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Post by Sifr on Dec 7, 2018 10:18:44 GMT
Shouldn't these be;
"The Death Star was an inside job." "Flatooine!" "What are they spraying? Glitterstim! Google it!"
"Think we landed on a moon, you're a fool! It's a space-station!" "Trandoshans! Wake up sheeple!"
"Alderaan was a false-flag operation."
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Post by Terminator Force on Dec 7, 2018 10:47:25 GMT
How you know it makes no sense if not willing to debate it? Condemnation without investigation is the height of ignorance. And if the truth is on your side then you should have no fear to investigate this further with me. It should be easy to debunk flat Earth, right?Now your answer also had nothing to do with what we were discussing. Was trying to define the terms at which height is curvature visible at? And for some more context and perspective, do you know or ever look up the diameter of Earth by chance? Or the calculations for Earth's curvature? I agree with you on a few pop-culture topics, but man... you're just coming off as desperate & foolish now Term. It might be time to have some mercy/humility & just put this thread out of its misery. Seriously dude, you are just parroting the same silly, stubborn nonsense at this point. Please, have some perspective This thread is mostly for myself and my flat Earth passion. All are welcome. And all are free to avoid it too. Better to keep it concentrated in one place of forum then spreading it everywhere else where others can't avoid it. But if you or anyone else are genuinely concerned with my well being, there is one solution. Present me with 'non fallacious arguments' with 'zero assumptions' that prove the Earth is a sphere and I will concede. Nothing stubborn about this, right? Otherwise do not worry, as long as I can discuss my flat Earth passion, I'm very happy.
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Post by Terminator Force on Dec 8, 2018 9:21:42 GMT
Shouldn't these be;
"The Death Star was an inside job." "Flatooine!" "What are they spraying? Glitterstim! Google it!"
"Think we landed on a moon, you're a fool! It's a space-station!" "Trandoshans! Wake up sheeple!"
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Post by Sifr on Dec 9, 2018 7:35:21 GMT
Tattooine does not have two suns, wake up people! You're either hallucinating from the chemtrails or seeing Nbiru.
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Post by Terminator Force on Dec 9, 2018 11:55:13 GMT
Tattooine does not have two suns, wake up people! You're either hallucinating from the chemtrails or seeing Nbiru. Speaking of two Suns, there is some phenomena in our sky that cause the effect of two suns. ^ Alas the maker of this video inserts some NASA propaganda about Nibiru and other nonsense. ^ Some footage of two suns captured by weather channel. The footage at the very end if very interesting because I've never seen footage of two suns on complete opposite of the horizon. They usually next to each other. I'll add three more video footage in the spoiler tag;
That about should do it to give you guys some idea and multiple sources for two suns.
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Post by Terminator Force on Dec 12, 2018 11:52:43 GMT
Alright, lets address the latest Lavochkin post in the science thread on how far we can see video link; For how much that guy talks about the curvature of the Earth, he forgot to use the Earth's curvature calculations for Mount Dankova to Hindy Tagh at 538 miles away. So lets do the Earth's curvature calculations with the info that mountain Dankova is 19625 feet/5,982 metres/3.717042 miles high and mount Hindu Tagh is 17880 feet/5,450 metres/3.386473 miles high. So are you see, if you were at the top of puny 3 mile high Dankova mountain looking at puny 3 mile high Hindu Tagh, it should be hidden and buried behind 16 miles of Earth curvature (Hidden= 16.92 Miles). With refraction Hidden= 13.44 Miles. Moving on, he also talks about being able to see light years away. Well the inverse square law (a scientific law) debunks these wild claims. The inverse-square law, in physics, is any physical law stating that a specified physical quantity or intensity is inversely proportional to the square of the distance from the source of that physical quantity.Inverse square law even debunks the 93 million miles distance to sun and 238,000 miles distance to moon.
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Post by dmc1001 on Dec 12, 2018 15:48:32 GMT
My main thing here is the why of it all? Why the global conspiracy? What does NASA or whoever else gain by doing this? What do you gain by attempting to refute it? Once you get here, you're more or less saying science is a lie. That's when we get into the idea of creationist theory.
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Post by Space Cowboy on Dec 12, 2018 16:30:01 GMT
My main thing here is the why of it all? Why the global conspiracy? What does NASA or whoever else gain by doing this? What do you gain by attempting to refute it? Once you get here, you're more or less saying science is a lie. That's when we get into the idea of creationist theory. Pretty much. I've had discussions with creationists that have gone in a similar way. I posted something indicating a round earth, then he posted a "debunk" video. It's pointless back and forth. And it's all lies that he's bought in to.
A creationist even admitted to me once, he isnt doing it to convince me, he's doing it in the hope that someone who isnt as certain about science will see it and be convinced by him. It's all manipulation. Probably how the OP got hooked on it to begin with.
His comment that "atheists are being converted in record numbers" (two, up from one?) says it all. It's a recruitment tactic, nothing more. Science says the Bible is wrong about the shape of the Earth, therefor science must be wrong. No really! The bible is right, and the word of god! And He wants you to come to church and donate money! I promise! lol
Irony is, he claims the government/illuminati are trying to hide the truth to manipulate the masses, when that's exactly what the religious institutions have been doing for hundreds of years, if not thousands. (Since people started figuring stuff out about the world independently that is.)
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Post by Terminator Force on Dec 12, 2018 17:49:53 GMT
And here I thought there would some rebuttals to explain why we can see so far. Or something to debunk the inverse square law. My main thing here is the why of it all? Why the global conspiracy? What does NASA or whoever else gain by doing this? What do you gain by attempting to refute it? Once you get here, you're more or less saying science is a lie. That's when we get into the idea of creationist theory. Well when you expose a lie as big as the shape of the Earth, then all the other lies fall down like dominoes. Aren't you interested in the truth and how many lies have you figured out? Science is not a lie, it actually proves things 100%. The problem is the word science has been hijacked. Science is a method to validate and invalidate cause and affect, that's it. So if someone can't provide you the scientific method (observed natural phenomena, dependent/independent variable, etc), then it's not science. And you're really hung up on the creationist VS Atheism subject, why? Would a flat Earth prove a creator to you? Asking because not all flat Earthers are creationists.
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Post by Terminator Force on Dec 12, 2018 17:52:25 GMT
My main thing here is the why of it all? Why the global conspiracy? What does NASA or whoever else gain by doing this? What do you gain by attempting to refute it? Once you get here, you're more or less saying science is a lie. That's when we get into the idea of creationist theory. Pretty much. I've had discussions with creationists that have gone in a similar way. I posted something indicating a round earth, then he posted a "debunk" video. It's pointless back and forth. And it's all lies that he's bought in to.
A creationist even admitted to me once, he isnt doing it to convince me, he's doing it in the hope that someone who isnt as certain about science will see it and be convinced by him. It's all manipulation. Probably how the OP got hooked on it to begin with.
His comment that "atheists are being converted in record numbers" (two, up from one?) says it all. It's a recruitment tactic, nothing more. Science says the Bible is wrong about the shape of the Earth, therefor science must be wrong. No really! The bible is right, and the word of god! And He wants you to come to church and donate money! I promise! lol
Irony is, he claims the government/illuminati are trying to hide the truth to manipulate the masses, when that's exactly what the religious institutions have been doing for hundreds of years, if not thousands. (Since people started figuring stuff out about the world independently that is.)
Have already stated, if any of you can prove the shape of the Earth to me without logical fallacies and assumptions, I'll concede.
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Post by Sifr on Dec 12, 2018 17:53:26 GMT
My main thing here is the why of it all? Why the global conspiracy? What does NASA or whoever else gain by doing this? What do you gain by attempting to refute it? Once you get here, you're more or less saying science is a lie. That's when we get into the idea of creationist theory. The bigger question is who was in charge of maintaining the conspiracy before NASA was formed in 1958?
And if you get into conspiracies about there being an "Ice Wall" that surrounds a Flat Earth, how exactly can we expect NASA, (who cannot even afford to run the Space Shuttle program anymore) to somehow be capable of maintaining the constant veil of secrecy and surveillance needed to keep the existence of a giant Ice Wall from leaking to the public?
Also wouldn't the Soviet's have debunked the US and NASA's claim to have sent men to the moon, by revealing definitive proof that the world was flat? What reason would they have had to keep the existence of a Flat Earth hidden from everyone, when they could have so easily discredited and humiliated the US by outing the conspiracy?
As cool as it would be to live on a Discworld, I have doubts that NASA, let alone any group, could maintain the masquerade for more than five minutes without it all coming tumbling down.
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Post by Space Cowboy on Dec 12, 2018 17:57:26 GMT
Have already stated, if any of you can prove the shape of the Earth to me without logical fallacies and assumptions, I'll concede. You know very well, there is no proof that would make you concede. It's a pointless exercise. The prevailing knowledge is that we are on a globe. The burden of proof lies on the one making the claim that contradicts what science has already demonstrated.
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Post by Terminator Force on Dec 12, 2018 18:03:22 GMT
My main thing here is the why of it all? Why the global conspiracy? What does NASA or whoever else gain by doing this? What do you gain by attempting to refute it? Once you get here, you're more or less saying science is a lie. That's when we get into the idea of creationist theory. The bigger question is who was in charge of maintaining the conspiracy before NASA was formed in 1958?
And if you get into conspiracies about there being an "Ice Wall" that surrounds a Flat Earth, how exactly can we expect NASA, (who cannot even afford to run the Space Shuttle program anymore) to somehow be capable of maintaining the constant veil of secrecy and surveillance needed to keep the existence of a giant Ice Wall from leaking to the public?
Also wouldn't the Soviet's have debunked the US and NASA's claim to have sent men to the moon, by revealing definitive proof that the world was flat? What reason would they have had to keep the existence of a Flat Earth hidden from everyone, when they could have so easily discredited and humiliated the US by outing the conspiracy?
As cool as it would be to live on a Discworld, I have doubts that NASA, let alone any group, could maintain the masquerade for more than five minutes.
Jesuits and Roman Catholic Church seem to behind the lie. ie. Did you know 35 moon craters are named after Jesuit Priests? Or that the largest telescope belongs to the Vatican and is called Lucifer?As for how hard or easy it is to cover up and maintain a lie, well., I'll let Mark Twain answer this;
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Post by Terminator Force on Dec 12, 2018 18:07:59 GMT
Have already stated, if any of you can prove the shape of the Earth to me without logical fallacies and assumptions, I'll concede. You know very well, there is no proof that would make you concede. It's a pointless exercise. The prevailing knowledge is that we are on a globe. The burden of proof lies on the one making the claim that contradicts what science has already demonstrated. That's just your assertion. And you just used appeal to authority and appeal to consensus logical fallacies. Logical fallacies are proof of nothing. And what is this science you mention that proves the ball Earth?
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Post by Terminator Force on Dec 12, 2018 19:38:38 GMT
Have already stated, if any of you can prove the shape of the Earth to me without logical fallacies and assumptions, I'll concede. You know very well, there is no proof that would make you concede. It's a pointless exercise. The prevailing knowledge is that we are on a globe. The burden of proof lies on the one making the claim that contradicts what science has already demonstrated. Here you go (third time mentioning this); Inverse square law of light contradicts mainstream narrative distance to moon, sun and that we can see light-years away claim. Now the ball is in your court.
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Post by Phantom on Dec 12, 2018 20:32:18 GMT
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Post by dmc1001 on Dec 12, 2018 20:50:03 GMT
Have already stated, if any of you can prove the shape of the Earth to me without logical fallacies and assumptions, I'll concede. You know very well, there is no proof that would make you concede. It's a pointless exercise. The prevailing knowledge is that we are on a globe. The burden of proof lies on the one making the claim that contradicts what science has already demonstrated. It often comes down to "show me the photographic/video evidence." Then, when shown, the response is "it's fake". There's no winning when you buy into crazy conspiracies. Nothing will convince those people.
In any case, the "conspiracy" has gone on for a long time. Columbus must have bought into it (also, contrary to what is often claimed, many people knew the Earth was round back then). Even beyond that, in the 6th Century BCE people knew the Earth was round. We now have a conspiracy that stretches back over 2500 years. The Illuminati have only been around since the late 18th Century. Who was holding up the conspiracy before then? Fact is, now only does FE "science" not hold up, but neither do the conspiracy theories behind it.
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Post by dmc1001 on Dec 12, 2018 20:56:44 GMT
Science is not a lie, it actually proves things 100%. It proves something, but not what you believe. Still waiting for the water to fall off the edge when the ice caps start to melt. Of course, that's a conspiracy to. It has to be or you whole conspiracy falls apart completely.
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Post by dmc1001 on Dec 12, 2018 21:01:44 GMT
One last thing. The question of why the conspiracy would exist was neatly evaded.
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Post by Space Cowboy on Dec 12, 2018 21:19:40 GMT
One last thing. The question of why the conspiracy would exist was neatly evaded. We should focus on that, I agree
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Post by Space Cowboy on Dec 12, 2018 21:57:56 GMT
Logical fallacies are proof of nothing. And what is this science you mention that proves the ball Earth? I didn't offer proof, nor did I make a claim, I described the "mainstream narrative" as you call it, just as you did below. You are the one making a claim. Show your work. You know very well, there is no proof that would make you concede. It's a pointless exercise. The prevailing knowledge is that we are on a globe. The burden of proof lies on the one making the claim that contradicts what science has already demonstrated. Here you go (third time mentioning this); Inverse square law of light contradicts mainstream narrative distance to moon, sun and that we can see light-years away claim. Now the ball is in your court. No, it's in yours. pretty graphs prove nothing. So what? What does this have to do with a flat earth? Can you explain that or can you only repost others work, without understanding it yourself?
And while you're at it, answer DMC1001's question about why this conspiracy you are claiming is at all necessary.
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Post by Space Cowboy on Dec 12, 2018 22:03:17 GMT
If the sun and the moon are the same distance away, and the moon is it's own light source, explain this: Also, explain why the moon covering the sun like that only casts a tiny shadow on the earth, only visible in a small region? And while you're at it, explain time zones and day night cycles.
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Post by Son of Dorn on Dec 12, 2018 22:11:41 GMT
No! You're a towel!
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Post by Qui-Gon GlenN7 on Dec 13, 2018 0:34:45 GMT
The sadness here is the obstinacy, and the wasted dendrites.
TF is a weird bird. Smart enough, maybe too clever for his own good. Also slippery as a greased eel - you will get no answers to your questions, just more questions.
Sad.
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Post by Terminator Force on Dec 13, 2018 1:55:17 GMT
Are you a Christian, Phantom? But yes, there is a debate among the Christians as to wether the bible is a flat Earth book. Only know this, the main churches under the FCC can't go against the mainstream narrative in fear of losing their tax exempt. There was a live debate between two Christians on if the bible is a flat Earth book or not on last Flat Earth conference in Denver between Rob Skiba vs. Dr. Robert Sungenis. You might be interested in; ... You know very well, there is no proof that would make you concede. It's a pointless exercise. The prevailing knowledge is that we are on a globe. The burden of proof lies on the one making the claim that contradicts what science has already demonstrated. It often comes down to "show me the photographic/video evidence." Then, when shown, the response is "it's fake". There's no winning when you buy into crazy conspiracies. Nothing will convince those people.
In any case, the "conspiracy" has gone on for a long time. Columbus must have bought into it (also, contrary to what is often claimed, many people knew the Earth was round back then). Even beyond that, in the 6th Century BCE people knew the Earth was round. We now have a conspiracy that stretches back over 2500 years. The Illuminati have only been around since the late 18th Century. Who was holding up the conspiracy before then? Fact is, now only does FE "science" not hold up, but neither do the conspiracy theories behind it.
You can show videos and pics, but it has to be observable and repeatable to most people for verification. And how did people in the past know the Earth was a round? Show me this non fallacious evidence. Don't just say it and not back it up. ... Science is not a lie, it actually proves things 100%. It proves something, but not what you believe. Still waiting for the water to fall off the edge when the ice caps start to melt. Of course, that's a conspiracy to. It has to be or you whole conspiracy falls apart completely. Then show me the science that back's up the globe Earth and I'll be forced to accept it. Simple. And why assume there's an ice wall? Could be a dirt wall, rock wall, the dome itself, all of the above, etc, etc. ... One last thing. The question of why the conspiracy would exist was neatly evaded. Answered that on page 8. Here is that post again in the spoiler; ... If the sun and the moon are the same distance away, and the moon is it's own light source, explain this: Also, explain why the moon covering the sun like that only casts a tiny shadow on the earth, only visible in a small region? And while you're at it, explain time zones and day night cycles. Did you know that the moon is never seen going in front of the sun? In fact, the moon goes missing for 3 days during a sun eclipse. There are some other anomalies too I might show later. ... No, it's in yours. pretty graphs prove nothing. So what? What does this have to do with a flat earth? Can you explain that or can you only repost others work, without understanding it yourself? Inverse square law of light is a law of nature, laws of nature are pretty lock and sealed. But sure, I'll prove this law to you. Go up to a light and put your palm pretty close to it, now keep looking at your palm as you back away. Inverse square law of light proven. Did this with my kitchen sink light today. ... And while you're at it, answer DMC1001's question about why this conspiracy you are claiming is at all necessary. Indeed. Occam's Razor certainly has its limitations, but it's still a a useful tool when debunking something as... quaint... as the flat earth theory. Actually, Occam's Razor favors flat Earth. ie. Flat Earthers see a building across a lake and say "Building." Ball Earthers go "No, the building you're seeing there is a hologram. It's being refracted over the curvature of the Earth because we have this model we believe in with a presuppositional Earth radius value."
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