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Post by Terminator Force on Dec 13, 2018 17:06:40 GMT
Not a good answer for someone who believes there's no conspiracies or social engineering. Even if I did have good answer, the cognitive dissonance I'd be up against for someone who doesn't believe in conspiracies and social engineering would be through the roof. (No offense. Cognitive dissonance is a thing that I've first experienced when my brother introduced me to the moon landing hoax in 2011. Took a year to get over and finally accept the moon landing as an obvious hoax) See, that's where you're mistaken. I don't believe that conspiracies or cases of social engineering can't happen, because obviously they can. It's just that it seems that the cognitive dissonance in your case is the exact opposite of the one that you claim that I suffer from. For you the moon-landing was a hoax, the earth is flat, 9/11 was probably done by (insert any boogyeman who ISN'T the terrorists that were implicated), etc. For me it's simple: Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence, or at the very least strong ones. All I see here is you flailing around at even pointing out a likely motive that would justify such a mind-bogglingly enormous conspiracy. I'm wondering, are there any popular conspiracy theories that you don't believe?... So who's making the extraordinary claims? Remember Occam's Razor?
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Post by dmc1001 on Dec 13, 2018 17:13:50 GMT
I've read the "argument" for why the conspiracy. It doesn't hold up. "Knowledge is power?" Pure bullshit. Absolutely nothing gained by lying about the shape of the Earth. Pure delusion to think it makes any difference. It's like saying the moon is really made of cheese but the government is lying about it so we continue to think cows and goats are behind cheese. Reason for that? None. Just like your claims. Morning, dmc. Naturally, that's all you have to say. Your reasons are exceptionally weak as to why this kind of thing would be kept secret.
Now, if we got into extraterrestrials, you could come up with reasons. This is kept secret so alien technology can be exploited and used in any conflict against other national powers. If they knew we had such technology, they would try to get it for themselves. Hence, they cover it up. This is a case where knowledge does equal power.
Reason to cover up that the Earth is flat?
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Post by Terminator Force on Dec 13, 2018 17:17:22 GMT
So who's making the extraordinary claims? Remember Occam's Razor? It's called gravity dummy. Or is that another conspiracy? There's no "up" or "down" in space. Anyway, at this point it seems that I can safely dismiss you as a religious fanatic. You dodged the question, which of the two does Occam's Razor favor? And how does gravity hold trillions of tons of water upside down on a ball while at the same time not crushing every single living thing on Earth? Furthermore on the cognitive dissonance matter;
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Post by Terminator Force on Dec 13, 2018 17:19:57 GMT
Naturally, that's all you have to say. Your reasons are exceptionally weak as to why this kind of thing would be kept secret.
Now, if we got into extraterrestrials, you could come up with reasons. This is kept secret so alien technology can be exploited and used in any conflict against other national powers. If they knew we had such technology, they would try to get it for themselves. Hence, they cover it up. This is a case where knowledge does equal power.
Reason to cover up that the Earth is flat?
How about we stick things that can be proven 100% with observable repeatable non fallacious evidence. As this leaves very little wiggle room for any of you to obfuscate.
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Post by dmc1001 on Dec 13, 2018 17:21:23 GMT
Naturally, that's all you have to say. Your reasons are exceptionally weak as to why this kind of thing would be kept secret.
Now, if we got into extraterrestrials, you could come up with reasons. This is kept secret so alien technology can be exploited and used in any conflict against other national powers. If they knew we had such technology, they would try to get it for themselves. Hence, they cover it up. This is a case where knowledge does equal power.
Reason to cover up that the Earth is flat?
How about we stick things that can be proven 100% with observable repeatable non fallacious evidence. As this leaves very little wiggle room for any of you to obfuscate. Dodging.
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Post by Terminator Force on Dec 13, 2018 17:21:55 GMT
How about we stick things that can be proven 100% with observable repeatable non fallacious evidence. As this leaves very little wiggle room for any of you to obfuscate. Dodging. I'm dodging being dragged into more speculations and obfuscations, yes.
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Post by dmc1001 on Dec 13, 2018 17:26:00 GMT
I'm dodging being dragged into more speculations and obfuscations, yes. Dodging answering the question to give a logical reason. "Knowledge is power" when it will make little difference in our daily lives is a very wear reason.
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Post by Terminator Force on Dec 13, 2018 17:27:53 GMT
I'm dodging being dragged into more speculations and obfuscations, yes. Dodging answering the question to give a logical reason. "Knowledge is power" when it will make little difference in our daily lives is a very wear reason. That's just your assertion.
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Post by Terminator Force on Dec 13, 2018 17:29:45 GMT
You dodged the question, which of the two does Occam's Razor favor? That's rich coming from you my dude. I'm still waiting for a proper answer in the question I (and others) repeated multiple times in the last page or two. And how does gravity hold trillions of tons of water upside down on a ball while at the same time not crushing every single living thing on Earth? I'm not a physicist, but this question in itself is probably answerable very easily. In any case, Occam's Razor would most certainly dictate that the answer is NOT "therefore gravity is a lie". And conceded I cannot give you a good enough answer to satisfy you. So you don't know the answer, you just 'believe' it. You've obfuscated the Occam's Razor reply.
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Post by Terminator Force on Dec 13, 2018 17:56:29 GMT
So you don't know the answer, you just 'believe' it. Obviously. There is very little in this world that you could be said to "know" with utmost certainty. There's very little you can do or say to dispute the theory that we are all part of some sort of large-scale simulation, simply because if we WERE a part of said simulation, it is likely that the rules of the simulation would prevent us from discovering it or escaping it. All that said, the mere fact that something is possible theoretically (assuming you make enough assumptions to support and excuse it) doesn't mean that it is real. You are likely an amateur, you quote pseudo-scientific mumbo-jumbo that you heard from others, you don't *know* any more than me or anyone else. You drew the target around the arrow, you made your assumptions and then found the verbal chaff to make them seem smarter than they are. The proof for that is that you seem indiscriminate when it comes to conspiracy theories. I asked you before: Are there any popular conspiracy theories that you don't believe in? Your "research" is just you spending time in the FE echo-chamber, listening to regurgitated pseudo-science about this topic. That's not "research". You've obfuscated the Occam's Razor reply. What does that even mean? Was that supposed to sound like a smart retort? No echo chamber here. I've seen both sides of the debate very thoroughly. You can't say the same. You guys keep claiming science over and over. And I keep asking for this science over and over, but still no science being presented. When is this science evidence going to be presented?
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Post by Terminator Force on Dec 13, 2018 18:11:37 GMT
No echo chamber here. I've seen both sides of the debate very thoroughly. You can't say the same. You guys keep claiming science over and over. And I keep asking for this science over and over, but still no science being presented. When is this science evidence going to be presented? I'm not a physicist or an astronomer, nothing I will say will be enough to convince a "believer" like you. See, this isn't even like the climate debate where there are still some debates and unknowns, this is settled science as far as I'm aware. And before you start screaming "appeal to authority", yes, I do consider mainstream scientific opinion as more reliable than a few tin-foil enthusiasts on YT. So you simply 'believe.' That's fine. Just don't assert it as fact if you haven't looked over most the evidence claimed by both sides.
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Post by Terminator Force on Dec 13, 2018 18:17:59 GMT
So you simply 'believe.' That's fine. Just don't assert it as fact if you haven't looked over most the evidence claimed by both sides. We both "believe". I simply choose to believe more reliable sources than you. And judging by the kind of "evidence" you linked here (light is provided by "noble gasses" rather than the Sun), I'm not missing much. Negative. I've researched this enough know 100% it's flat.
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Post by Terminator Force on Dec 13, 2018 18:28:13 GMT
Negative. I've researched this enough know 100% it's flat.
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Post by Terminator Force on Dec 13, 2018 19:07:08 GMT
I think I entirely missed the point of this thread, this is amazing as comedy... Phew... Still, since you like to point out "fallacies", let me point one for you too: An opinion might be ridiculed AND violently opposed, and that in itself wouldn't make it true. But don't worry, we have too many problems in the west to waste time "violently opposing" FE tinfoil enthusiasts. You guys won't become martyrs any time soon. Yes, flat Earth is very entertaining from both sides of the spectrum.
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Post by dmc1001 on Dec 13, 2018 21:48:16 GMT
One giant conspiracy that has no purpose. Curiously, Virgin Galactic just made its first journey into space. I'm sure that's a conspiracy, too.
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Post by Terminator Force on Dec 13, 2018 21:59:49 GMT
Been catching up with The Flat Earth Debate, a few days behind, and your question came up by a newb baller first time on the show and just genuinely interested in asking questions. give me something that "they" (whoever the shadowy puppet masters are in your estimation) would be able to get ONLY via the mind-boggling effort and expenditure of resources that's tied in maintaining such an obvious "lie" on a global scale.
Video is time stamped to the point where he asks this question.
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Post by Terminator Force on Dec 13, 2018 22:07:33 GMT
One giant conspiracy that has no purpose. Curiously, Virgin Galactic just made its first journey into space. I'm sure that's a conspiracy, too. This was already brought up on page 8, here's my reply; ... Virgin Galactic has been scamming and promising to take people to space since 2004. Just like all the space kick starters that robbed folks of money, everything to do with space is a scam. But lets see what Virgin Galactic said yesterday from your linked article says, Uni? I rest my case.
... Yep, there's that word again. 'Believe.'
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Post by Terminator Force on Dec 13, 2018 23:03:35 GMT
Been catching up with The Flat Earth Debate, a few days behind, and your question came up by a newb baller first time on the show and just genuinely interested in asking questions.
Video is time stamped to the point where he asks this question. I have no interest in watching that. If you want to have an actual discussion, present a position and defend it. Don't send me to YT, I'm not going to waste my time watching a format about what I perceive as pure nonsense when I can't be a part of the conversation. If you want to make an argument in your own words and then attach a link to something substantial enough to serve as proof, such as a study, I don't mind. You can be part of that conversation live via google hangouts. Link given out at start of show in video description when it live streams, any and all are welcome to discuss the shape of the Earth.
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Post by Terminator Force on Dec 14, 2018 2:11:15 GMT
You can be part of that conversation live via google hangouts. Link given out at start of show in video description when it live streams, any and all are welcome to discuss the shape of the Earth. Right, if you want to discuss something, feel free to make your case. What do you make of this picture;
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Post by dmc1001 on Dec 14, 2018 2:36:09 GMT
One giant conspiracy that has no purpose. Curiously, Virgin Galactic just made its first journey into space. I'm sure that's a conspiracy, too. This was already brought up on page 8, here's my reply; ... Virgin Galactic has been scamming and promising to take people to space since 2004. Just like all the space kick starters that robbed folks of money, everything to do with space is a scam. But lets see what Virgin Galactic said yesterday from your linked article says, Uni? I rest my case.
... Yep, there's that word again. 'Believe.' There's that word again: delusion.
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Post by Terminator Force on Dec 14, 2018 9:43:14 GMT
What do you make of this picture; Depending on the scale of the objects I'd assume some kind of an illusion probably. That, or someone messed with the picture. What do you make of this 23 second video clip;
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Post by Jeremiah12LGeek on Dec 14, 2018 13:16:13 GMT
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Post by Pounce de León on Dec 14, 2018 13:50:55 GMT
What do you make of this picture; Depending on the scale of the objects I'd assume some kind of an illusion probably. That, or someone messed with the picture. You just fell for the old counter question trick. Prepare to be swamped with meaningless "proof" to make you forget what you were originally asking for.
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Post by Unicephalon 40-D on Dec 14, 2018 14:06:44 GMT
You just fell for the old counter question trick. Prepare to be swamped with meaningless "proof" to make you forget what you were originally asking for. *shrug* I mean, I wouldn't consider this picture a "proof" either way. If the OP and his friends wanted to "prove" that the earth is flat it should be very simple, all they need to do is to crowd-fund a long range reconnaissance flight to the "edge" and video the whole thing. But we all know that this isn't going to happen. There has been flights and such offered for many times, they havent taken them, instead building a rocket by themselves -- maybe they fear they will be indoctrinated or hacked or drugged by fex. russian MIG pilots -- I dont really understand.... it is a belief
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Post by Terminator Force on Dec 14, 2018 14:35:46 GMT
What do you make of this 23 second video clip; I don't know. I'm not an expert on video fakery or optical illusions, I couldn't tell you what's the deal there if I tried. If you have a point, just go ahead and make it. Were you not curious enough to read full video title and some comments to see others thoughts? Here, I'll highlight some;
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