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Post by warden on Nov 6, 2018 23:36:00 GMT
That way everyone will be happy. 😉 Well except the Grey Warden / Weisshaupt Fans. Not really, after the piece of garbage that adamant fortress was, I hope they stay away from wardens for a long time.
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Post by arvaarad on Nov 7, 2018 0:15:45 GMT
plus he’s bitter about having to talk to Orlesians. I found it odd that PW made Teagan the Ferelden Ambassador to Orlais in Masked Empire because he never struck me as someone who would make a good diplomat. I can think of a couple real-life countries who send terrible/aggressive diplomats to countries they hate. If the general populace of Ferelden also hates Orlais, they might not see any issue with sending a representative who’s going to be a dick to them.
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Post by theascendent on Nov 7, 2018 0:40:13 GMT
Regarding the war with the Qunari (cough), it's the Ben-Hassrath who will be the more dangerous threat than their army. Trespasser showed how much damage they can do. And unlike the blatantly obvious Qunari military, their spies could be anywhere or anyone.
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Post by gervaise21 on Nov 8, 2018 21:20:50 GMT
If the general populace of Ferelden also hates Orlais, they might not see any issue with sending a representative who’s going to be a dick to them If you are in a position of strength then I would agree. However, Teagan was sent when Ferelden was still recovering from the Blight, so considerably weakened and the last thing they would want would be another invasion. Orlais had not yet started their civil war and Celene had been making friendly overtures towards them whilst discouraging her compatriots from wanting to recover their lost province, so what was needed was someone who wouldn't give either Celene or the more militaristic members of her Court a reason to change policy. Sending someone who would be a dick was not in Ferelden's best interests.
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Post by Sifr on Nov 9, 2018 8:06:27 GMT
I wonder if that isn't in character for Teagan though. Isn't he the one who stirred up all the nobles against Loghain in Origins? Could be he's always had a problem with authority figures/politicians of any sort. That's my suspicion, that Teagan's distrust of the Inquisition isn't really any different than his distrust of Loghain, as he believes that both have used a major crisis as an excuse to make a political power grab.
Teagan's "sudden" distrust of the Wardens in Trespasser may not be that out of character either. For all we know, he may very well distrust the order overall and might even have felt the same way about letting Orlesian Wardens into Ferelden as Loghain did?
His friendliness towards the Warden in Origins may have only been because Loghain was the more obvious threat at the time, his "sort of" nephew was a member and he felt indebted to the Warden, because (regardless of what happens to Redcliffe, Connor and Isolde) they helped to save Eamon's life.
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Post by arvaarad on Nov 9, 2018 13:33:20 GMT
If the general populace of Ferelden also hates Orlais, they might not see any issue with sending a representative who’s going to be a dick to them If you are in a position of strength then I would agree. However, Teagan was sent when Ferelden was still recovering from the Blight, so considerably weakened and the last thing they would want would be another invasion. Orlais had not yet started their civil war and Celene had been making friendly overtures towards them whilst discouraging her compatriots from wanting to recover their lost province, so what was needed was someone who wouldn't give either Celene or the more militaristic members of her Court a reason to change policy. Sending someone who would be a dick was not in Ferelden's best interests. True, countries never do things which are not in their best interests. Especially when strong resentments are involved. When I look around at world leaders, I see nothing but calm, collected pillars of rationality.
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Post by gervaise21 on Nov 9, 2018 15:50:37 GMT
When I look around at world leaders, I see nothing but calm, collected pillars of rationality. As the Chinese would say, we live in interesting times. Something peculiar has happened to politics during the 21st century. However, it used to be the case that countries would ensure their ambassador was someone reliable who would know how to behave in order not to ruffle too many feathers even if the political leaders and ordinary folk back home would like nothing better. They were also expected not to abuse "diplomatic immunity" but that seems to have gone out the window as well. Not every advancement in our civilisation has been improvement.
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Post by arvaarad on Nov 9, 2018 23:33:56 GMT
When I look around at world leaders, I see nothing but calm, collected pillars of rationality. As the Chinese would say, we live in interesting times. Something peculiar has happened to politics during the 21st century. However, it used to be the case that countries would ensure their ambassador was someone reliable who would know how to behave in order not to ruffle too many feathers even if the political leaders and ordinary folk back home would like nothing better. They were also expected not to abuse "diplomatic immunity" but that seems to have gone out the window as well. Not every advancement in our civilisation has been improvement. From what I’ve heard from history buffs, politics has always been weird. But we mentally smooth out the weirdness as time goes on. With hindsight, humans are great at looking back and assigning serious, overarching motives to stuff that was actually our dumb ape brains doing dumb ape things. Everything has to have an explanation, because randomness is too scary and unpredictable. The longer we’ve had to look back on history, the longer we’ve had to hallucinate this purposefulness. So historical figures may seem more serious and measured than they actually were.
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Post by Fen'Harel Faceman on Nov 13, 2018 5:04:34 GMT
On the contrary, I want a game solely about the Qun (or at least central focus is the Qun), and Qunari being the only race you can pick. Then you have to pick a side at start and your origin, tal-Vashoth or being part of the Qun. MAKE IT HAPPEN!
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Post by Deleted on Nov 13, 2018 6:26:57 GMT
what else should they focus on? the tevinter familes? the last Archdemon?
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Post by Heimdall on Nov 13, 2018 15:05:00 GMT
what else should they focus on? the tevinter familes? the last Archdemon? I was think more on resolving the Solas plot, with the war serving as more of a backdrop that we will be involved in but we won’t be resolving in this game.
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Post by gangrelbeckett on Nov 13, 2018 16:18:50 GMT
what else should they focus on? the tevinter familes? the last Archdemon? I was think more on resolving the Solas plot, with the war serving as more of a backdrop that we will be involved in but we won’t be resolving in this game. Why? The Solas Story is another Save the World Story. Especially after the very boring Corypheus Plot its very unimaginative to tell this story again. At the end of DA 4 Solas will be stopped like Corypheus before and he will likely be killed by the Player, someone else or commiting suicide. Solas isn´t allowed to win. So whats the point of this Plot?
The Tevinter vs Qunari is a lot more interessing because we will likely have more options to choose. Also they don´t want to destroy the World. Maybe conquer it.
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Post by Heimdall on Nov 13, 2018 16:46:47 GMT
I was think more on resolving the Solas plot, with the war serving as more of a backdrop that we will be involved in but we won’t be resolving in this game. Why? The Solas Story is another Save the World Story. Especially after the very boring Corypheus Plot its very unimaginative to tell this story again. At the end of DA 4 Solas will be stopped like Corypheus before and he will likely be killed by the Player, someone else or commiting suicide. Solas isn´t allowed to win. So whats the point of this Plot?
The Tevinter vs Qunari is a lot more interessing because we will likely have more options to choose. Also they don´t want to destroy the World. Maybe conquer it.
So you think the Solas plot should be ignored? I don’t really think that’s an option. We can be involved with the conflict between Tevinter and the Qunari without making it the focus of the story. Like The Witcher 3, a lot of the plot could deal with navigating the consequences of that conflict in pursuit of other goals.
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Post by gangrelbeckett on Nov 13, 2018 17:18:55 GMT
So you think the Solas plot should be ignored? I don’t really think that’s an option. We can be involved with the conflict between Tevinter and the Qunari without making it the focus of the story. Like The Witcher 3, a lot of the plot could deal with navigating the consequences of that conflict in pursuit of other goals. No i would prefer that only the last part of the DA 4 is about Solas. Kill him and be done with him.
But the majority of DA 4 should be about Tevinter and the Qunari. Maybe a little portion of Weisshaupt in the middle.
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Post by arvaarad on Nov 14, 2018 1:07:30 GMT
what else should they focus on? the tevinter familes? the last Archdemon? Titans, Executors, the northern continent, reconstruction after the Mage-Templar War, the reigniting tensions between Orlais and Ferelden (Gaspard believes they should invade, and Celene could get pressured into it by chevalier unrest), dragons are still coming back, the Formless One’s probably up to something (the Forbidden Ones’ involvement has escalated with each game), the Prince of Starkhaven is having a hissy fit, general Serault weirdness...
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Post by andydandymandy on Nov 14, 2018 1:33:51 GMT
Solas is going to be the main antagonist of DA4. The Qunari will be the second biggest threat of the game.
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Post by Sifr on Nov 19, 2018 2:31:13 GMT
what else should they focus on? the tevinter familes? the last Archdemon? There are two Archdemons left... at least we hope.
(The Astrariums in DAI brought up the possibility there may be a forgotten Eighth Old God, so there might be three left.)
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Post by Deleted on Nov 19, 2018 2:57:27 GMT
what else should they focus on? the tevinter familes? the last Archdemon? There are two Archdemons left... at least we hope.
(The Astrariums in DAI brought up the possibility there may be a forgotten Eighth Old God, so there might be three left.)
I'd like to see the last Dragon Priests as well - and see them control entire vasts of the Darkspawn hoards too, like make them actually intimidating or something, not like Cory (of whom had so many possibilities of could have beens, but whom was thrown away at the last second) or the good ol Architect (I like him, but lol, I'd really just like to see a whole massing army coming on your PC in the Deep Roads). Like make it reminiscent of DA:O's battle sequences or something; remake the Darkspawn back into how scary they were in DA:O.
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Post by wright1978 on Nov 22, 2018 18:29:45 GMT
I just hope any war is treated far better than the mage/Templar or orlais civil war.
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Post by jadedragon on Nov 27, 2018 0:47:27 GMT
I just hope any war is treated far better than the mage/Templar or orlais civil war. Agree 100% with this. DAI had 2 wars and a major threating type event and both were downplays of wars and events of DAO. The civil war in Origins wasn't the main focus like the blight was but it was a major plot event that we got to play a role in. Orlais civil war was 98% in a book and the other 2% was coming in at the end of the war literally to just crown the new ruler. We did more in the dwarven kingdom then here. The mage templar war if you count when it officially started at the End of DA2 we got to contribute to maybe 5% to 10% of that war itself in game. Other then hinterlands no other place displayed the war up until when we picked a side. The Qunari threat was been teased since Origins. And just as much as the Mage/Templar war. Just like DA2 and DAI was a resolving of that plot point. I want DA4 to put the Qunari Invasion as the best in game war we have seen. DAI focusing more on the Breach was fine but to much focus went towards it that it watered down the other happenings in thedas. The balance wasn't good at all. Da4 should be a balance of Tevinter's reform, Qunari War and Solar events to wrap up everything.
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Post by General Mahad on Nov 27, 2018 8:22:33 GMT
I would imagine stopping Solas would the focus and the Qunari invasion as well as the Tevinter civil war would be the window dressing, much like the Mage/Templar war and Gray Warden corruption of DA:I.
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Post by Walter Black on Nov 27, 2018 22:06:33 GMT
On the contrary, I want a game solely about the Qun (or at least central focus is the Qun), and Qunari being the only race you can pick. Then you have to pick a side at start and your origin, tal-Vashoth or being part of the Qun. MAKE IT HAPPEN! For the longest time it was a fantasy of mine that Bioware could farm out smaller and more personal race specific games to Obsidian and/or Telltale. Games where we could completely immerse ourselves in the lore and hero's journey of an elf, a dwarf, a qunari and/or spirit/demon of the Fade. Since the former was acquired by Microsoft and the former went under... Well, there's always home brewed tabletop campaigns and fan fiction...
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Post by Walter Black on Nov 27, 2018 22:09:03 GMT
I actually would like some sort of follow up about the lyrium tattoo experiments that were used on Fenris actually. I always wanted to explore that a bit more. Especially since I have assumed that the ritual that enslaved (and enhanced) Fenris, came by way of the Evanuris "slave" markings. Meaning, "acquired" Elvhenan magic. Hrmmmm....? I do find it both ironic and nice foreshadowing that, despite tecnically being a city elf, Fenris has much more in common with the Ancient Elvhenan than the Dalish ...
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Post by TheEmptyRoad on Dec 3, 2018 6:06:09 GMT
Merrill: Help with the ancient elf stuff So I just had a crazy thought...what if in addition to Stenishok being an (fleshed-out and complex) antagonist, we get Merrill helping the Egg? She does love her some Eluvian shenanigans and ooooooooh, lots of drama.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Dec 3, 2018 6:09:57 GMT
Merrill: Help with the ancient elf stuff So I just had a crazy thought...what if in addition to Stenishok being an (fleshed-out and complex) antagonist, we get Merrill helping the Egg? She does love her some Eluvian shenanigans and ooooooooh, lots of drama. I don’t see why she would help Solas. Ignoring the fact he is literally the devil of her religion, Varric no doubt warned her about everything that was going on.
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