inherit
265
0
Sept 22, 2024 10:44:40 GMT
11,985
Pounce de León
Praise the Justicat!
7,916
August 2016
catastrophy
caustic_agent
|
Post by Pounce de León on Dec 16, 2018 19:47:39 GMT
"Hai guyz, I hear you believe in maths. They say half of 5 is 2.5, but when Iz look at my hand finger three is in the middel. Lol."
"Is because you don't have finger zero, dude."
"Whassat supposen to mean, dere is no finger #0, dere is only 5 finger. Math is all lies!"
*continue ad absurdum*
|
|
inherit
N7
289
0
Sept 21, 2024 0:54:11 GMT
8,016
Terminator Force
4,314
August 2016
terminatorforce
Mass Effect Trilogy, Dragon Age: Origins, Dragon Age 2, KOTOR, Mass Effect Andromeda, Mass Effect Legendary Edition
TerminatorForce2
|
Post by Terminator Force on Dec 16, 2018 20:01:52 GMT
Further away you are from a light, the dimmer it gets. Therefore sun being 93 million miles debunked. Ditto for claim that we can see light years away. Nonsense. Stop asserting things as fact. You can't reach that conclusion based on the available evidence. I posted links to explanations of how these values are used. How far away do you calculate the sun to be then? Show your work.
And you are throwing out a red herring in order to avoid my original question.
The inverse square law is a scientific law. Can also be observed by anybody. Where's your evidence to back your assertion otherwise? Not claiming to know distance to sun. What's this original question herring you speak of?
|
|
inherit
N7
289
0
Sept 21, 2024 0:54:11 GMT
8,016
Terminator Force
4,314
August 2016
terminatorforce
Mass Effect Trilogy, Dragon Age: Origins, Dragon Age 2, KOTOR, Mass Effect Andromeda, Mass Effect Legendary Edition
TerminatorForce2
|
Post by Terminator Force on Dec 16, 2018 23:59:37 GMT
"Hai guyz, I hear you believe in maths. They say half of 5 is 2.5, but when Iz look at my hand finger three is in the middel. Lol." "Is because you don't have finger zero, dude.""Whassat supposen to mean, dere is no finger #0, dere is only 5 finger. Math is all lies!" *continue ad absurdum*
|
|
Sylvius the Mad
N3
Games: Mass Effect Trilogy, Dragon Age: Origins, Dragon Age 2, Dragon Age Inquisition, KOTOR, Baldur's Gate, Neverwinter Nights, Jade Empire, Mass Effect Andromeda
Posts: 686 Likes: 740
inherit
1078
0
Jul 17, 2019 20:15:37 GMT
740
Sylvius the Mad
686
August 2016
sylvius
Mass Effect Trilogy, Dragon Age: Origins, Dragon Age 2, Dragon Age Inquisition, KOTOR, Baldur's Gate, Neverwinter Nights, Jade Empire, Mass Effect Andromeda
|
Post by Sylvius the Mad on Dec 17, 2018 0:46:52 GMT
It's like you have this bag of fallacies ready to pull out whichever one fits bets without actually trying to have a discussion. Logical fallacies are non-arguments. Non-arguments. You can think of arguments as ways to gather information and to acquire new beliefs. ... But stating beliefs is not giving arguments! Things that may look like arguments but are not, and are thus misconstrued as arguments, are explanations, reports, instructions, and so on.Here you're making a true statement - you are 100% correct - but it's a non sequitur, because there wasn't a fallacy being employed.
|
|
Sylvius the Mad
N3
Games: Mass Effect Trilogy, Dragon Age: Origins, Dragon Age 2, Dragon Age Inquisition, KOTOR, Baldur's Gate, Neverwinter Nights, Jade Empire, Mass Effect Andromeda
Posts: 686 Likes: 740
inherit
1078
0
Jul 17, 2019 20:15:37 GMT
740
Sylvius the Mad
686
August 2016
sylvius
Mass Effect Trilogy, Dragon Age: Origins, Dragon Age 2, Dragon Age Inquisition, KOTOR, Baldur's Gate, Neverwinter Nights, Jade Empire, Mass Effect Andromeda
|
Post by Sylvius the Mad on Dec 17, 2018 0:50:43 GMT
How is that at all relevant to the sun?
If that were in fact the case, is the sun hovering around ground level in order for light to reach us?
Stop asserting things you have no proof for.
Further away you are from a light, the dimmer it gets. Therefore sun being 93 million miles debunked. Ditto for claim that we can see light years away. How does that debunk the distance to the sun? We can measure the brightness of the sunlight here, so with the inverse square principle we can calculate the actual brightness of the sun. We measured the distance to the sun using the parallax of observations of Mars.
|
|
Sylvius the Mad
N3
Games: Mass Effect Trilogy, Dragon Age: Origins, Dragon Age 2, Dragon Age Inquisition, KOTOR, Baldur's Gate, Neverwinter Nights, Jade Empire, Mass Effect Andromeda
Posts: 686 Likes: 740
inherit
1078
0
Jul 17, 2019 20:15:37 GMT
740
Sylvius the Mad
686
August 2016
sylvius
Mass Effect Trilogy, Dragon Age: Origins, Dragon Age 2, Dragon Age Inquisition, KOTOR, Baldur's Gate, Neverwinter Nights, Jade Empire, Mass Effect Andromeda
|
Post by Sylvius the Mad on Dec 17, 2018 0:52:29 GMT
Logic is a specific type of reasoning, one adhering to a formally defined system of inference. All possible such systems are incomplete (Gödel); in any given logical system, some answers are guaranteed not to be available. You asserting there's no guaranteed answers to the shape of the Earth? There are no guaranteed answers to anything. Agrippa's Trilemma illustrates that.
|
|
inherit
N7
289
0
Sept 21, 2024 0:54:11 GMT
8,016
Terminator Force
4,314
August 2016
terminatorforce
Mass Effect Trilogy, Dragon Age: Origins, Dragon Age 2, KOTOR, Mass Effect Andromeda, Mass Effect Legendary Edition
TerminatorForce2
|
Post by Terminator Force on Dec 17, 2018 1:20:20 GMT
Further away you are from a light, the dimmer it gets. Therefore sun being 93 million miles debunked. Ditto for claim that we can see light years away. How does that debunk the distance to the sun? We can measure the brightness of the sunlight here, so with the inverse square principle we can calculate the actual brightness of the sun. We measured the distance to the sun using the parallax of observations of Mars. Are you saying you have evidence of distance to sun? You asserting there's no guaranteed answers to the shape of the Earth? There are no guaranteed answers to anything. Agrippa's Trilemma illustrates that. So you just believe in the spinning ball Earth.
|
|
inherit
N7
289
0
Sept 21, 2024 0:54:11 GMT
8,016
Terminator Force
4,314
August 2016
terminatorforce
Mass Effect Trilogy, Dragon Age: Origins, Dragon Age 2, KOTOR, Mass Effect Andromeda, Mass Effect Legendary Edition
TerminatorForce2
|
Post by Terminator Force on Dec 17, 2018 1:44:58 GMT
Logical fallacies are non-arguments. Non-arguments. You can think of arguments as ways to gather information and to acquire new beliefs. ... But stating beliefs is not giving arguments! Things that may look like arguments but are not, and are thus misconstrued as arguments, are explanations, reports, instructions, and so on.Here you're making a true statement - you are 100% correct - but it's a non sequitur, because there wasn't a fallacy being employed. It was just another reminder to explain why logical fallacies are proof of nothing.
|
|
inherit
ღ Grumpy Old Man
1046
0
Feb 12, 2024 15:48:21 GMT
15,499
Space Cowboy
They call me a Space Cowboy
4,937
Aug 17, 2016 20:09:17 GMT
August 2016
spacecowboy
Mass Effect Trilogy, Dragon Age: Origins, Dragon Age 2, Dragon Age Inquistion, KOTOR, Baldur's Gate, Jade Empire
|
Post by Space Cowboy on Dec 17, 2018 1:53:33 GMT
Nonsense. Stop asserting things as fact. You can't reach that conclusion based on the available evidence. I posted links to explanations of how these values are used. How far away do you calculate the sun to be then? Show your work.
And you are throwing out a red herring in order to avoid my original question.
The inverse square law is a scientific law. Can also be observed by anybody. Where's your evidence to back your assertion otherwise? Not claiming to know distance to sun. What's this original question herring you speak of? Your sunlight thing is the red herring, inorder to avoid this:
And you've hand waved away any discussions of time zones and solar eclipses, presumably because you can't find any flat earth 'debunk' videos for it.
|
|
inherit
N7
289
0
Sept 21, 2024 0:54:11 GMT
8,016
Terminator Force
4,314
August 2016
terminatorforce
Mass Effect Trilogy, Dragon Age: Origins, Dragon Age 2, KOTOR, Mass Effect Andromeda, Mass Effect Legendary Edition
TerminatorForce2
|
Post by Terminator Force on Dec 17, 2018 2:10:09 GMT
The inverse square law is a scientific law. Can also be observed by anybody. Where's your evidence to back your assertion otherwise? Not claiming to know distance to sun. What's this original question herring you speak of? Your sunlight thing is the red herring, inorder to avoid this:
And you've hand waved away any discussions of time zones and solar eclipses, presumably because you can't find any flat earth 'debunk' videos for it. Already presented video evidence showing and explaining why sunlight is local, but you hand waved dismissed it. Video is done in a way anyone can understand and it's only 5 minutes. It's also backed with observable repeatable evidence.
|
|
inherit
ღ Grumpy Old Man
1046
0
Feb 12, 2024 15:48:21 GMT
15,499
Space Cowboy
They call me a Space Cowboy
4,937
Aug 17, 2016 20:09:17 GMT
August 2016
spacecowboy
Mass Effect Trilogy, Dragon Age: Origins, Dragon Age 2, Dragon Age Inquistion, KOTOR, Baldur's Gate, Jade Empire
|
Post by Space Cowboy on Dec 17, 2018 2:16:24 GMT
And you ignored eclipses
I’m not watching that video. I don’t care how good you think it is, you are wrong. Sunlight comes from the sun. By definition. If someone’s telling you otherwise they are lying or crazy.
|
|
inherit
N7
289
0
Sept 21, 2024 0:54:11 GMT
8,016
Terminator Force
4,314
August 2016
terminatorforce
Mass Effect Trilogy, Dragon Age: Origins, Dragon Age 2, KOTOR, Mass Effect Andromeda, Mass Effect Legendary Edition
TerminatorForce2
|
Post by Terminator Force on Dec 17, 2018 2:30:08 GMT
I’m not watching that video. I don’t care how good you think it is, you are wrong. Sunlight comes from the sun. By definition. If someone’s telling you otherwise they are lying or crazy. The Argument from Incredulity: The popular fallacy of doubting or rejecting a novel claim or argument out of hand simply because it appears superficially "incredible," "insane" or "crazy," or because it goes against one's own personal beliefs, prior experience or ideology. This cynical fallacy falsely elevates the saying popularized by Carl Sagan, that "Extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof," to an absolute law of logic. See also Hoyle's Fallacy. The common, popular-level form of this fallacy is dismissing surprising, extraordinary or unfamiliar arguments and evidence with a wave of the hand, a shake of the head, and a mutter of "that's crazy!"
|
|
Sylvius the Mad
N3
Games: Mass Effect Trilogy, Dragon Age: Origins, Dragon Age 2, Dragon Age Inquisition, KOTOR, Baldur's Gate, Neverwinter Nights, Jade Empire, Mass Effect Andromeda
Posts: 686 Likes: 740
inherit
1078
0
Jul 17, 2019 20:15:37 GMT
740
Sylvius the Mad
686
August 2016
sylvius
Mass Effect Trilogy, Dragon Age: Origins, Dragon Age 2, Dragon Age Inquisition, KOTOR, Baldur's Gate, Neverwinter Nights, Jade Empire, Mass Effect Andromeda
|
Post by Sylvius the Mad on Dec 17, 2018 6:01:14 GMT
Are you saying you have evidence of distance to sun? I'm saying there exist means to measure other things, from which the distance to the sun can be calculated. I am not claiming to possess direct evidence of the sort you mean, because there is no such thing as direct evidence. All evidence is contingent on your model of observation. That's why the Brain-in-a-Jar problem remains undefeated. I hold no beliefs whatever. Beliefs are irrational. The rational default position is uncertainty. Lacking truly conclusive evidence, there I remain. The arguments you use to "defeat" the globe earth can be used to defeat literally any positive position. You've accidentally stumbled into Pyrrhonian Scepticism, except you won't commit to it, because you still think the earth is flat.
|
|
inherit
N7
289
0
Sept 21, 2024 0:54:11 GMT
8,016
Terminator Force
4,314
August 2016
terminatorforce
Mass Effect Trilogy, Dragon Age: Origins, Dragon Age 2, KOTOR, Mass Effect Andromeda, Mass Effect Legendary Edition
TerminatorForce2
|
Post by Terminator Force on Dec 17, 2018 8:36:40 GMT
Are you saying you have evidence of distance to sun? I'm saying there exist means to measure other things, from which the distance to the sun can be calculated. I am not claiming to possess direct evidence of the sort you mean, because there is no such thing as direct evidence. All evidence is contingent on your model of observation. That's why the Brain-in-a-Jar problem remains undefeated. I hold no beliefs whatever. Beliefs are irrational. The rational default position is uncertainty. Lacking truly conclusive evidence, there I remain. The arguments you use to "defeat" the globe earth can be used to defeat literally any positive position. You've accidentally stumbled into Pyrrhonian Scepticism, except you won't commit to it, because you still think the earth is flat. You're going to have to provide at least one non-fallacious argument to back up your assertion of Earth shape otherwise it's just a belief. I'm just asking for one, surely you can find just one if the truth is on your side.
|
|
Sylvius the Mad
N3
Games: Mass Effect Trilogy, Dragon Age: Origins, Dragon Age 2, Dragon Age Inquisition, KOTOR, Baldur's Gate, Neverwinter Nights, Jade Empire, Mass Effect Andromeda
Posts: 686 Likes: 740
inherit
1078
0
Jul 17, 2019 20:15:37 GMT
740
Sylvius the Mad
686
August 2016
sylvius
Mass Effect Trilogy, Dragon Age: Origins, Dragon Age 2, Dragon Age Inquisition, KOTOR, Baldur's Gate, Neverwinter Nights, Jade Empire, Mass Effect Andromeda
|
Post by Sylvius the Mad on Dec 17, 2018 20:23:17 GMT
You're going to have to provide at least one non-fallacious argument to back up your assertion of Earth shape otherwise it's just a belief. I'm just asking for one, surely you can find just one if the truth is on your side. You're the one flogging a belief. You think the world is flat. Do you have an argument to support that? I am not asserting the world is round. I'm asserting that the flat earth lacks evidence.
|
|
inherit
N7
289
0
Sept 21, 2024 0:54:11 GMT
8,016
Terminator Force
4,314
August 2016
terminatorforce
Mass Effect Trilogy, Dragon Age: Origins, Dragon Age 2, KOTOR, Mass Effect Andromeda, Mass Effect Legendary Edition
TerminatorForce2
|
Post by Terminator Force on Dec 17, 2018 20:35:42 GMT
You're going to have to provide at least one non-fallacious argument to back up your assertion of Earth shape otherwise it's just a belief. I'm just asking for one, surely you can find just one if the truth is on your side. You're the one flogging a belief. You think the world is flat. Do you have an argument to support that? I am not asserting the world is round. I'm asserting that the flat earth lacks evidence. Yes, your obfuscation tactics are excellent, but asserting there is a lack of flat Earth evidence is asserting there's more evidence for another shape. So me this evidence.
|
|
Sylvius the Mad
N3
Games: Mass Effect Trilogy, Dragon Age: Origins, Dragon Age 2, Dragon Age Inquisition, KOTOR, Baldur's Gate, Neverwinter Nights, Jade Empire, Mass Effect Andromeda
Posts: 686 Likes: 740
inherit
1078
0
Jul 17, 2019 20:15:37 GMT
740
Sylvius the Mad
686
August 2016
sylvius
Mass Effect Trilogy, Dragon Age: Origins, Dragon Age 2, Dragon Age Inquisition, KOTOR, Baldur's Gate, Neverwinter Nights, Jade Empire, Mass Effect Andromeda
|
Post by Sylvius the Mad on Dec 17, 2018 21:04:22 GMT
Yes, your obfuscation tactics are excellent, but asserting there is a lack of flat Earth evidence is asserting there's more evidence for another shape. So me this evidence. You're implicitly claiming that one has to believe in a shape. That's yet another positive assertion you haven't supported. Why is it necessary to believe in a shape?
|
|
inherit
N7
289
0
Sept 21, 2024 0:54:11 GMT
8,016
Terminator Force
4,314
August 2016
terminatorforce
Mass Effect Trilogy, Dragon Age: Origins, Dragon Age 2, KOTOR, Mass Effect Andromeda, Mass Effect Legendary Edition
TerminatorForce2
|
Post by Terminator Force on Dec 17, 2018 21:07:56 GMT
Yes, your obfuscation tactics are excellent, but asserting there is a lack of flat Earth evidence is asserting there's more evidence for another shape. So me this evidence. You're implicitly claiming that one has to believe in a shape. That's yet another positive assertion you haven't supported. Why is it necessary to believe in a shape? Another obfuscation, another assertion not backed up.
|
|
Sylvius the Mad
N3
Games: Mass Effect Trilogy, Dragon Age: Origins, Dragon Age 2, Dragon Age Inquisition, KOTOR, Baldur's Gate, Neverwinter Nights, Jade Empire, Mass Effect Andromeda
Posts: 686 Likes: 740
inherit
1078
0
Jul 17, 2019 20:15:37 GMT
740
Sylvius the Mad
686
August 2016
sylvius
Mass Effect Trilogy, Dragon Age: Origins, Dragon Age 2, Dragon Age Inquisition, KOTOR, Baldur's Gate, Neverwinter Nights, Jade Empire, Mass Effect Andromeda
|
Post by Sylvius the Mad on Dec 17, 2018 21:42:49 GMT
You're implicitly claiming that one has to believe in a shape. That's yet another positive assertion you haven't supported. Why is it necessary to believe in a shape? Another obfuscation, another assertion not backed up. What assertion did I make there? That you're implicitly asserting that one must believe in a shape? That's basically what you said when you wrote, "asserting there is a lack of flat Earth evidence is asserting there's more evidence for another shape." By asking for evidence like this, you're employing a verificationist approach, as if you haven't read any relevant philosophy published since 1950. I recommend you start with Karl Popper's The Logic of Scientific Discovery (1959), and then maybe you'll understand why the globe earth model's ability to predict the apparent locations of stars proves nothing. Science teaches us only with failure. When the flat earth fails to predict something, then we disprove that particular flat earth model. There's no proof in science. There is only disproof.
|
|
inherit
N7
289
0
Sept 21, 2024 0:54:11 GMT
8,016
Terminator Force
4,314
August 2016
terminatorforce
Mass Effect Trilogy, Dragon Age: Origins, Dragon Age 2, KOTOR, Mass Effect Andromeda, Mass Effect Legendary Edition
TerminatorForce2
|
Post by Terminator Force on Dec 17, 2018 22:18:48 GMT
Another obfuscation, another assertion not backed up. What assertion did I make there? That you're implicitly asserting that one must believe in a shape? That's basically what you said when you wrote, "asserting there is a lack of flat Earth evidence is asserting there's more evidence for another shape." By asking for evidence like this, you're employing a verificationist approach, as if you haven't read any relevant philosophy published since 1950. I recommend you start with Karl Popper's The Logic of Scientific Discovery (1959), and then maybe you'll understand why the globe earth model's ability to predict the apparent locations of stars proves nothing. Science teaches us only with failure. When the flat earth fails to predict something, then we disprove that particular flat earth model. There's no proof in science. There is only disproof. I don't have to assert anything, the world is obviously and observably flat. Just open my eyes and that's what I see. You're the one asserting our eyes don't work. And scientific proof is 100% because all science is establishing cause and effect. Once you can vary and manipulate your presumed cause, you've 100% proved your cause because otherwise you wouldn't be able to manipulate your presumed cause. Therefore science is 100% poof.
|
|
Sylvius the Mad
N3
Games: Mass Effect Trilogy, Dragon Age: Origins, Dragon Age 2, Dragon Age Inquisition, KOTOR, Baldur's Gate, Neverwinter Nights, Jade Empire, Mass Effect Andromeda
Posts: 686 Likes: 740
inherit
1078
0
Jul 17, 2019 20:15:37 GMT
740
Sylvius the Mad
686
August 2016
sylvius
Mass Effect Trilogy, Dragon Age: Origins, Dragon Age 2, Dragon Age Inquisition, KOTOR, Baldur's Gate, Neverwinter Nights, Jade Empire, Mass Effect Andromeda
|
Post by Sylvius the Mad on Dec 18, 2018 0:09:15 GMT
What assertion did I make there? That you're implicitly asserting that one must believe in a shape? That's basically what you said when you wrote, "asserting there is a lack of flat Earth evidence is asserting there's more evidence for another shape." By asking for evidence like this, you're employing a verificationist approach, as if you haven't read any relevant philosophy published since 1950. I recommend you start with Karl Popper's The Logic of Scientific Discovery (1959), and then maybe you'll understand why the globe earth model's ability to predict the apparent locations of stars proves nothing. Science teaches us only with failure. When the flat earth fails to predict something, then we disprove that particular flat earth model. There's no proof in science. There is only disproof. I don't have to assert anything, the world is obviously and observably flat. Just open my eyes and that's what I see. You're the one asserting our eyes don't work. And scientific proof is 100% because all science is establishing cause and effect. Once you can vary and manipulate your presumed cause, you've 100% proved your cause because otherwise you wouldn't be able to manipulate your presumed cause. Therefore science is 100% poof. You're inferring. You can't see the whole earth. Come back when your understanding of science leaves the 19th century.
|
|
inherit
N7
289
0
Sept 21, 2024 0:54:11 GMT
8,016
Terminator Force
4,314
August 2016
terminatorforce
Mass Effect Trilogy, Dragon Age: Origins, Dragon Age 2, KOTOR, Mass Effect Andromeda, Mass Effect Legendary Edition
TerminatorForce2
|
Post by Terminator Force on Dec 18, 2018 0:39:37 GMT
I don't have to assert anything, the world is obviously and observably flat. Just open my eyes and that's what I see. You're the one asserting our eyes don't work. And scientific proof is 100% because all science is establishing cause and effect. Once you can vary and manipulate your presumed cause, you've 100% proved your cause because otherwise you wouldn't be able to manipulate your presumed cause. Therefore science is 100% poof. You're inferring. You can't see the whole earth. Come back when your understanding of science leaves the 19th century. You're strawmaning me. Only claimed what I can see. Since you mentioned 19th century, I take it you infer that science and technology are the same thing. A popular mistake.
|
|
inherit
M'lady of Fine Arts
434
0
4,610
Lady Artifice
1,835
August 2016
ladyartifice
|
Post by Lady Artifice on Dec 18, 2018 0:57:14 GMT
Oh, there's this now.
|
|
inherit
N7
289
0
Sept 21, 2024 0:54:11 GMT
8,016
Terminator Force
4,314
August 2016
terminatorforce
Mass Effect Trilogy, Dragon Age: Origins, Dragon Age 2, KOTOR, Mass Effect Andromeda, Mass Effect Legendary Edition
TerminatorForce2
|
Post by Terminator Force on Dec 18, 2018 1:16:23 GMT
Hello, Lady Artifice. Welcome to the 21st Century.
|
|
inherit
M'lady of Fine Arts
434
0
4,610
Lady Artifice
1,835
August 2016
ladyartifice
|
Post by Lady Artifice on Dec 18, 2018 5:11:17 GMT
Uh huh.
|
|