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Post by Deleted on Dec 10, 2017 15:28:43 GMT
Cole tries to summon Solas fade friends together for a nice party. He is still not sure, how to geet Lady Vivienne, since she is not that fond of him. He decided to leave a nice, orleasian furnitured room in her way, with lot's of books and nice clothing, so thatshe at least has it comfortable. Meanwhile he goes off, to search for duke Basienne, while Viv makes herself at home. OOC: Oh no - this will get really exciting. I'll keep my fingers crossed, that you will get the last spy. I have my own suspicions, but since I'm dead, I will stay silent. Serza : I did get some of your clues, they were subtle, but there. I didn't catch the one about Lelianas song though (also I love Malukas version far mor, than the original) That was the point. A subtle "He might be with a little stretching" instead of certain "He is." But you were angry that villains objected to it and you complained after your team received a penalty. It doesn't sound like you are sorry for it. What makes you think it was ok to do, after you were repeatedly asked not to? Even though they were subtle, I assure you, the villains have figured out your role and by to looks of it so had the heroes. In the long run, as subtle as it was, it served the same purpose of pointing to a role bluntly. After the previous game the players have requested eliminating such hints because they weren't fair to the villains.
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Post by Serza on Dec 10, 2017 16:11:08 GMT
Ambiguity.
They may have been hints, or they may have been utterly random.
Anyone who knows me knows I like Elves and know their lore significantly enough to know the meaning and significance of In Uthenera. I also backpedalled on the awkward statement, saying it seemed like Solas felt so. They were stretching the ambiguity even to myself, which is why I considered them alright.
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Post by romice on Dec 10, 2017 17:56:01 GMT
If dragontartare is who I think they are (which I'm pretty certain she is), wouldn't it be more fun/dramatic to vote for dragontartare so she can use her ability to decide who's the spy once and for all? If I'm doing the math correctly, this means that the game will be over no matter who dragontartare chooses. If romice is open to this, I'm willing to try this out, just for the drama. (As for my final defense, I'll type one out in about 12 hours or so! Gotta sleep on it!) If I understand correctly who you are hinting at, I didn't see any clues from dragon about being that character I might of course be blind, but I still have no idea who she might be, any of the four remaining characters might be her. Honestly, you being so sure of that might be a strong lead to you being a Venatori. But, I know that if I vote for you, then you'll vote for me and dragon still has the tiebreaker vote. So it really doesn't matter
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Post by Deleted on Dec 10, 2017 19:46:25 GMT
Ambiguity. They may have been hints, or they may have been utterly random. Anyone who knows me knows I like Elves and know their lore significantly enough to know the meaning and significance of In Uthenera. I also backpedalled on the awkward statement, saying it seemed like Solas felt so. They were stretching the ambiguity even to myself, which is why I considered them alright. Hints are hints. We have played three games in a row where these type of hints were appropriate. In this game they were not. This game was intentionally different than the previous one. There are natural reactions to the events the players display, which can be used to discern someone's guilt or innocence. And there are intentional hints, where you put thought into displaying your role, even vague. Intentional hints were not allowed this round. The villains were perfectly in their right to protest against them. Just because you disagree with the rules, doesn't mean you should be bending them as far as you can get away with. In game three the villains thought it was unfair that everyone hinted their roles so bluntly, but they waited until the game ended to suggest corrections. You've decided to make corrections yourself during the game without anyone's permission. It wasn't ok as it caused tension during the game.
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Post by pelassarias on Dec 10, 2017 20:23:45 GMT
If dragontartare is who I think they are (which I'm pretty certain she is), wouldn't it be more fun/dramatic to vote for dragontartare so she can use her ability to decide who's the spy once and for all? If I'm doing the math correctly, this means that the game will be over no matter who dragontartare chooses. If romice is open to this, I'm willing to try this out, just for the drama. (As for my final defense, I'll type one out in about 12 hours or so! Gotta sleep on it!) If I understand correctly who you are hinting at, I didn't see any clues from dragon about being that character I might of course be blind, but I still have no idea who she might be, any of the four remaining characters might be her. Honestly, you being so sure of that might be a strong lead to you being a Venatori. But, I know that if I vote for you, then you'll vote for me and dragon still has the tiebreaker vote. So it really doesn't matter Dragontartare made a comment (it was way too subtle and can be interpreted in another way to be classified as an outright hint imo) that suggests that she's more than likely a role that can take another player down when voted for. The likelihood of her being that role has also increased. Whether she is that role or a spy (which given the situation and my suspicions, I don't believe she is the spy), I figured it would be more fun to vote for her!
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Post by dragontartare on Dec 11, 2017 4:08:16 GMT
Dragontartare made a comment (it was way too subtle and can be interpreted in another way to be classified as an outright hint imo) that suggests that she's more than likely a role that can take another player down when voted for. The likelihood of her being that role has also increased. Was it when I threatened gervaise that she'd regret voting me off? I didn't mean to be specific to any role, I just wanted her to vote for someone else We know:Leliana: TheHeroOfFerelden Cole: fylimar Vivienne: gervaise21 Cullen: nvanfleet Blackwall: Obsidian Gryphon Solas: Serza Varric: Space Cowboy We don't know:Josephine: The heros would regret voting this player off before they get to use their ability. Dorian: His ability isn't activated if he's voted off, therefore heros would regret losing this player prematurely. Iron Bull: Ability activates if player is voted off. I guess heros wouldn't want to vote this person off too early, before the player could identify any spies. Sera: Ability is irrelevant at this point, since one of the feuding players was eliminated early on. Cullen's Mabari: Can potentially deactivate a spy, especially late in the game when potential spies have been identified, so heros would regret voting off this player. Additionally, the comment could refer to being a spy, since I could have turned around on the next night cycle and taken revenge on gervaise by killing her. I'm not a spy, though There are four roles left at this point that gervaise could have regretted voting off and any of them could apply to me, yet you seem to think I'm Iron Bull...and you're so sure that you're willing to go ahead and vote me off on that chance. Would the other hero be so sure of which role I might have? Would the other hero be willing to take the risk that I'm not Iron Bull and vote me out of the game, leaving the remaining spy to win? I think not. I think, pela, that you had the insane luck of being a villain in both concurrent games.
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Post by romice on Dec 11, 2017 7:49:31 GMT
Dragontartare made a comment (it was way too subtle and can be interpreted in another way to be classified as an outright hint imo) that suggests that she's more than likely a role that can take another player down when voted for. The likelihood of her being that role has also increased. Was it when I threatened gervaise that she'd regret voting me off? I didn't mean to be specific to any role, I just wanted her to vote for someone else We know:Leliana: TheHeroOfFerelden Cole: fylimar Vivienne: gervaise21 Cullen: nvanfleet Blackwall: Obsidian Gryphon Solas: Serza Varric: Space Cowboy We don't know:Josephine: The heros would regret voting this player off before they get to use their ability. Dorian: His ability isn't activated if he's voted off, therefore heros would regret losing this player prematurely. Iron Bull: Ability activates if player is voted off. I guess heros wouldn't want to vote this person off too early, before the player could identify any spies. Sera: Ability is irrelevant at this point, since one of the feuding players was eliminated early on. Cullen's Mabari: Can potentially deactivate a spy, especially late in the game when potential spies have been identified, so heros would regret voting off this player. Additionally, the comment could refer to being a spy, since I could have turned around on the next night cycle and taken revenge on gervaise by killing her. I'm not a spy, though There are four roles left at this point that gervaise could have regretted voting off and any of them could apply to me, yet you seem to think I'm Iron Bull...and you're so sure that you're willing to go ahead and vote me off on that chance. Would the other hero be so sure of which role I might have? Would the other hero be willing to take the risk that I'm not Iron Bull and vote me out of the game, leaving the remaining spy to win? I think not. I think, pela, that you had the insane luck of being a villain in both concurrent games. I kind of get where pela is coming from. If you were The Mabari you would have probably already used your ability and if you are Josie or IB you'll use it today. So that's a 50/50 chance that you will have the deciding vote if we vote you out. But still, it's 50% that you will just die. And then the spy wins, no matter who it is. Of course, dragon, I might be totally wrong and YOU are a spy. Then voting for you will let us win. But I haven't gotten any spy vibes from you, unlike pela. So, let's hope I'm making the right decision by voting for pelassarias.
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Post by Space Cowboy on Dec 11, 2017 13:18:39 GMT
All three of you are making convincing arguments
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Dragontartare made a comment (it was way too subtle and can be interpreted in another way to be classified as an outright hint imo) that suggests that she's more than likely a role that can take another player down when voted for. The likelihood of her being that role has also increased. Was it when I threatened gervaise that she'd regret voting me off? I didn't mean to be specific to any role, I just wanted her to vote for someone else You weren't specific in your role. Players have certain psychological reactions to being voted off depending on their role. Observing these reactions is how you can discern their role. That's perfectly fine. You weren't giving information on character's heritage or their habits. Saying, 'I dare you to vote me off!' is general and could be Venatori bluffing. That's like saying 'Don't vote me, I'm a very important role.' It's too general and isn't a hint.
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Post by pelassarias on Dec 11, 2017 19:06:31 GMT
Was it when I threatened gervaise that she'd regret voting me off? I didn't mean to be specific to any role, I just wanted her to vote for someone else You weren't specific in your role. Players have certain psychological reactions to being voted off depending on their role. Observing these reactions is how you can discern their role. That's perfectly fine. You weren't giving information on character's heritage or their habits. Saying, 'I dare you to vote me off!' is general and could be Venatori bluffing. That's like saying 'Don't vote me, I'm a very important role.' It's too general and isn't a hint. Exactly, I just had a small feeling at that time that you were this role based on this comment. And it seems to me you are more than likely this role now. I don't necessarily see how me being a bit too observant and figuring out that you're more than likely a certain role based on a comment/the situation could be seen as suspicious. I completely understand this is down to the wire and everything, but I was just trying to offer a way to end this game in a dramatic way, that's all!
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Post by pelassarias on Dec 11, 2017 20:17:44 GMT
Since romice has already voted for me, I'm going to vote for romice. If this player changes her mind about the more fun option I'll be willing to change my vote. Also, as part of my defense I would like to reiterate that figuring out a player is more than likely a role shouldn't be seen as suspicious. There's a good chance dragontartare could be two roles at the moment (Iron Bull and Josephine), based on a comment I have a feeling she's the former, but it is possible she's the latter. Either way, voting for her will result in dragontartare using her ability and ending the game. Based on the fact that dragontartare did not outright object to my offer and started focusing on how/why I could have figured out her possible role I have an even stronger feeling that she is one of those roles. (If she was another role she would've have figured a way to convince romice and I not to vote for her at that moment). Another major point I would like to bring up as part of my defense is how romice and I acted/voted during the past rounds. I have to say, looking back, I think we both acted a bit suspicious. But I believe what sets me apart from romice is how I acted during the round when Hero was eliminated. I believe this moment was crucial in setting apart who was a part of the Inquisition and who wasn't. I was one of the players who picked up on the possibility that Hero was Leliana, so I did not want to vote for him. I even brought up this fact to the rest of the players to encourage people to vote for another. If I was a spy, why would I do this? Bringing up the fact that Hero could have been Leliana while being a spy doesn't make that much sense; bringing up this possibility to other players would definitely convince the other players to vote for another. Well, most of the time. But back to my point: Why bring up this fact anyhow when you can just convince others that Hero was a spy, like what luke did? Why bring up this fact at all when a spy could just go along with the bandwagon without trying to discuss with the other players, like what smilesja and romice did? Although dragontartare voted for Hero, she was trying to have a discussion with gervaise about the situation. That's more than what luke, smilesja, and romice did in the end. I realize what I did with Hero wasn't perfect. I could have been the one to take the initiative to start the other bandwagon, but I wasn't confidant enough in my abilities to vote for another, especially after what happened with OG. I was afraid that I would accidentally vote for another powerful role, like Cullen. But I did bring up the fact that he could have been Leliana. I did try to encourage others to vote for another. Again, that's a lot more than what luke, smilesja, and romice did, and that's one of the reasons why she's the spy. ETA: I would also like to point out that romice is currently trying to throw suspicion towards dragontartare from her past post. Which is I think is a bit odd. I believe this is another tactic from her to throw off suspicion and to try to confuse the current situation. But I know better. I know that dragontartare is not the spy especially after her last actions from this game. I hope dragontartare will look at my past action, and my current one, and realize I'm not a spy as well.
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Post by Space Cowboy on Dec 11, 2017 23:55:01 GMT
pelassarias _ Good point about Leliana/Hero. Here's the thing. I also did this when I was a spy, and hanako was leliana. At that time hanako had already identified Dragon, however, so it mad sense for me to defend them, because the alternative, voting for hanako, would have thrown suspicion on me, and Dragon, the other spy at the time, was going to either be voted out or identified overnight, no matter what we did. Your case is different because you didn't have to defend Hero, if you were a spy. In fact if he hadn't identified any spies yet, that's the perfect time to vote him out from the spies perspective. I have my own suspicions about who the spy is this time, but dead dwarves tell no tales
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Post by pelassarias on Dec 12, 2017 3:50:03 GMT
pelassarias _ Good point about Leliana/Hero. Here's the thing. I also did this when I was a spy, and hanako was leliana. At that time hanako had already identified Dragon, however, so it mad sense for me to defend them, because the alternative, voting for hanako, would have thrown suspicion on me, and Dragon, the other spy at the time, was going to either be voted out or identified overnight, no matter what we did. Your case is different because you didn't have to defend Hero, if you were a spy. In fact if he hadn't identified any spies yet, that's the perfect time to vote him out from the spies perspective. I have my own suspicions about who the spy is this time, but dead dwarves tell no tales Yeah, I definitely agree that a spy could not vote for Leliana and defend that player to drive off suspicion, like what you did in the previous game. But like you said, my case here is a bit different. I didn't even have to defend Hero and bring up the fact that he could have been Leliana in that situation. If I were the spy, it would have made sense to either vote for Hero or not vote for him and don't bring up the fact that he could be Leliana. In short, I just don't see if I was actually the spy why would I draw attention to something like this with the great possibility of that backfiring tremendously. Especially when no other players brought up that Hero could have been a powerful role. So yeah, this theory of me being the spy and romice isn't is just a bit wonky to me, considering what I did. And the reason why this situation of me being the spy doesn't make the most sense when you think about it is because I'm not!
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Post by dragontartare on Dec 12, 2017 5:12:16 GMT
Eeny meeny miny mo, Catch a cultist by the toe... Too bad I can't decide that way I compiled the following to try to find a pattern. Day 1luketrevelyan: commented on how bandwagon votes don't go well for him; voted for romice, but mentioned he might change his vote later smilesja: voted for Hero (bandwagon vote) romice: voted for OG due to attack by fruitcake pela: voted for OG due to attack by fruitcake dragon: didn't want to vote for a "hero." Voted romice. (Second bandwagon) Day 2luketrevelyan: began the Hero/Leliana murder-wagon smilesja: jumped onto Leliana murder-wagon romice: jumped onto the Leliana murder-wagon, reserved right to change vote later pela: voted for dragon, citing belief that Hero had an important role dragon: followed nvan onto Luke's Leliana murder-wagon; big argument with gervaise about why Day 3luketrevelyan: claimed to be suspicious of dragon and smiles; voted romice smilesja: voted romice romice: voted smilesja pela: commented during the night cycle that we still have Vivienne; weird italic message with Serza about playing along; voted romice but was suspicious of Luke dragon: voted luketrevelyan **Note that Vivienne died this night Day 4smilesja: voted romice romice: voted smilesja; switched vote to pela after Serza posted evidence; switched vote to smilesja "to solidify things" pela: followed vote for romice; switched vote to Serza dragon: began vote for romice; switched to smilesja due to pela/romice controversy I still don't know. I'm a terrible person to break the tie. romice, do you have any defense?
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Post by romice on Dec 12, 2017 10:33:07 GMT
I don't think anything me or pela say now should be the deciding factor in your decision. Both of us will say anything to put the blame on the other. But let's see... From what I noticed, pelassarias always followed votes made by other players, not coming up with candidates on her own. It might indicate that she didn't want to stick her head up, to stay hidden from view. I used that strategy when I was a spy with gervaise and it served me well for quite a while. On the other hand, on day 1 I pretty much started the OG bandwagon, not worrying who took notice of that. My other argument is that pela never voted for any of the spies that we know of. It's not much, I know but it's something. She is the only remaining player that didn't vote for smilesja. Good luck, dragon, Inquisitions fate is in your hands
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Post by Obsidian Gryphon on Dec 12, 2017 14:01:07 GMT
I don't know what's everyone's beef with fruitcakes. I mean, look at this; Doesn't it look sumptious?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 12, 2017 14:02:16 GMT
I don't know what's everyone's beef with fruitcakes. I mean, look at this; Doesn't it look sumptious? I wouldn't want to eat that pine cone or get hit in the eye with it. But, it looks pretty.
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Post by dragontartare on Dec 12, 2017 14:42:21 GMT
I don't know what's everyone's beef with fruitcakes. I mean, look at this; Doesn't it look sumptious? Not if it's thrown at me Are you sure that's fruit cake? I've never seen one iced like that. Though, I actively avoid them, so I guess I wouldn't know.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 12, 2017 15:55:52 GMT
Due to a good amount of snowfall, fruitcake fight is out of season! We must have snowball fight! mwuahaha! //hit by a shovel
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Post by Serza on Dec 12, 2017 15:59:01 GMT
Sorry, that was the Spirit of Lulz that got you with the shovelload of snow...
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Post by Deleted on Dec 12, 2017 16:36:26 GMT
Sorry, that was the Spirit of Lulz that got you with the shovelload of snow... You had to remind me of my responsibilities. I'm super excited because we tend to start getting serious snowfall, the type that will stay on the ground rather than melt, closer to the middle/end of December. Each Christmas season I get bouncy when we start having big snow - like today the type which I need to go shovel - because I always want a white Christmas. I tend to get sick of the snowdrifts bigger than my house in February, but in December it's really exciting. We also bought a Christmas tree this Saturday. Didn't cut the trunk yet and left it in our backyard. My family celebrates New Year almost as big as Christmas. We want it to stand longer into January. Buying it later won't help because the trees get sold out once we get closer to Christmas and only the crooked ones get left, so we buy earlier and then leave it outside. Possibly, this Sunday we will set it up. Last year we had a tree which we barely pulled out of the car (it was 7/8 footer) so this year we got a small one (6/7). It's still great looking! The scent is wonderful. It's felt even outside. It's 12th already. Christmas is sneaking up on us.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 12, 2017 18:07:01 GMT
Current Votes: pelassarias 1 vote romice 1 vote
Still to Vote: 10. dragontartare
The voting closes in 24h.
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Post by dragontartare on Dec 12, 2017 19:04:41 GMT
Current Votes: pelassarias 1 vote romice 1 vote
Still to Vote: 10. dragontartare
The voting closes in 24h. First you taunt me with your snow (it no longer does that here), and then you try to pressure me into voting. That is voter fraud, and it's a crime. Shame on you!
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Post by Deleted on Dec 12, 2017 19:06:09 GMT
Current Votes: pelassarias 1 vote romice 1 vote
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The voting closes in 24h. First you taunt me with your snow (it no longer does that here), and then you try to pressure me into voting. That is voter fraud, and it's a crime. Shame on you! Shame? What's that? Or if you REALLY don't want to solve this tie we could always resolve it by the means of DEAAADDLIEST combat!
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Post by dragontartare on Dec 12, 2017 19:08:41 GMT
First you taunt me with your snow (it no longer does that here), and then you try to pressure me into voting. That is voter fraud, and it's a crime. Shame on you! Shame? What's that? Or if you REALLY don't want to solve this tie we could always resolve it by the means of DEAAADDLIEST combat! Lol. Don't tempt me, I thought about just leaving it to chance. I'm going to try to figure out after work. I'm leaning towards romice being the spy right now.
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