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Post by gervaise21 on Dec 28, 2017 22:08:22 GMT
Adonniel: If the person becomes a Grinch Venatori do they still keep their abilities? So if Iron Bull was turned and then voted off could he still take someone else down with him? If Josephine was turned could she still sway the votes to one person? (I realise the latter is unlikely since Josie would hardly have a soldier toy)
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Post by Space Cowboy on Dec 28, 2017 22:09:14 GMT
If they use the grinch ability tonight, that will mean no one will be trustworthy tomorrow except whoever Cullen protects. I assume they will keep protecting Fylimar. I do know, who Blackwall is After Serza had been identified we talked a lot about the Grinch ability. When the subject was first brought up the previous day (by Hero I think) Adonniel confirmed that not only could Cullen protect other people from the Shrink the Heart but Blackwall could protect himself. So unless Blackwall had already used his ability on a previous night it would have made sense for him to use it last night. Also the spies would be unlikely to target Blackwall in case he did use his ability and their action would be wasted. So I think it is a fairly safe bet that they did target Cullen as he could not protect himself. The only other possibility would be Iron Bull but we do not even know he is in play do we? That would seem likely, yes. Well, Hanako being bull is how some of us read their gif. Maybe they can clarify? Sounded like a cover. Bull might very well not be in play.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 28, 2017 22:13:45 GMT
Gerva Nope. They cannot transfer abilities. The spies regular ability is stabzors. The hero ornament becomes a regular spy.
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Post by Space Cowboy on Dec 28, 2017 22:21:10 GMT
You know what? I just read back and something clicked. I dont think Hanako is the spy, but they might have been turned. not sure enough to vote for them.
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Post by Space Cowboy on Dec 28, 2017 22:24:32 GMT
For now I'll vote Tittus. I may change it should further evidence present itself.
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Post by fylimar on Dec 28, 2017 22:45:17 GMT
Space Cowboy : please read my posts again, it seems we have again wrongly assumed a role is in play, that isn't. So forget the whole Iron Bull crap, Bull is probably not in this round. It was another case of misguided identity . And I'm pretty sure, it's Cullen, who has been turned. According to adonniels last post, it means 2 spies again.
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Post by Space Cowboy on Dec 28, 2017 22:52:12 GMT
Space Cowboy : please read my posts again, it seems we have again wrongly assumed a role is in play, that isn't. So forget the whole Iron Bull crap, Bull is probably not in this round. It was another case of misguided identity . And I'm pretty sure, it's Cullen, who has been turned. According to adonniels last post, it means 2 spies again. Noted, thanks Yep two spies again. A powerful ability if it were used when few heroes are present. It seems we are somewhat lucky at least.
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Post by pelassarias on Dec 29, 2017 0:49:43 GMT
I have to say If I were to be suspicious about anyone else, it would be Space right now. Part of it is feeling, but I have to admit the way went in line to vote for me struck me as a tad suspicious.
Also I agree with gervaise about the possibility of the old spy voting for me during the previous round, which is why I don't find Tittus as suspicious as Space right now. If Dad and Hanako aren't spies, then Space was the other prominent player who voted for me. As for the new spy, the old spy more than likely targeted Cullen. I'm thinking maybe it's romice or possibly Tittus.
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Post by Tittus on Dec 29, 2017 0:54:54 GMT
Oh no. If I was Cullen I'd have protected Gervaise, since the spies wouldn't risk to attack Fylimar and waste a night.
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Post by Space Cowboy on Dec 29, 2017 2:01:57 GMT
I have to say If I were to be suspicious about anyone else, it would be Space right now. Part of it is feeling, but I have to admit the way went in line to vote for me struck me as a tad suspicious. Also I agree with gervaise about the possibility of the old spy voting for me during the previous round, which is why I don't find Tittus as suspicious as Space right now. If Dad and Hanako aren't spies, then Space was the other prominent player who voted for me. As for the new spy, the old spy more than likely targeted Cullen. I'm thinking maybe it's romice or possibly Tittus. Hey now, I said I was sorry. No, I was actually under the apparently incorrect assumption that hanako was bull, and I'm a little nervous around that ability due to the first mass effect game
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Post by Serza on Dec 29, 2017 2:02:58 GMT
*laughs in a deep, very Krogan voice*
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Post by Space Cowboy on Dec 29, 2017 2:10:43 GMT
Oh no. If I was Cullen I'd have protected Gervaise, since the spies wouldn't risk to attack Fylimar and waste a night. We don't know whether that was exactly what Cullen did at some point, but plainly not the last round where Gervaise got puppy-napped. Not a bad idea
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Post by Space Cowboy on Dec 29, 2017 2:11:21 GMT
*laughs in a deep, very Krogan voice*
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Post by gervaise21 on Dec 29, 2017 8:17:55 GMT
Oh no. If I was Cullen I'd have protected Gervaise, since the spies wouldn't risk to attack Fylimar and waste a night. To be fair to Cullen I had said how I'd rather be sacrificed than leave Leliana unprotected and clearly he took his favourite mabari at his word.
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Post by gervaise21 on Dec 29, 2017 8:42:06 GMT
Okay a run down of the list of characters updated:
Always present: Leliana - identified, Cullen - possibly identified but now being denied - could have been turned. Known to be present or eliminated: Sera, Varric, Blackwall, Cole, Solas, Dorian, Mabari Absent or still to be revealed: Bull, Josephine, Vivienne
With 3 spies originally that makes only one role left that has not been shown to be definitely in play.
Space, you say you have been playing it low key because of "reasons" but I would say you have been fairly high profile this game and actively contributing to the discussions.
Anyway you are not Sera because you mistook someone else for that role and she would have no reason to avoid notice. If you are Bull or Josephine then even if voted off you can still help the team by either taking the suspected spy with you or changing the vote to someone else. If Vivienne then your power only comes into play if you are killed so whilst we wouldn't necessarily want to vote you off it is not the worst role to lose by mistake and you are not likely to be killed in the night as the spies will obviously go for Leliana. If you are Cullen then it seems likely you have been turned anyway so the team will still have eliminated a Grinch.
Now the only thing I can think of to counter my arguments is that in an earlier round you said you were waiting to see how Serza voted before making a decision and a spy would not so obviously link themselves to another spy. However, as I pointed out at the time, you then went ahead and took action without them anyway so maybe it was a double bluff.
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Post by romice on Dec 29, 2017 9:02:10 GMT
Right now I'm torn between voting Hanako and Space. Hanako seems to have hinted at IB, who I think is not in play. But they have been quiet lately and I'm not sure how to interpret that. About Space, I have to agree with what gervaise said, there just doesn't seem to be a role for him left. I'll hold off on voting until those two make a deffence, or other more promising candidates come to light
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Post by Space Cowboy on Dec 29, 2017 10:27:54 GMT
Right now I'm torn between voting Hanako and Space. Hanako seems to have hinted at IB, who I think is not in play. But they have been quiet lately and I'm not sure how to interpret that. About Space, I have to agree with what gervaise said, there just doesn't seem to be a role for him left. I'll hold off on voting until those two make a deffence, or other more promising candidates come to light Insert sherlock Holmes quote here about "once you've eliminated the impossible, whatever remains must be the truth."
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Post by Space Cowboy on Dec 29, 2017 10:43:13 GMT
Okay a run down of the list of characters updated: Always present: Leliana - identified, Cullen - possibly identified but now being denied - could have been turned. Known to be present or eliminated: Sera, Varric, Blackwall, Cole, Solas, Dorian, Mabari Absent or still to be revealed: Bull, Josephine, Vivienne With 3 spies originally that makes only one role left that has not been shown to be definitely in play. Space, you say you have been playing it low key because of "reasons" but I would say you have been fairly high profile this game and actively contributing to the discussions. Anyway you are not Sera because you mistook someone else for that role and she would have no reason to avoid notice. If you are Bull or Josephine then even if voted off you can still help the team by either taking the suspected spy with you or changing the vote to someone else. If Vivienne then your power only comes into play if you are killed so whilst we wouldn't necessarily want to vote you off it is not the worst role to lose by mistake and you are not likely to be killed in the night as the spies will obviously go for Leliana. If you are Cullen then it seems likely you have been turned anyway so the team will still have eliminated a Grinch. Now the only thing I can think of to counter my arguments is that in an earlier round you said you were waiting to see how Serza voted before making a decision and a spy would not so obviously link themselves to another spy. However, as I pointed out at the time, you then went ahead and took action without them anyway so maybe it was a double bluff. All I can tell you is I've defended Fylimar from the moment she identified a spy at the beginning, and my continued participation is good for her survival.
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Post by Serza on Dec 29, 2017 11:10:32 GMT
To be perfectly honest, there were two problems about voting Fylimar off.
One of them was named Gervaise, and the other was named Cowboy. Both were so well allied with her I had little choice but to pretend and bide my time...
Pretty shitty for my first time, to be honest.
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Post by gervaise21 on Dec 29, 2017 14:32:10 GMT
All I can tell you is I've defended Fylimar from the moment she identified a spy at the beginning, and my continued participation is good for her survival. Oh you sweet talking good guy. It's a good job I'm not voting then because now you have made me doubt. *Wags tail and gives puppy eyes.* One of them was named Gervaise, and the other was named Cowboy. Both were so well allied with her I had little choice but to pretend and bide my time... Which would suggest that your obvious target for the shrink the heart would be Cowboy. So what are you trying to pull here Serza? *Grrr, Woof.* Hanako seems to have hinted at IB, who I think is not in play. But they have been quiet lately and I'm not sure how to interpret that. Hanako has been cleared by Fylimar and apparently is not Iron Bull.
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Post by gervaise21 on Dec 29, 2017 14:36:01 GMT
I know he has been a spy recently and has shown very little engagement but I do find it amusing that we have all totally ignored Smiles in these discussions. He might as well not exist. May be he is Sera and that accounts for his lack of interest. *Sits down and scratches out a flea."
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Post by gervaise21 on Dec 29, 2017 14:59:07 GMT
About Space, I have to agree with what gervaise said, there just doesn't seem to be a role for him left. No, there is a role for him, in fact more than one, particularly as you seem to be back peddling about being a certain role. What I was originally questioning was how necessary it was for him to keep in the background if he was one of the roles I originally identified with him, one of which has to be in play because there are 10 heroes and 3 spies. If Space is not a spy and has not been turned then there a two potential roles he could be where it would not matter if the vote went against him, as he could still use it to our benefit, and two roles where it would not be beneficial to us for him to be voted off. As I have previously said, I am discounting the idea that Space could be Sera because he thought someone else was. Tittus and Smiles are also a mystery as to the role they could be but then it is against the rules to give obvious hints as to our role. Most roles have been identified simply because the people have been voted off (Pelassarias: Dorian) or stolen (Dragon: Cole; OG: Solas; Me: Puppies) or revealed by abilities (Hero: Spy; Hanako: Blackwall; Serza: Spy). Plus we know who Leliana is because of her early lucky break with investigations and Varric because he shot someone. Cullen and Sera are definitely present but we cannot be sure who they are and Cullen may have been turned into an enemy, although even that could be open to doubt. Then there is one more floating role, either Iron Bull, Josephine or Vivienne.
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Post by gervaise21 on Dec 29, 2017 15:13:23 GMT
I really think you have to look at voting patterns to get any clues. I've gone back to Round One before the revelation from Fylimar.
The first person to vote was Hanako (someone had to) and she made a random vote for Smiles. We know that because she has been cleared by Fylimar.
2nd vote was by Serza for Tittus. Call me stupid if you like but I do not think one spy would risk starting a random bandwagon on another spy. Then Tittus retaliated on Serza so risking another bandwagon on a fellow spy. This seems very unlikely behaviour for two spies. Serza kept his vote on Tittus even after Hero had been outed by Fylimar. He may have been trying to defend Hero before changing his vote but even so, would he really risk leaving his vote on another fellow spy? Tittus meanwhile changed his vote fairly quickly from a retaliatory vote on Serza to Hero.
On the basis of his behaviour in both Round One and Round Two voting plus Serza's behaviour as a known spy, it seems highly unlikely that Tittus is a spy or for that matter they would target him for turning when there were other more attractive targets.
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Post by fylimar on Dec 29, 2017 16:49:24 GMT
Just a short lifesign: I'm at my parents until tomorrow, but I haven't forgotten the vote, I'm still contemplating. Tittus is not suspicious. I must say, I do have some doubts about space (sorry, space) and of course smiles.
I know, who Sera is, it's none of those two
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Post by Serza on Dec 29, 2017 16:51:25 GMT
All I can tell you is I've defended Fylimar from the moment she identified a spy at the beginning, and my continued participation is good for her survival. Oh you sweet talking good guy. It's a good job I'm not voting then because now you have made me doubt. *Wags tail and gives puppy eyes.* One of them was named Gervaise, and the other was named Cowboy. Both were so well allied with her I had little choice but to pretend and bide my time... Which would suggest that your obvious target for the shrink the heart would be Cowboy. So what are you trying to pull here Serza? *Grrr, Woof.* Hanako seems to have hinted at IB, who I think is not in play. But they have been quiet lately and I'm not sure how to interpret that. Hanako has been cleared by Fylimar and apparently is not Iron Bull. Would he? That is unfortunately decision beyond my pay grade as I stopped paying any sort of attention to our PM, and no such mentions were made before I stopped. Of course, neither of us has - or should have - much say in this, as we seem to have eliminated each other. Indeed, I made the choice that you be targeted...
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