance that a spy could have already voted for me. So fylimar was put up on the tiebreaker instead of romice, and she died as Sera, since Moonae also voted for her. Now romice is dead as Cullen from the night killing, and there you have it. Hopefully my explanation could clear some things up for the busy and quiet players. If you guys want more of a visual on who vote for who, I'll be willing to post that in a future post as well.
ETA: Forgot to add the important detail that romice and gervaise also switched from me after our back and forth, which is how Hero was placed back on the tiebreaker with fylimar. I believe romice switched back to Hero, and gervaise switched to Moonae. Moonae and I voted for fylimar
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Post by pelassarias on Feb 19, 2019 19:51:03 GMT
On a similar note, I'm actually a little surprised but relieved that I'm not unanimously seen as suspicious during this round. But I guess some of you guys sort of know how I operate as a spy if we've been accomplices before, so it actually makes sense now that I've thought about it. As for who my suspects are, I suppose my top two are Moonae and Hero, but this is just purely on voting record and what I think might have happened over night. Personally I do think there's a good chance that the spies could have not have been involved in me, romice, and gervaise's back and forth during the last round. For that reason, I'm leaning towards being more suspicious of Moonae than Hero, since I'm sort of doubting Hero and Spies would cast more suspicion on Hero by killing romice over night. However, the spies could have had a feeling that romice was a valuable role that didn't activate their ability when killed, and is willing to have Hero being possibly seen as suspicious during this round just to kill romice. But I'm still not seeing why they would still willing to make a risk on romice being possibly a Cullen or Leliana when she could have still been Dorian or Vivienne. If Hero is a spy, I'm not sure the other spies would have made this sort of risk just, unless they felt as though they had to. Also, I'm not ignoring the fact that gervaise did vote for me incidentally, but since gervaise did switch from me last round to one of my suspects and has given me the benefit of the doubt for now, I will also do the same until the situation calls for me to place gervaise on my suspect list in the future.
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Post by Moonae on Feb 19, 2019 20:08:45 GMT
My line of thinking at the time was that romice had a chance of being an important role for the Heroes given her nonhint, or she could be the spy. Since it was the first round, I did not want to make a risk of possibly voting off a very important Hero and putting us Heroes at a great disadvantage early on just because I had some suspicions towards the player in question. So I ultimately decided to switch from romice to fylimar. I figured should there be future suspicious clues damning romice as a spy, I will place my vote and suspicions on her during the future rounds, but not now. I also voted for fylimar because she voted for me previously, and I figured there could have been a chance that a spy could have already voted for me. I guess my confusion comes from the fact that you had 3 votes and ROmice had 2, so when you made you're switch she wasn't actually in danger anymore. When I read the posts where you consider switching in isolation it looked like Romice was currently in a tie, but when I went back and counted the votes that wasn't the case. Hence: confusion. But maybe you're just a lot more chivalrous then I give you credit for and you really wanted to put Romice out of danger.
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Post by Space Cowboy on Feb 20, 2019 0:29:24 GMT
My line of thinking at the time was that romice had a chance of being an important role for the Heroes given her nonhint, or she could be the spy. Since it was the first round, I did not want to make a risk of possibly voting off a very important Hero and putting us Heroes at a great disadvantage early on just because I had some suspicions towards the player in question. So I ultimately decided to switch from romice to fylimar. I figured should there be future suspicious clues damning romice as a spy, I will place my vote and suspicions on her during the future rounds, but not now. I also voted for fylimar because she voted for me previously, and I figured there could have been a chance that a spy could have already voted for me. I guess my confusion comes from the fact that you had 3 votes and ROmice had 2, so when you made you're switch she wasn't actually in danger anymore. When I read the posts where you consider switching in isolation it looked like Romice was currently in a tie, but when I went back and counted the votes that wasn't the case. Hence: confusion. But maybe you're just a lot more chivalrous then I give you credit for and you really wanted to put Romice out of danger. I may have miscounted, or got confused with the other game, I don't remember Pela having 3 votes. I'll take your word for it.
I do trust Pela, this time. lol She seems like a hero.
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Post by basia on Feb 21, 2019 16:10:29 GMT
Sooo, since we should probably continue voting, I vote for Moonae. She seems the most suspicious, based on the previous round, since Hero voting for Romi might have been just him reacting to her vote. But because it was just the first round if someone has any suggestions I'm willing to change my vote.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 22, 2019 14:38:22 GMT
Current Votes: moon 2
Still to Vote: 2. Pela 4. Moon 5. Space 8. Luke 10. Hero
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Post by Space Cowboy on Feb 23, 2019 0:28:16 GMT
I'm waiting for Moonae to say something beeore jumping on the bandwagon. I really have no suspects so far.
I guess I'll make a random vote for Hero now. Sorry if you are really a hero! I'm willing to change should other suspects show themselves
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Post by Serza on Feb 23, 2019 6:34:35 GMT
Are you the cowboy or the indian here?
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Post by Space Cowboy on Feb 23, 2019 10:28:17 GMT
Are you the cowboy or the indian here? Which side is the good side?
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Post by Serza on Feb 23, 2019 12:36:23 GMT
Seriously though, your response gave me paranoia. Or awakenes the one I had. One of those.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 23, 2019 20:08:59 GMT
Current Votes: moon 2 hero 1
Still to Vote: 2. Pela 4. Moon 8. Luke 10. Hero
It's been a week and I'm not seeing much discussion, so,the voting closes in 24h.
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Post by pelassarias on Feb 23, 2019 22:57:47 GMT
My line of thinking at the time was that romice had a chance of being an important role for the Heroes given her nonhint, or she could be the spy. Since it was the first round, I did not want to make a risk of possibly voting off a very important Hero and putting us Heroes at a great disadvantage early on just because I had some suspicions towards the player in question. So I ultimately decided to switch from romice to fylimar. I figured should there be future suspicious clues damning romice as a spy, I will place my vote and suspicions on her during the future rounds, but not now. I also voted for fylimar because she voted for me previously, and I figured there could have been a chance that a spy could have already voted for me. I guess my confusion comes from the fact that you had 3 votes and ROmice had 2, so when you made you're switch she wasn't actually in danger anymore. When I read the posts where you consider switching in isolation it looked like Romice was currently in a tie, but when I went back and counted the votes that wasn't the case. Hence: confusion. But maybe you're just a lot more chivalrous then I give you credit for and you really wanted to put Romice out of danger. Oh right! My line of thinking about switching from romice was also about the possibility of someone eventually switching from me, which could create a tiebreaker between me, romice, and yeah, I didn't want to risk putting her in danger if that were to happen. But, yeah, I do have my moments every now and then of trying to save my fellow Heroes.
As for the lack of discussion during this round, I imagine the other voters are either still figuring out who to vote for or they're busy. Nonetheless, I was going to opt for Moonae, but since the clock is ticking ,I have no clue whether the other players will vote in time, how they're going to vote, and since I'm not quite suspicious enough in placing a possible majority vote towards Moonae, I'll opt for my second suspect, Hero instead.
One of the reasons why I'm not that confident enough in placing a third vote towards Moonae is due to the fact that it is still possible that other players could have possibly framed me as well. Moonae is just my top suspect for now since she is one of the few players who I know opted for an innocent person last round but didn't vote for romice. Also, I guess I'm not a huge fan of majority votes unless there's plenty of damning evidence against the player in question, which makes me a bit of a cautious player to a fault.
If something were to happen within 24 hours and if I'm able to get into this round on time however, I'm still willing to switch if the situation calls for it.
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Post by luketrevelyan on Feb 24, 2019 4:34:29 GMT
Hmm if I vote for Hero or Moonae they will most likely just vote for each other, so my vote is particularly important here unless someone else changes.
I will vote for Space Cowboy, who is my other top suspect, and see what that does.
I could change in the morning if something interesting happens but then I'll be traveling the rest of the day.
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Post by Moonae on Feb 24, 2019 8:04:59 GMT
Out of self-preservation I vote for Hero
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Post by luketrevelyan on Feb 24, 2019 18:40:42 GMT
I'm not sure Hero has been around to vote so I will change my vote from Space to Moonae to give him a chance. Of course he could vote at last minute, so sorry Moonae if that happens.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 24, 2019 20:21:28 GMT
Venatori 1: Whelp, I did my best to stay inconspicuous.
Venatori 2: I bet that's why they're all suspicious of your untrustworthy mug.
Venatori 1: Why are the guards dragging away the sparkly one then?
Venatori 2: Because it doesn't hurt to shuffle incriminating evidence into one of the advisor's correspondence.
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Space - Dorian
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Post by gervaise21 on Feb 24, 2019 21:16:43 GMT
Seems like the curse of Dorian has returned too. Oh well. Looks like us heroes could be in trouble.
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Post by Space Cowboy on Feb 25, 2019 0:49:39 GMT
Wait, what happened here? Did Josie vote me out? Oops. Also, very uncool, voting me out on my birthday.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 25, 2019 1:21:17 GMT
Also, very uncool, voting me out on my birthday. Happy Birthday Space!
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Post by Space Cowboy on Feb 25, 2019 1:32:04 GMT
Also, very uncool, voting me out on my birthday. Happy Birthday Space!
Thanks! Is that all for me?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 25, 2019 2:36:23 GMT
Thanks! Is that all for me? If it has pink in it, for sure!
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Post by fylimar on Feb 25, 2019 6:06:37 GMT
Happy Birthday, space
And sorry, you've got voted out (had to be Josie, I guess)
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Post by gervaise21 on Feb 25, 2019 8:29:40 GMT
Happy Birthday Space.
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