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Post by dragontartare on Nov 26, 2017 17:18:51 GMT
Bandwagons haven't worked out for me either, but I can't in good conscience vote for a "Hero," so I guess romice it is. So now you think bandwagons are a good idea and in good conscience you are voting for the "Hero". Explain please? What's to explain? The definition of "bandwagon?" Agreeing with someone's reasoning is not what a bandwagon is. But go ahead and vote for me instead. SPY.
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Post by gervaise21 on Nov 26, 2017 19:13:47 GMT
What's to explain? The definition of "bandwagon?" Agreeing with someone's reasoning is not what a bandwagon is. But go ahead and vote for me instead. SPY I'm leaning towards nvanfleet being good and Hero was one of the three alive that voted for OG. Space Cowboy was the 4th that voted for OG but got killed at night. I'm thinking that could be due to him originally voting for Hero, who may have wanted him dead? So I guess I'll put my vote in for TheHeroOfFerelden. There are a couple others that I'm keeping an eye on as well though. Serza was the first to vote for Hero of Ferelden and Serza is still alive. Surely Serza was the most likely target of Hero's wrath? Serza also thinks Hero is now innocent. Smilesja and Nvanfleet also followed the lead and voted for Hero and they are still alive. For some reason they now think that makes Hero guilty. Luke's statement about Space Cowboy is incorrect. He was the 3rd person to vote for OG and then Hero followed suit. If voting for OG makes someone potentially a spy, why is no one (other than Hero) suggesting voting for Romice or Pelassarias? It is possible that Hero is putting on an act of innocence but the flailing about and jumping in desperation from one target to another does not strike me as the actions of a spy.
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Post by TheHeroOfFerelden on Nov 26, 2017 19:31:20 GMT
What's to explain? The definition of "bandwagon?" Agreeing with someone's reasoning is not what a bandwagon is. But go ahead and vote for me instead. SPY I'm leaning towards nvanfleet being good and Hero was one of the three alive that voted for OG. Space Cowboy was the 4th that voted for OG but got killed at night. I'm thinking that could be due to him originally voting for Hero, who may have wanted him dead? So I guess I'll put my vote in for TheHeroOfFerelden. There are a couple others that I'm keeping an eye on as well though. Serza was the first to vote for Hero of Ferelden and Serza is still alive. Surely Serza was the most likely target of Hero's wrath? Serza also thinks Hero is now innocent. Smilesja and Nvanfleet also followed the lead and voted for Hero and they are still alive. For some reason they now think that makes Hero guilty. Luke's statement about Space Cowboy is incorrect. He was the 3rd person to vote for OG and then Hero followed suit. If voting for OG makes someone potentially a spy, why is no one (other than Hero) suggesting voting for Romice or Pelassarias? It is possible that Hero is putting on an act of innocence but the flailing about and jumping in desperation from one target to another does not strike me as the actions of a spy. Sherlock,is that you?
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Post by pelassarias on Nov 26, 2017 20:38:45 GMT
Yeah, I'm still not 100% on board with this bandwagon. Just because OG turned out to be innocent, doesn't necessarily mean Hero is a spy. And like gervaise said, his behavior when it came to voting doesn't scream spy to me.
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Post by gervaise21 on Nov 26, 2017 21:45:33 GMT
Just to confuse the issue still further. There are 3 spies this game. I am definitely not a spy. So either two spies have not yet voted, which is unlikely, or the spies already have. At the very outside only one spy is still hanging fire. That leaves two other spies. Assuming for the moment that Hero is not a spy, they are all in the group who voted for Hero. So take a look around you and start considering who, other than Hero, might be a spy.
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Post by fylimar on Nov 27, 2017 17:53:46 GMT
No new posts for 20 hours - guys? Still there?
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Post by gervaise21 on Nov 27, 2017 18:18:43 GMT
I'm guessing us last 3 still to vote are each waiting to see what the others do. Okay, so I'll take the plunge. I vote for Dragontartare because there are 3 potential spies out there and I am not convinced by the justification given for their vote.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 27, 2017 18:43:09 GMT
Current Votes: TheHeroOfFerelden 5 votes romice 1 vote dragontartare 1 vote
Still to Vote: 4. Serza 11. pelassarias
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Post by pelassarias on Nov 27, 2017 18:51:26 GMT
One of the reasons why I don't want to vote for the HOF is the possibility that he could be a role the inquisition needs. Of course, he could be simply using this as a cover, but I just don't want to take that chance yet.
So, it's between romice and dragantartare. I'll go with dragantartare for now since gervaise seems more confidant in this vote.
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Post by dragontartare on Nov 27, 2017 19:11:51 GMT
I'm guessing us last 3 still to vote are each waiting to see what the others do. Okay, so I'll take the plunge. I vote for Dragontartare because there are 3 potential spies out there and I am not convinced by the justification given for their vote. What justification are you looking for? We can't give clues to our roles, remember? What's your justification for voting for me? (No need to refer to me as "their." I'm female )
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Post by TheHeroOfFerelden on Nov 27, 2017 19:46:32 GMT
TheHeroOfFerelden 5 votes Remember,non spy guys.You can change your vote up to two times The Inqusition needs you!
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Post by gervaise21 on Nov 27, 2017 19:49:53 GMT
(No need to refer to me as "their." I'm female ) No offence meant. Using gender neutral terms was something encouraged in my old job.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 28, 2017 1:15:09 GMT
Current Votes: TheHeroOfFerelden 5 votes romice 1 vote dragontartare 2 votes
Still to Vote:4. SerzaTHE VOTING ENDS IN 24h on Nov 28th at 8:30PM EST.
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Post by dragontartare on Nov 28, 2017 2:33:43 GMT
Gervaise still has given no justification for wanting me hung. I may be changing my vote...
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Post by Deleted on Nov 28, 2017 2:57:44 GMT
Gervaise still has given no justification for wanting me hung. I may be changing my vote... //evil game master snickers at the player suffering 'I think I might be voting for an inno person (or ARE you? ) but the second bandwagon is against me'
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Post by Serza on Nov 28, 2017 8:37:11 GMT
Let us see what develops during the night, as I vote for DragonTartare.
Also I caught up, yay. Nice day yesterday, wasn't depressed by something. For a change.
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Post by gervaise21 on Nov 28, 2017 8:58:54 GMT
Gervaise still has given no justification for wanting me hung. I may be changing my vote... I've been doing what Adonniel called on the ME site provoking a reaction. Since we are not allowed to give much in the way of hints as to identity, all we have to go on is gut reaction, voting patterns and luck. Luck is all very well on the first vote but we are now down by three heroes, so we need to start doing more than simply follow the crowd. Three spies gives them much more scope for spreading their voting, always ensuring they vote for innocent people, unless they wish to deflect attention from themselves. In the first round of voting Serza was the first to vote for Hero. It would be a very risky move for one spy to vote for another at that early stage, particularly knowing how bandwagons have a tendency to get rolling. So if Serza was a spy, then Hero is innocent. Otherwise it could simply be bad luck that Serza voted for Hero. Whilst Serza hasn't yet voted on the 2nd round he said that he now had doubts about his original decision. (EDIT: Now Serza now voting for Dragon). Other people to vote for Hero were Smilesja and Nvanfleet, simply following the lead of Serza and Cowboy. Nvanfleet was the first to opt for Hero 2nd round on the grounds they had escaped the first vote. Is that a good justification for voting for the same person again? Smilesja is keeping a very low profile this game. That could simply be because past experience has taught him not to make himself a target. However, it could also be the actions of a spy. In the first round Luketrevelyan was the first to vote for Romice. You, Dragon, followed that vote. Second round Luke followed Nvanfleet in voting for Hero, giving some rather spurious logic about people who voted for Obsidian were suspicious and for that reason Hero, who was the last person to vote for OG, was the most likely to be a spy. Romice and Pelassarias voted for OG first. Then Cowboy and finally Hero. So if Cowboy changed his vote from Hero, why would Hero want him dead? Cowboy did hint he had ways of finding out who was guilty but that could apply to anyone. By killing Cowboy, not only did the spies remove a potentially dangerous person to them but they also (successfully) threw suspicion back on Hero. In the first round I followed Hero in voting for Cowboy, when we were all in the dark about identities. Then OG followed suit, effectively allowing Blackwall to be voted off. Clearly OG did not want a split decision and this would suggest that they thought Hero was also innocent. In fact the willingness to allow a split decision the first round is the only thing that still has doubts raised in my mind against Hero, although it has to be admitted that the chances of voting off a hero rather than a spy were always going to be fairly high in the first round and so tossing a coin about who it should be was not as damning as it would be in later rounds. So Dragon, if you are innocent, start looking around at your fellow voters. At least one, possibly two of them, are spies. If you change your vote to me then that will only confirm in my mind that the spy is you. However, if you now have doubts about Hero's guilt, then why not support him by voting for someone else? I still have the possibility to change MY vote. Think about it.
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Post by TheHeroOfFerelden on Nov 28, 2017 10:11:18 GMT
Changing your vote from The Hero Of Ferelden to a potential spy is a small but meaningful gesture. Save him,the way he saved you!
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Post by dragontartare on Nov 28, 2017 14:27:54 GMT
Gervaise still has given no justification for wanting me hung. I may be changing my vote... I've been doing what Adonniel called on the ME site provoking a reaction. Since we are not allowed to give much in the way of hints as to identity, all we have to go on is gut reaction, voting patterns and luck. Luck is all very well on the first vote but we are now down by three heroes, so we need to start doing more than simply follow the crowd. Three spies gives them much more scope for spreading their voting, always ensuring they vote for innocent people, unless they wish to deflect attention from themselves. In the first round of voting Serza was the first to vote for Hero. It would be a very risky move for one spy to vote for another at that early stage, particularly knowing how bandwagons have a tendency to get rolling. So if Serza was a spy, then Hero is innocent. Otherwise it could simply be bad luck that Serza voted for Hero. Whilst Serza hasn't yet voted on the 2nd round he said that he now had doubts about his original decision. (EDIT: Now Serza now voting for Dragon). Other people to vote for Hero were Smilesja and Nvanfleet, simply following the lead of Serza and Cowboy. Nvanfleet was the first to opt for Hero 2nd round on the grounds they had escaped the first vote. Is that a good justification for voting for the same person again? Smilesja is keeping a very low profile this game. That could simply be because past experience has taught him not to make himself a target. However, it could also be the actions of a spy. In the first round Luketrevelyan was the first to vote for Romice. You, Dragon, followed that vote. Second round Luke followed Nvanfleet in voting for Hero, giving some rather spurious logic about people who voted for Obsidian were suspicious and for that reason Hero, who was the last person to vote for OG, was the most likely to be a spy. Romice and Pelassarias voted for OG first. Then Cowboy and finally Hero. So if Cowboy changed his vote from Hero, why would Hero want him dead? Cowboy did hint he had ways of finding out who was guilty but that could apply to anyone. By killing Cowboy, not only did the spies remove a potentially dangerous person to them but they also (successfully) threw suspicion back on Hero. In the first round I followed Hero in voting for Cowboy, when we were all in the dark about identities. Then OG followed suit, effectively allowing Blackwall to be voted off. Clearly OG did not want a split decision and this would suggest that they thought Hero was also innocent. In fact the willingness to allow a split decision the first round is the only thing that still has doubts raised in my mind against Hero, although it has to be admitted that the chances of voting off a hero rather than a spy were always going to be fairly high in the first round and so tossing a coin about who it should be was not as damning as it would be in later rounds. So Dragon, if you are innocent, start looking around at your fellow voters. At least one, possibly two of them, are spies. If you change your vote to me then that will only confirm in my mind that the spy is you. However, if you now have doubts about Hero's guilt, then why not support him by voting for someone else? I still have the possibility to change MY vote. Think about it. I'm trusting luke and nvan because they have proven to be strong players in the past. I also never said that I think hero is innocent. There are two spies left, so if hero is a spy, there is still another one to catch. And based on the logic you present here, I think that's you. First you claim that luke and nvan present "spurious" logic, and yet you didn't vote for one of them. You voted for me. This indicates that you think they came by their conclusions honestly, despite your claim that their logic is weak. So why is it crazy for me to follow along? It isn't crazy, and you know it. I think you picked me to vote for because you've got to throw suspicion off of your fellow spy, hero, and I'm the safer bet for a bandwagon vote. People won't want to vote off luke or nvan if it's possible to keep them, because they are good at this game, so you knew it would be pointless to try to get anyone to vote for them. Me though? Not very good at this game, so even other innocents won't mind too much if I'm sacrificed. It makes me a safe bet for your bandwagon. And for me, all of that throws serious suspicion on you. Changing my vote to you now wouldn't be a good move for me, though, since that would make me the majority vote (by my last count...might have changed, because it's taking an absurdly long time to type this out on my phone). But there is still time for the votes to change. But go ahead, take me down. See how that works out for you
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Post by gervaise21 on Nov 28, 2017 15:36:53 GMT
There are two spies left, so if hero is a spy, there is still another one to catch. There are THREE spies left. This game there are nine heroes (now whittled down to six) and three spies. Everyone seems so focussed on Hero that they are missing the point that there are TWO ADDITIONAL spies to find even if Hero is a spy. But go ahead, take me down. See how that works out for you I could say exactly the same thing. In fact I do. You get me voted off either this round or next as a spy and you will realise what a bad move it was. I'm trusting luke and nvan because they have proven to be strong players in the past So in fact have I. If I seem insufferably overbearing and superior this round may be I am being in character but I am definitely not a spy. Does anybody else want to add to this debate?
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Post by dragontartare on Nov 28, 2017 19:11:49 GMT
There are two spies left, so if hero is a spy, there is still another one to catch. There are THREE spies left. This game there are nine heroes (now whittled down to six) and three spies. Everyone seems so focussed on Hero that they are missing the point that there are TWO ADDITIONAL spies to find even if Hero is a spy. But go ahead, take me down. See how that works out for you I could say exactly the same thing. In fact I do. You get me voted off either this round or next as a spy and you will realise what a bad move it was. I'm trusting luke and nvan because they have proven to be strong players in the past So in fact have I. If I seem insufferably overbearing and superior this round may be I am being in character but I am definitely not a spy. Does anybody else want to add to this debate? 1. Relax. I'm not so focused on hero that I forgot about the third spy, I just thought we took one out already. I got my games confused, that's all. 2. The moment you started a campaign against me, a non-Venatori, (and with no evidence, I might add) you proved that you are a threat to me. Not sure why it's surprising to you that I would conclude you are one of the spies, based on that. You still have said nothing to change my mind. 3. You might be a strong player, but you are so very wrong this time. And you still have not explained why you're voting for me over nvan or luke, given that you supposedly have a problem with their reasoning.
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Post by gervaise21 on Nov 28, 2017 19:57:34 GMT
Fair enough. It seems we are the only two really talking about the issues and it helps to get views out in the open because you never know what may happen. Hero still has more votes than you and no one else seems inclined to change their minds, so we'll see who is right about him won't we? If Hero is a spy, then I'll owe you an apology. ...you proved that you are a threat to me. Not sure why it's surprising to you that I would conclude you are one of the spies, based on that. You still have said nothing to change my mind. So you still think I'm a spy? Whatever happens, if I were you, I'd be more worried about the other people than about me since I am apparently so wrong about you.
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Post by dragontartare on Nov 28, 2017 20:40:31 GMT
So you still think I'm a spy? Whatever happens, if I were you, I'd be more worried about the other people than about me since I am apparently so wrong about you. Well, you've yet to give any real reason for voting for me AND have given no other alternatives for who you think the spy might be. Who do you expect me to vote for? Some random player? Which would put me and hero in a tie? If we're both innocent, a tie would mean at least one innocent person is going to get eliminated. In the absence of a better alternative, it makes more sense for me to leave my vote on hero, because at least then there is a chance of a spy being eliminated. I think the reason you haven't given a better justification for voting for me (over nvan and luke) is because you don't have one. You are trying to pressure me into changing my vote by starting this bandwagon against me, but in doing so, you are risking a good guy being eliminated. You keep telling me that I should look around at other votes and be less concerned about you (though...I should be less concerned about the person trying to get me eliminated? Seriously??). I could say the same: if you are truly one of the heroes (which I doubt), you really should be figuring out who the spies are, rather than wasting a vote on someone who isn't a villain.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 28, 2017 21:32:58 GMT
Whelp, it seems everyone has voted and the vote standing shall remain the same. After lengthily deliberation the heroes have elected to lock Hero away until their investigation was complete.
The eliminated player was a SPYMASTER. TheHeroOfFerelden - Leliana ~~ COMES NIGHT ~~
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Post by gervaise21 on Nov 28, 2017 21:37:42 GMT
I guess someone owes me an apology. No matter who you may claim to be, no one is more valuable than Leliana.
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