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Post by Space Cowboy on Dec 13, 2018 13:40:43 GMT
They say a picture (or a video) is worth a thousand words. It's only a 5 min video. Play it at double speed if you have too. Big bright ball in the sky that lights shit up when it appears in the morning, yet you want me to watch a video that attempts to contradict that. No. Explain it in your own words, if you can. I have better things to do than watch obvious nonsense.
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Post by Terminator Force on Dec 13, 2018 14:05:23 GMT
... But there's more profit to keep someone sick by eliminating the symptoms and not the cause so they keep buying your pills. Haven't seen my old man in years and wasn't too pleased to see he was on a tray of pills. I suppose that the fact that people are dying in their 90's rather than their 60's because of those pills is irrelevant?... This conversation has come full circle as the motive is; Knowledge is in the hands of the few and the rest are kept ignorant. The classic structure for manipulation and control. No it didn't, I pointed out that there's no inherent advantage in a lie when it comes to controlling the masses, when the truth serves just as well. You on the other hand failed to provide sufficient explanation as to why such mind-boggling conspiracy would be required. (I don't think you grasp the sheer magnitude of resources and dedication that would be needed to keep such a lie more or less intact) That's just an assertion. And if I've failed to provide sufficient explanation, then I've failed. So it doesn't make sense to you that a brainwashed ignorant person would be easier to manipulate and control? I've suggested this many times, yet you ignore it. Religions are the ones who stand to profit if more people believe what they say. Some of them are in the business of attempting to fool the ignorant (FE and creationism) in order to bolster their donation making ranks. They see science (ie mainstream) as a threat to their existence so make up stuff to attempt to get people to not believe science, and stick to what the bible says. This isn't an assumption, by the way, creationists have told me this. The people who wrote the bible, bronze age sheepherders as I like to call them, didn't have the tools we have for determining the nature of the world around them. Lightning was from God, Volvcanos were from God, everything that happened was 'explained' by goddidit. Sumerians, thousands of years before the Bible was written, came up with what you call the 'flat earth' model because, from their limited (by our standards) viewpoint, that's how the world appears. They didn't have telescopes, or jetplanes, no tools to measure or understand light or sound. They wrote all this down, in addition to many other stories you could now find in the bible, since the Bible is a collection of these stories, and reflects the prevailing knowledge of the times.
One more thing they didn't have is "noble gasses causing daylight" or whatever it is your video claims. That was apparently invented whole cloth when people pointed out to the crackpots that their theory doesnt hold water. You see, the authors of the bible and the older stories they based their writing on, didnt know about time zones, or jets, or telephones.. etc. They thought their world consisted of the Middle East. That's why the Sumerians wrote about a world wide flood sent by ther gods, because when their rivers flooded (Euphrates) they thought that was the entire world.
All this to say, eve if you insist on believing in the existence of a conspiracy to control the ignorant masses, it's a tad hypocritical considering that's exactly what flat earthers and many other religious groups, are attempting to do. But hey, have fun being brainwashed and controlled.
I agree, the churches do make lots of profit and take advantage. But the most churches don't follow the bible. Churches like to keep people ignorant and complaisant too. Churches are also behind the heliocentric (ball Earth) model and big bang. So take it you haven't watched the video and are onto another red herring...
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Post by Terminator Force on Dec 13, 2018 14:08:50 GMT
They say a picture (or a video) is worth a thousand words. It's only a 5 min video. Play it at double speed if you have too. Big bright ball in the sky that lights shit up when it appears in the morning, yet you want me to watch a video that attempts to contradict that. No. Explain it in your own words, if you can. I have better things to do than watch obvious nonsense. Not going to waste time trying to put into words what was perfectly described in a 2.5 min video at 2x speed. And I'll tell you this, if you're not willing to research flat Earth on YouTube, then you're out of luck. Because that's where most of the ball and flat Earthers hang out.
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Post by Space Cowboy on Dec 13, 2018 14:14:06 GMT
Big bright ball in the sky that lights shit up when it appears in the morning, yet you want me to watch a video that attempts to contradict that. No. Explain it in your own words, if you can. I have better things to do than watch obvious nonsense. Not going to waste time trying to put into words what was perfectly described in a 2.5 min video at 2x speed. And I'll tell you this, if you're not willing to research flat Earth on YouTube, then you're out of luck. Because that's where most of the ball and flat Earthers hang out. I have no intention on 'researching' nonsense. If you are unwilling to consider the possibility that you are the one being duped, that's your problem.
I still suspect you are a troll, who knows. Maybe you're getting a good laugh out of all this.
In any case, It's amusing to me that you reject a globe earth on the basis of what you can see with your eyes, yet when faced with a question FE can't answer, you are willing to believe something you can't see, (noble gases causing daylight) rather than what you can plainly see with your own eyes. A bit of a contradiction there.
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Post by Terminator Force on Dec 13, 2018 14:21:27 GMT
Not going to waste time trying to put into words what was perfectly described in a 2.5 min video at 2x speed. And I'll tell you this, if you're not willing to research flat Earth on YouTube, then you're out of luck. Because that's where most of the ball and flat Earthers hang out. I have no intention on 'researching' nonsense. If you are unwilling to consider the possibility that you are the one being duped, that's your problem.
I still suspect you are a troll, who knows. Maybe you're getting a good laugh out of all this.
In any case, It's amusing to me that you reject a globe earth on the basis of what you can see with your eyes, yet when faced with a question FE can't answer, you are willing to believe something you can't see, (noble gases causing daylight) rather than what you can plainly see with your own eyes. A bit of a contradiction there. Alright, but as they; condemnation without investigation is the height of ignorance. And I didn't reject anything. You're the one who rejected my video evidence without even looking at it. ... That's just an assertion. And if I've failed to provide sufficient explanation, then I've failed. I'm legitimately interested in understanding the logic here, if there is any. Again, give me something that "they" (whoever the shadowy puppet masters are in your estimation) would be able to get ONLY via the mind-boggling effort and expenditure of resources that's tied in maintaining such an obvious "lie" on a global scale. How many conspiracies have to researched enough to know they are true and not just theory? List them all of off the top of your head.
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Post by Space Cowboy on Dec 13, 2018 14:23:34 GMT
And I didn't reject anything. You're the one who rejected my video evidence without even looking at it. Even if I did watch it, what then? You know I won't believe it. A 5 minute video isn't going to change my mind about something so obvious. If you aren't willing to defend it, why should I watch it?
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Post by Terminator Force on Dec 13, 2018 14:24:58 GMT
And I didn't reject anything. You're the one who rejected my video evidence without even looking at it. Even if I did watch it, what then? You know I won't believe it. A 5 minute video isn't going to change my mind about something so obvious. If you aren't willing to defend it, why should I watch it? Then you explain to me why you don't believe it and I take it from there.
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Post by Space Cowboy on Dec 13, 2018 14:25:07 GMT
How many conspiracies have to researched enough to know they are true and not just theory? List them all of them off the top of your head. Stop dodging the question.
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Post by Terminator Force on Dec 13, 2018 14:27:14 GMT
How many conspiracies have to researched enough to know they are true and not just theory? List them all of them off the top of your head. Stop dodging the question. Just clearing terms.
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Post by Space Cowboy on Dec 13, 2018 14:29:59 GMT
Even if I did watch it, what then? You know I won't believe it. A 5 minute video isn't going to change my mind about something so obvious. If you aren't willing to defend it, why should I watch it? Then you explain to me why you don't believe it and I take it from there. 54 years of experience in the real world. Explain to me why you don't believe your own two eyes and prefer to believe an explanation in a 5 minute youtube video. have you never see n a small cloud block the sun and casting a shadow, before moving on? Do I really need to point out something so obvious?
Oh wait, you're going to claim "well there is still some light!"
Of course there is, clouds aren't solid objects. Heavier cloud, less light though. I shouldn't have to explain this to you.
Adn if you believe FE based on what you can see, why are you having trouble with this?
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Post by Space Cowboy on Dec 13, 2018 14:30:37 GMT
Stop dodging the question. Just clearing terms. Terms cleared, now answer the question. Stoip dodging.
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Post by Terminator Force on Dec 13, 2018 14:31:45 GMT
Then you explain to me why you don't believe it and I take it from there. 54 years of experience in the real world. Explain to me why you don't believe your own two eyes and prefer to believe an explanation in a 5 minute youtube video. have you never see n a small cloud block the sun and casting a shadow, before moving on? Do I really need to point out something so obvious?
Oh wait, you're going to claim "well there is still some light!"
Of course there is, clouds aren't solid objects. Heavier cloud, less light though. I shouldn't have to explain this to you.
Adn if you believe FE based on what you can see, why are you having trouble with this?
Red herring;
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Post by Terminator Force on Dec 13, 2018 14:33:14 GMT
Terms cleared, now answer the question. Stoip dodging. That's an assertion.
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Post by Space Cowboy on Dec 13, 2018 14:36:16 GMT
Terms cleared, now answer the question. Stoip dodging. That's an assertion. That's an assertion.
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Post by Terminator Force on Dec 13, 2018 15:11:41 GMT
Tu Quoque fallacy - responding to criticism by accusing the other person of the same error.
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Post by Terminator Force on Dec 13, 2018 15:26:04 GMT
Tu Quoque fallacy - responding to criticism by accusing the other person of the same error. You are aware that regardless of any supposed fallacies on his part, your position is not strengthened here, right? In the sense of "two wrongs don't make a right". How many conspiracies have to researched enough to know they are true and not just theory? List them all of off the top of your head. I don't see how that's relevant to the question I asked, so I'll reiterate: I'm legitimately interested in understanding the logic here, if there is any. Again, give me something that "they" (whoever the shadowy puppet masters are in your estimation) would be able to get ONLY via the mind-boggling effort and expenditure of resources that's tied in maintaining such an obvious "lie" on a global scale. Trying to hand hold guide you through it with baby steps since pretty sure I made myself clear enough on this matter otherwise.
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Post by Terminator Force on Dec 13, 2018 15:57:53 GMT
Trying to hand hold guide you through it with baby steps since pretty sure I made myself clear enough on this matter otherwise. By all means, "hand hold guide me", I'm waiting to hear the answer to my question. That's not how a debate goes, where only I answer the questions. You still need to answer me how many conspiracies you've uncovered to be true instead of just theories.
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Post by Terminator Force on Dec 13, 2018 16:07:01 GMT
That's not how a debate goes, where only I answer the questions. You still need to answer me how many conspiracies you've uncovered to be true instead of just theories. I mean, since I asked my question first, I'm fairly sure that when it comes to "how debate works" you should answer my question before you demand that I should answer something completely unrelated. That is, if we take conspiracy theories as serious questions that should be looked at seriously one by one, rather than an approach based on incoherent ranting of "open your eyes sheeple! the truth is OUT THERE!", that sees all conspiracy theories as some kind of fundamental truth of the universe, just by the virtue of their "subversive" nature. In any case, you are deflecting. And I already gave you several answers but it all lead back to square one, the first answer I gave you.
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Post by Terminator Force on Dec 13, 2018 16:16:15 GMT
And I already gave you several answers but it all lead back to square one, the first answer I gave you. I guess it's a bit much to ask a FE believer to debate in good faith, eh? Don't send me on a runaround, don't link me videos to watch, just answer my question in the simplest words you can manage. Because so far I didn't see you giving any satisfactory answer to this question: I'm legitimately interested in understanding the logic here, if there is any. Again, give me something that "they" (whoever the shadowy puppet masters are in your estimation) would be able to get ONLY via the mind-boggling effort and expenditure of resources that's tied in maintaining such an obvious "lie" on a global scale. Lets try something else for an answer then; Do you believe in social engineering?
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Post by Terminator Force on Dec 13, 2018 16:27:14 GMT
Lets try something else for an answer then; Do you believe in social engineering? I don't think I "believe in" it, but yes, social engineering is possible. Now, for my answer? So can you see how everything ties into social engineering, even the shape of the Earth?
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Post by Terminator Force on Dec 13, 2018 16:42:10 GMT
So can you see how everything ties into social engineering, even the shape of the Earth? Why? What's the point? How is hiding the "truth" of Flat Earth going to factor into socially engineering the masses to do anything in particular? Why can't you achieve anything you would achieve through that via much better (and cheaper) means that would use the actual truth to mask the smaller lies? Why do you think that such global mastermind with so much power and influence would allow someone like you to present "the truth" on the internet, when assuming such power they could probably erase it (and you) in an instant? That's exactly where you are running afoul of Occam's Razor. You are assuming a massive conspiracy based on nothing but the possibility that some madman with endless power influence and resources could be said to engage in something like that for an unknown purpose. This wild (to say the least) line of reasoning is what separates something like FE theory from legit theories built using the scientific method. We're getting nowhere here. How about since you mentioned the scientific method, you show me the scientific method that proves the heliocentric model.
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Post by Terminator Force on Dec 13, 2018 16:57:43 GMT
Alright, we're getting nowhere here. How about since you mentioned the scientific method, you show me the scientific method that proves the heliocentric model. When you say "we are getting nowhere", do you mean to say "I don't have a good answer for that"? Because that what it sounds like to me. You trying to shift the goalposts of the debate is not really doing a good job of disguising that. Not a good answer for someone who believes there's no conspiracies or social engineering. Even if I did have good answer, the cognitive dissonance I'd be up against for someone who doesn't believe in conspiracies and social engineering would be through the roof. (No offense. Cognitive dissonance is a thing that I've first experienced when my brother introduced me to the moon landing hoax in 2011. Took a year to get over and finally accept the moon landing as an obvious hoax)
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Post by dmc1001 on Dec 13, 2018 17:01:18 GMT
I've read the "argument" for why the conspiracy. It doesn't hold up. "Knowledge is power?" Pure bullshit. Absolutely nothing gained by lying about the shape of the Earth. Pure delusion to think it makes any difference. It's like saying the moon is really made of cheese but the government is lying about it so we continue to think cows and goats are behind cheese. Reason for that? None. Just like your claims.
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Post by dmc1001 on Dec 13, 2018 17:03:20 GMT
Am I being disingenuous? What else do you call a projection? I'm not quick to assume anything. I've researched flat Earth and the heliocentric mainstream view pretty much daily since January. Did not come to conclusion Earth was flat until 2-3 months into researching flat Earth 24-7. How long have you looked into flat Earth? Or are you just assuming it's wrong without looking into it? You are dodging the question yet again. What are the motives? Why waste so much resources on such a massive conspiracy when "the truth" would be so much easier and simpler to manage? (plus the potential of using said "truth" as a scare tactic and justification for projects intended to protect us from "falling off" or whatever...) You can't break this kind of delusion. Note that he STILL dodges the question. Every single time you repost your original question, he dodges it. Face is, there's no explanation as to why anyone would fool the public on this one. Just for the sake of having power over someone? If I went into space and looked down and saw a flat Earth, sure, it would be mindblowing. Would it ultimately affect my life? No.
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Post by Terminator Force on Dec 13, 2018 17:04:37 GMT
I've read the "argument" for why the conspiracy. It doesn't hold up. "Knowledge is power?" Pure bullshit. Absolutely nothing gained by lying about the shape of the Earth. Pure delusion to think it makes any difference. It's like saying the moon is really made of cheese but the government is lying about it so we continue to think cows and goats are behind cheese. Reason for that? None. Just like your claims. Morning, dmc.
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