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Post by Terminator Force on Dec 14, 2018 14:47:35 GMT
Were you not curious enough to read full video title and some comments to see others thoughts? Here, I'll highlight some; Are you seriously telling me to read YT comments if I want to learn the "truth"? I don't know if I should laugh or just facepalm. Again, don't send me on a runaround, you have words? Use them. I'm debating you, not someone on YT comments. Just filling you in on what the rest of the world thinks about flat Earth. Don't you want to know what everyone else in the world thinks for better context? Can't look at things objectively from an echo chamber.
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Post by Terminator Force on Dec 14, 2018 14:48:02 GMT
Depending on the scale of the objects I'd assume some kind of an illusion probably. That, or someone messed with the picture. You just fell for the old counter question trick. Prepare to be swamped with meaningless "proof" to make you forget what you were originally asking for. It was a red herring. He can keep claiming no answer satisfies him because there will never be 100% way to prove since it's based on speculation.
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Post by Terminator Force on Dec 14, 2018 14:59:58 GMT
... Just filling you in on what the rest of the world thinks about flat Earth. Don't you want to know what everyone else in the world thinks for better context? Can't look at things objectively from an echo chamber. A few kooks on YT comments are not "the rest of the world", no matter what opinions they are spouting. And your continued refusal to provide an answer to my earlier question is highly disappointing. But let's add another one: What's preventing you guys from going to the "edge" and taking a picture? Is it the evil government, the lizard aliens, the Jews, or the Illuminati? (or maybe they are all one and the same?) So you can name a bigger gathering ground in the world then YouTube? And a better way for people around the world to communicate with each other? It was a red herring. He can keep claiming no answer satisfies him because there will never be 100% way to prove since it's based on speculation. As I said, just go to the edge and video the whole thing. Red Herring. There's no way for anyone to do this, juts like you can't go to the edge of space, therefore proof of nothing.
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Post by Sifr on Dec 14, 2018 16:07:05 GMT
Red Herring. There's no way for anyone to do this, juts like you can't go to the edge of space, therefore proof of nothing. "That's an assertion". No, that's a herring.
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Post by Terminator Force on Dec 14, 2018 16:17:21 GMT
Red Herring. There's no way for anyone to do this, juts like you can't go to the edge of space, therefore proof of nothing. "That's an assertion". Antarctica treaty says otherwise and this is another diversion tactic. You said I'm welcome to present you a claim for discussion, I choose that Lake Pontchartrain YouTube footage, your thoughts on it and others comments of said footage.
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Post by Qui-Gon GlenN7 on Dec 14, 2018 16:41:01 GMT
The Socratic method.... Plato is rolling in his grave.
Hey, So-crātes - I mean TF.... Seriously man, is this whole thing a dialectic exercise? Are you trying to only answer questions with a question?
Xeno is tired, stop playing games, answer the fucking questions directly or you are a chicken. Bock bock.
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Post by Terminator Force on Dec 14, 2018 16:51:58 GMT
The Socratic method.... Plato is rolling in his grave. Hey, So-crātes - I mean TF.... Seriously man, is this whole thing a dialectic exercise? Are you trying to only answer questions with a question? Xeno is tired, stop playing games, answer the fucking questions directly or you are a chicken. Bock bock. Because the answer would be a counterfactual fallacy. Logical fallacies have been defined to prevent wasting time arguing.
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Post by dmc1001 on Dec 14, 2018 21:29:02 GMT
The Socratic method.... Plato is rolling in his grave. Hey, So-crātes - I mean TF.... Seriously man, is this whole thing a dialectic exercise? Are you trying to only answer questions with a question? Xeno is tired, stop playing games, answer the fucking questions directly or you are a chicken. Bock bock. He can't even answer what gains there are to keeping the shape of the Earth a secret. "Knowledge is power". I recycled something today. There. Knowledge. How does that face benefit anyone? It doesn't. Knowledge in and of itself is not power. If there's no gain, the knowledge, or lack thereof, does nothing. TF can't explain in what way this conspiracy is useful.
On top of that, his claim that the edge of the Earth is just like the edge of space and thus impossible to get to is outright ridiculous. Were the Earth actually flat, it still wouldn't be infinite in length. Therefore, the edge would be possible to get to. In fact, one guy traveled almost all the way across Antarctica, just 30 miles from his goal. He died trying but people like TF would say it was all made up because it doesn't fit his version of reality.
Don't even get me started on the woman who claimed the photographic evidence from one of Saturn's moons is fake because a mirror is involved, thus meaning it wasn't seen directly. This was an issue because, according to her, and image doesn't exist unless consciously observed. I won't bother posting the link to her video because it's one of the most insane things I've ever watched. I wouldn't say she's an example of FE believers but it's out there.
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Post by Terminator Force on Dec 14, 2018 21:45:40 GMT
The Socratic method.... Plato is rolling in his grave. Hey, So-crātes - I mean TF.... Seriously man, is this whole thing a dialectic exercise? Are you trying to only answer questions with a question? Xeno is tired, stop playing games, answer the fucking questions directly or you are a chicken. Bock bock. He can't even answer what gains there are to keeping the shape of the Earth a secret. "Knowledge is power". I recycled something today. There. Knowledge. How does that face benefit anyone? It doesn't. Knowledge in and of itself is not power. If there's no gain, the knowledge, or lack thereof, does nothing. TF can't explain in what way this conspiracy is useful.
On top of that, his claim that the edge of the Earth is just like the edge of space and thus impossible to get to is outright ridiculous. Were the Earth actually flat, it still wouldn't be infinite in length. Therefore, the edge would be possible to get to. In fact, one guy traveled almost all the way across Antarctica, just 30 miles from his goal. He died trying but people like TF would say it was all made up because it doesn't fit his version of reality.
Don't even get me started on the woman who claimed the photographic evidence from one of Saturn's moons is fake because a mirror is involved, thus meaning it wasn't seen directly. This was an issue because, according to her, and image doesn't exist unless consciously observed. I won't bother posting the link to her video because it's one of the most insane things I've ever watched. I wouldn't say she's an example of FE believers but it's out there.
Because it's a counterfactual/speculation fallacy. ie. speculating is proof of nothing. It's just speculating and can be done indefinitely, therefore waste of time. Now lets move on to the kid experiment you linked; That is not an experiment and also based on 5 assumptions; Again, assumptions are proof of nothing. Even Neil Degrasse Tyson finally admitted to this not being a ball Earth proof; Short 4 min video with a visual demonstration why it works on both a ball and flat Earth.
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Post by Qui-Gon GlenN7 on Dec 14, 2018 22:57:33 GMT
It is the grandest of slippery slope foundations, and it is brilliant!
Sell the people on the lie that is ball Earth and other celestial bodies. Thus, their entire foundation base is faulty, since people always take into account the importance of the globeness of Earth in all of their mundane decisions.
Now, you can tell them any lie! They're like Mikey, they'll eat anything!
/Dumb
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Post by Terminator Force on Dec 14, 2018 23:01:58 GMT
It is the grandest of slippery slope foundations, and it is brilliant! Sell the people on the lie that is ball Earth and other celestial bodies. Thus, their entire foundation base is faulty, since people always take into account the importance of the globeness of Earth in all of their mundane decisions. Now, you can tell them any lie! They're like Mikey, they'll eat anything! /Dumb That's just your assertion. Been meaning to ask you this, what is your fave ball Earth proof, Qui-Gon?
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Post by Qui-Gon GlenN7 on Dec 14, 2018 23:02:24 GMT
Also, I am now imagining God, or Atlas, or Meadowlark Clemens, or Uncle Sal from the corner pizzeria... Spinning that platter Earth.
It was aliens.
Edit: ball Earth proof is intuition. I have researched Flat Earth much more than I have globe, just looking for how real science gets twisted. Your cooling light meme is one of those.
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Post by Qui-Gon GlenN7 on Dec 14, 2018 23:15:16 GMT
It is the grandest of slippery slope foundations, and it is brilliant! Sell the people on the lie that is ball Earth and other celestial bodies. Thus, their entire foundation base is faulty, since people always take into account the importance of the globeness of Earth in all of their mundane decisions. Now, you can tell them any lie! They're like Mikey, they'll eat anything! /Dumb That's just your assertion. Been meaning to ask you this, what is your fave ball Earth proof, Qui-Gon? Gave "proof". Had to respond to this.... It is not my assertion: It is yours, unless I have misunderstood you? What other point is there to this conspiracy, than to be a "control the masses" (your bottom of the pyramid) so that the very small group of elite know the truth and profit (Apex of the pyramid)? I actually think that line of thought has a lot of merit, a lot of times. It is abused here to the point of making a mockery of all potentially legitimate conspiracies, of which there are many. That is the problem with Flat Earth, it is a control theory used to make people like me look crazy, thanks to overfed half-wits like yourself that buy this shit like Girl Scout cookies. TFpls.
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Post by Terminator Force on Dec 14, 2018 23:21:03 GMT
That's just your assertion. Been meaning to ask you this, what is your fave ball Earth proof, Qui-Gon? Gave "proof". Had to respond to this.... What is this proof again, could you repeat it?
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Post by Terminator Force on Dec 14, 2018 23:31:26 GMT
Edit: ball Earth proof is intuition. Intuition is the ability to acquire knowledge without proof, evidence, or conscious reasoning, or without understanding how the knowledge was acquired.
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Post by dmc1001 on Dec 15, 2018 5:02:27 GMT
Even Neil Degrasse Tyson finally admitted to this not being a ball Earth proof; [iframe title="YouTube video player" src="//www.youtube.com/embed/Gs0M0FJbKI4?wmode=transparent&start=0" allowfullscreen="1" width="560" height="349" frameborder="0"][/iframe] Short 4 min video with a visual demonstration why it works on both a ball and flat Earth. You're kidding, right? I see your out-of-context video and raise you this article: Neil deGrasse Tyson Reveals Moon Photo That Proves Earth Is Not FlatIt's cute that you think you can use Neil as your defense but taking an interview that only shows what you want to be seen. That's why it's a 4 minute clip and not the entire interview. Note that the full interview is posted right here. When you actually look at the entire interview your argument falls flat. Another case of cherry picking so it seems as if a scientist is agreeing with you when it's actually not the case. Top 10 Ways to Know the Earth is Not Flat But let's go back to a previous question: What "gain" is made by lying about the shape of the Earth? Really. I want some direct evidence that the scientific community worldwide gains anything at all by lying about this? Not just your belief but evidence. It's funny, because these are the same types of arguments used against evolution. They ask to see evolution in action. Want to see "missing link" fossils. Totally unaware that evolution works in increments not leaps. There's no such thing as macro vs. micro evolution. They're the same thing. Lots of "micro" evolutions eventually lead to *ta da* "macro" evolution. But, no, the Earth is 6000 years old because some ancient book of fiction allegedly tells people it's true.
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Post by Terminator Force on Dec 15, 2018 10:53:49 GMT
Even Neil Degrasse Tyson finally admitted to this not being a ball Earth proof; [iframe title="YouTube video player" src="//www.youtube.com/embed/Gs0M0FJbKI4?wmode=transparent&start=0" allowfullscreen="1" width="560" height="349" frameborder="0"][/iframe] Short 4 min video with a visual demonstration why it works on both a ball and flat Earth. You're kidding, right? I see your out-of-context video and raise you this article: Neil deGrasse Tyson Reveals Moon Photo That Proves Earth Is Not Flat
It's cute that you think you can use Neil as your defense but taking an interview that only shows what you want to be seen. That's why it's a 4 minute clip and not the entire interview. Note that the full interview is posted right here. When you actually look at the entire interview your argument falls flat. Another case of cherry picking so it seems as if a scientist is agreeing with you when it's actually not the case. Top 10 Ways to Know the Earth is Not Flat But let's go back to a previous question: What "gain" is made by lying about the shape of the Earth? Really. I want some direct evidence that the scientific community worldwide gains anything at all by lying about this? Not just your belief but evidence. It's funny, because these are the same types of arguments used against evolution. They ask to see evolution in action. Want to see "missing link" fossils. Totally unaware that evolution works in increments not leaps. There's no such thing as macro vs. micro evolution. They're the same thing. Lots of "micro" evolutions eventually lead to *ta da* "macro" evolution. But, no, the Earth is 6000 years old because some ancient book of fiction allegedly tells people it's true. That Neil deGrasse Tyson flat Earth Lunar eclipse tweet is a straw-man fallacy. Because no Flat Earthers ever claimed that's how Lunar Eclipses work. As for that Star Talk with Neil deGrasse Tyson proving the Earth is a ball, Globebusters did a nice debunking of that video for anyone interested. It's almost a 2 hour video so doubt many will watch. So if any you wants me the counter a particular Neil deGrasse Tyson or ABC argument one at a time, I will. ie. No scatter-gun approach tactics allowed. And for the last time, 'what gain is made by lying about the shape of the Earth' is a speculation fallacy. You all are free to speculate, but if you're going to argue, it has to be non fallacious because fallacious arguments are called 'non-arguments.'
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Post by dmc1001 on Dec 15, 2018 11:52:17 GMT
And for the last time, 'what gain is made by lying about the shape of the Earth' is a speculation fallacy. You all are free to speculate, but if you're going to argue, it has to be non fallacious because fallacious arguments are called 'non-arguments.' In other words, you made up the idea that there's any reason for the conspiracy. You are the one making the claim so the burden of proof is on you.
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Post by Terminator Force on Dec 15, 2018 11:59:46 GMT
And for the last time, 'what gain is made by lying about the shape of the Earth' is a speculation fallacy. You all are free to speculate, but if you're going to argue, it has to be non fallacious because fallacious arguments are called 'non-arguments.' In other words, you made up the idea that there's any reason for the conspiracy. You are the one making the claim so the burden of proof is on you. Didn't make it up, based on my personal research, but in the end, can't prove it 100% so no point in arguing about it. Entertaining speculation can be fun, but when someone wants to turn it around as a winning argument against you when it's not even an argument to begin with...
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Post by dmc1001 on Dec 15, 2018 12:01:39 GMT
In other words, you made up the idea that there's any reason for the conspiracy. You are the one making the claim so the burden of proof is on you. Didn't make it up, based on my personal research, but in the end, can't prove it 100% so no point in arguing about it. Entertaining speculation can be fun, but when someone wants to turn it around as a winning argument against you when it's not even an argument to begin with... Of course, because you can't make an argument about it. The whole thing falls to pieces if there's no conspiracy.
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Post by dmc1001 on Dec 15, 2018 12:05:58 GMT
Everyone knows that earth is a smooth cylinder anyway, some just live in denial. The night sky is a blanket with pin holes in it to simulate stars.
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Post by Terminator Force on Dec 15, 2018 12:14:52 GMT
Didn't make it up, based on my personal research, but in the end, can't prove it 100% so no point in arguing about it. Entertaining speculation can be fun, but when someone wants to turn it around as a winning argument against you when it's not even an argument to begin with... Of course, because you can't make an argument about it. The whole thing falls to pieces if there's no conspiracy. The debate is on the shape of the Earth, not conspiracy. But you're free to speculate about the conspiracy of it all if you'd like. It's called random flat Earth chit chat for a reason.
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Post by dmc1001 on Dec 15, 2018 12:20:13 GMT
Come on, be honest, which is more outlandish. The one that doesn't have gravity is the outlandish one. I guess things falling down as a conspiracy. That never really happens. MK Ultra just making us think that things fall down.
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Post by dmc1001 on Dec 15, 2018 12:25:32 GMT
Of course, because you can't make an argument about it. The whole thing falls to pieces if there's no conspiracy. The debate is on the shape of the Earth, not conspiracy. But you're free to speculate about the conspiracy of it all if you'd like. It's called random flat Earth chit chat for a reason. You made the argument of conspiracy with your "knowledge is power" assertion as to why people would keep the "real" shape of the Earth a secret. You fail to justify who is behind the conspiracy and what gain is made. As has been pointed out, ships gradually disappear as they go below the horizon does show the Earth is not flat. You can observe that with your own two eyes. Or are the ships sinking into the water and only give the appearance of going below the horizon? I'm sure the people behind the global conspiracy also created ships that go underwater and get everyone aboard every ship to lie about it, crew and passengers alike.
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