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Post by TheHeroOfFerelden on Dec 18, 2017 0:03:45 GMT
I don't see how my vote will affect anything since the shieldwall against Hero is formidable. Thus, I'll sit back and see how it all plays out. A mighty flame follows a tiny spark! If i had adopted that mindset i wouldn't be the Hero that i am now. You're right though...
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Post by smilesja on Dec 18, 2017 1:30:02 GMT
I do agree with Serza about Flymiar's logic.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 18, 2017 2:45:21 GMT
I'm somewhat puzzled. Straight after I voted for Fylimar she starts to assert things about Hero. Apparently the explanation for this was originally more than currently appears. I'm at a loss. In addition to not giving hints as to your identity, I thought you couldn't say "I think so and so is a spy because of my role". Saying I vote for someone because "I know he is a Venatori" seems to be as good as claiming a role outright because there is only one person who can categorically say that about someone after the first night. So was is going on here? Incidentally it does not necessarily follow that the person will die the next night if another person is doing their job correctly because they should naturally want to protect this person because of the big hint as to who they are, so that is giving a big advantage to the heroes as well. I am only questioning this bandwagon because of the way in which it came about, not because I am a spy and wanting to protect a fellow spy. If you were an investigative role, and used your ability to identify a spy, given the rules, how would you communicate that to the rest? If all we can do is say "Well I vote for 'x' for reasons" then it doesnt really stand out amongst the random votes everyone else is forced to do in round one. I guess I'm wondering whats the point of an investigative role if the knowledge they learn cant be communicated to the others? Hanako had this in game 2. They identified a spy and communicated it. They didnt directly claim the role either but it was pretty clear why they were saying it. not claiming the role outright nearly led them to be voted off, and did lead to Hero getting voted off using the same role in the next game. What Space said. Who told you guys that this is a legitimate claim or that Venatori aren't trying to flush real Leliana out to kill her at the cost of one of their own? What makes you think that with as many as 13 players, Leli got so very lucky night 1? Since nobody is claiming roles it will be hard for them to id her to kill her before she figures out too many roles with thirteen players to pick from. When someone is claiming your role, it's typical to argue against or vote against that person. You could find yourself in a situation that you've voted off an inno and next day the person who argued/voted against the person who made such a claim dead and happen to be Leli. Anybody can say, 'Oh I know who's evil!' General statements like that are allowed, the same way you're allowed to say 'I dare you to vote me off.' Could be anybody claiming it and bluffing it.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 18, 2017 2:46:56 GMT
Current Votes: smilesja 1 vote Tittus 1 vote pelassarias 1 vote fylimar 2 votes TheHeroOfFerelden 6 votes
Still to Vote: 10. smilesja
I believe after 5 games, I need not remind to follow the voting format to veteran players?
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Post by dadithinkimgay on Dec 18, 2017 3:32:50 GMT
Sorry for the disrupting the thread guys. I had rough experiences with people who hates the prequels so I tend to get guarded. Anyway I vote for herooferelden because there was something about him that felt off from the beginning of the game. bold that vote! bold that vote!
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Post by smilesja on Dec 18, 2017 3:55:53 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Dec 18, 2017 4:16:32 GMT
Current Votes: smilesja 1 vote Tittus 1 vote pelassarias 1 vote fylimar 2 votes TheHeroOfFerelden 7 votes Still to Vote:Thanks for bolding (and ahem saying from to when switching... ) Anyway, it's zzzz time for me. The voting is still open for you to resolve whether you're following the right lead or not. The voting ends tomorrow Dec 18th.
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Post by fylimar on Dec 18, 2017 6:32:26 GMT
I'm somewhat puzzled. Straight after I voted for Fylimar she starts to assert things about Hero. Apparently the explanation for this was originally more than currently appears. I'm at a loss. In addition to not giving hints as to your identity, I thought you couldn't say "I think so and so is a spy because of my role". Saying I vote for someone because "I know he is a Venatori" seems to be as good as claiming a role outright because there is only one person who can categorically say that about someone after the first night. So was is going on here? Incidentally it does not necessarily follow that the person will die the next night if another person is doing their job correctly because they should naturally want to protect this person because of the big hint as to who they are, so that is giving a big advantage to the heroes as well. I am only questioning this bandwagon because of the way in which it came about, not because I am a spy and wanting to protect a fellow spy. I didn't care, that you voted for me, because it was first round and no one had a clue. That my post came right after yours was coincidence in this case. As for reasons, I have said, what I could without telling too much, I even changed ne post because I thought it could stretch the rules too much.
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Post by Serza on Dec 18, 2017 9:04:29 GMT
So what's happening?
Is anyone else gonna bring up something to shake this around, or are we sure Hero is one of them?
I'm a bit confused here.
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Post by gervaise21 on Dec 18, 2017 13:24:58 GMT
I didn't care, that you voted for me, because it was first round and no one had a clue. That my post came right after yours was coincidence in this case. As for reasons, I have said, what I could without telling too much, I even changed ne post because I thought it could stretch the rules too much. The reason I was querying it was that I didn't see the original post but other people did and seemed to think the evidence in it was conclusive. I came late to the show and wonder what you originally said that had them so convinced you were telling the truth. Who told you guys that this is a legitimate claim or that Venatori aren't trying to flush real Leliana out to kill her at the cost of one of their own? What makes you think that with as many as 13 players, Leli got so very lucky night 1?
This idea had occurred to me. If you wanted to flush out the real Leliana then short of successfully picking on her, so she has to reveal herself to prevent being voted off (Hanako), the only other way is to target someone and imply you are Leliana in the hope that the real one will reveal themselves by voting against you, or simply calling your bluff.
Another reason that the spies might use this tactic is to convince people that one of their number is Leliana so people will trust them in the future and Cullen will waste their skill guarding a Venatori spy. In this scenario Hero would still be a spy but willingly sacrifice himself to reinforce the deception. So everyone would then be convinced that Fylimar is legit and she gets a free pass to the end of the game (unless the spies kill off the real Leliana). Which is why this ploy would be difficult to pull off because the real Leliana would instantly investigate Fylimar and flag up they were an imposter, although I suppose if they were clever they would just keep the information to themselves and then study who seems to support Fylimar so as to pinpoint the other spies.
I still feel, though, that saying "I know" someone is a spy so early in the game is as good as claiming the role of Leliana since they are the only person who could be in such a position (apart from other spies).
I am just putting these thoughts out there so people don't start instantly accusing me of being a spy because I won't change my vote (not that it would make a blind bit of difference now anyway). It is unfortunate that such a bandwagon vote will give us so few clues about voting patterns when it comes to the next round. At this point, even if Hero is one of their number the other spies are likely voting with the mob to cover themselves and make the rest of us look bad.
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Post by Space Cowboy on Dec 18, 2017 14:01:37 GMT
Gervaise has some good points. Not enough that I want to change my vote however. If hero is a spy and sacrificing himself then so be it. We can investigate fylimar later if there is some doubt.
Pretending to be Leliana would be very clever. Difficult to pull off though.
Do we know how many spies this time?
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Post by Space Cowboy on Dec 18, 2017 14:12:34 GMT
This idea had occurred to me. If you wanted to flush out the real Leliana then short of successfully picking on her, so she has to reveal herself to prevent being voted off (Hanako), the only other way is to target someone and imply you are Leliana in the hope that the real one will reveal themselves by voting against you, or simply calling your bluff.
I'm not sure what you mean by this? We didnt pick on hanako. They announced one of us was a spy and we went with it, I supported them. Edit: Oh and also..
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Post by gervaise21 on Dec 18, 2017 17:27:27 GMT
Unless I have misunderstood the narrative there are 3 spies:
Naughtiest Grinch Impiest Grinch Orlesiest Grinch
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Post by gervaise21 on Dec 18, 2017 17:34:30 GMT
I'm not sure what you mean by this? We didnt pick on hanako. They announced one of us was a spy and we went with it, I supported them. I was just using that as an example of Leliana having to reveal herself because of being in imminent danger of being voted off. Naturally you didn't actually target Leliana per se but the voting just worked out in a way that helped the spies. When I was Leliana I was very careful not to reveal who I was, although other people were speculating as to my identity. When I had investigated Nvanfleet, because I suspected he might be the remaining spy, I still didn't just say that I knew he was a spy the following day. I used the evidence that had caused me to investigate him to back up my assertion that he was the remaining spy. The knowledge he was the spy allowed me to present the evidence with absolute conviction because I knew he was guilty but I still didn't use my identity of Leliana to try and persuade people because I thought that wasn't allowed.
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Post by gervaise21 on Dec 18, 2017 17:48:05 GMT
In terms of making accusations and naming your role, there is a grey area because you still need to accuse. Let's pretend you are Leli. You asked me at night who phoray is. I told you she's a Venatori Assassin. Day Time You cannot say openly: 'HEY GUISE! I'm Leli! I checked phoray last night! And she's totally evil. Vote her off! But you CAN infer your role indirectly by saying: 'Hey guys, I have VERY strong reasons to suspect phoray (maybe list reasons which prompted you to investigate phoray in the first place). You need to trust me and vote against her with me. At this point the others may guess that you're Leli because you're claiming to have info, but they had to derive it. phoray can defend herself and say you're just an assassin trying to frame me. So, players will have to make a choice whether to trust you or side with phoray or ignore it and vote entirely against someone else. This was how it was explained before the first game that, if you were Leliana, you could use the information you gained from your ability. This is exactly how I presented my information about Nvanfleet. I had very strong reasons for suggesting that Nvanfleet was the spy and listed them. I did not simply say that "I know Nvanfleet is a spy". So in the current instance there are no reasons to justify the night-time investigation, it was just a (lucky) guess so saying "I know" does imply the use of a special ability because there is no other evidence to justify this stance.
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Post by pelassarias on Dec 18, 2017 18:35:01 GMT
Although flyimar's timing was a bit fishy, it's not fishy enough to change my vote.
I also believe it's a lot more possible that this player is who I think she is than the other alternatives.
I spy would more than likely not pretend to be this role, just to sacrifice themselves or another, this early on in the game. Even if it meant buying them more time or wasting an ability. But that's the thing: it would only buy them a litte time. Afterwards, we would catch on to what they have been doing, and they would more than likely lose the game. This tactic is very hard to pull off for the long term.
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Post by fylimar on Dec 18, 2017 18:47:46 GMT
I think, what gervaise21 means is, that I was a bit direct. I didn't claim a role and there are a few roles, that can get really lucky with their abilities, but I agree, that I could have been a bit more discreet. It doesn't matter, who of the heros I am, I've made myself a target and I'm aware of that. But I'm really not that concerned that I will be voted off or get killed, because the truth will always come out and I will have done more, than in the last two games combined
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Post by Deleted on Dec 18, 2017 18:59:34 GMT
Whelp then, my dear Whovillers of Skyhold. Let us see whom you've caught.
The eliminated players isTheHeroOfFerelden - The Naughtiest Grinch Venatori! Please receive your bag of candy coal. *** NIGHT SNEAKS UP ON SKYHOLD ***
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Post by Space Cowboy on Dec 18, 2017 19:03:46 GMT
Yay for us! Fylimar good call! Even if you are performing some elaborate ruse.
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Post by gervaise21 on Dec 18, 2017 19:03:55 GMT
I will have done more, than in the last two games combined
Bearing in mind you awful luck in the last two games, particularly last one when you must have been looking forward to playing Cole, I totally understand your determination to make a difference this time round and feel involved in the action.
I don't think anyone is going to change their vote now, not enough to make a difference anyway, so now I'm just waiting for the truth to reveal itself.
EDIT: It just did.
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Post by pelassarias on Dec 18, 2017 19:06:03 GMT
Well, whether or not this was a part of the rest of the spies' plan, this is still a big plus for us! There's only two more left now (if i'm counting right)! And I'm going to adjust my Naughty List accordingly... Meanwhile, fylimar is at the top of my Nice List for the time being.
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Post by dadithinkimgay on Dec 18, 2017 19:34:32 GMT
Great, now that that is settled, I have a list as well, and Gervais is at the tippy top!
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Post by Space Cowboy on Dec 18, 2017 20:00:10 GMT
Well, whether or not this was a part of the rest of the spies' plan, this is still a big plus for us! There's only two more left now (if i'm counting right)! And I'm going to adjust my Naughty List accordingly... Meanwhile, fylimar is at the top of my Nice List for the time being. those spies are tricksy though, and they have a special ability this game
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Post by dragontartare on Dec 18, 2017 20:28:26 GMT
Whelp then, my dear Whovillers of Skyhold. Let us see whom you've caught.
The eliminated players isTheHeroOfFerelden - The Naughtiest Grinch Venatori! Please receive your bag of candy coal. *** NIGHT SNEAKS UP ON SKYHOLD *** Cole Greatly Approves
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Post by TheHeroOfFerelden on Dec 18, 2017 20:43:14 GMT
Gives candy coal to Cole
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