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Post by Space Cowboy on Dec 19, 2018 17:44:05 GMT
Stop changing the topic, I was talking about the brightness of the sun, not where it rises.
Well the brightness of the sun does visibly get dimmer as it moves further away, so not sure what your claim is. No, it doesn't. You've got to be a troll, no one can be this oblivious.
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Post by Terminator Force on Dec 19, 2018 17:49:46 GMT
Well the brightness of the sun does visibly get dimmer as it moves further away, so not sure what your claim is. No, it doesn't. You've got to be a troll, no one can be this oblivious.
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Post by Space Cowboy on Dec 19, 2018 22:42:34 GMT
No, it doesn't. You've got to be a troll, no one can be this oblivious. Stop with the stupid videos. Have you never seen a sunset or sunrise?
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Post by Terminator Force on Dec 19, 2018 23:12:14 GMT
Stop with the stupid videos. Have you never seen a sunset or sunrise?
Don't even have to watch it, made sure the evidence was in the thumbnail so you don't miss it. Well aware of your argument from incredulity fallacy.
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Post by Son of Dorn on Dec 19, 2018 23:19:22 GMT
Hey mods, could we get a lock down over here? Or a anchor? This thread is going nowhere and is obviously a bait thread.
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Post by Sifr on Dec 19, 2018 23:24:14 GMT
Well the brightness of the sun does visibly get dimmer as it moves further away, so not sure what your claim is. Incorrect, the brightness of the sun has to do with the dimmer switch that was installed sometime around the 16th Century.
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Post by Space Cowboy on Dec 19, 2018 23:40:06 GMT
Stop with the stupid videos. Have you never seen a sunset or sunrise?
Don't even have to watch it, made sure the evidence was in the thumbnail so you don't miss it. Well aware of your argument from incredulity fallacy. If this was a debate I'd care more about logical fallacies. It isn't. The topic isn't worthy of debate, it's so absurd.
Just answer the question, have you seen a sunrise and sunset?
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Post by Terminator Force on Dec 19, 2018 23:42:35 GMT
Well the brightness of the sun does visibly get dimmer as it moves further away, so not sure what your claim is. Incorrect, the brightness of the sun has to do with the dimmer switch that was installed sometime around the 16th Century. The moon has one too. ... Hey mods, could we get a lock down over here? Or a anchor? This thread is going nowhere and is obviously a bait thread. Don't see the need to ruin my flat Earth passion, can just leave if this thread upsets you. Though don't see why it would, it's just flat Earth we're talking about. Can't get more harmless then that.
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Post by Terminator Force on Dec 19, 2018 23:46:49 GMT
Don't even have to watch it, made sure the evidence was in the thumbnail so you don't miss it. Well aware of your argument from incredulity fallacy. If this was a debate I'd care more about logical fallacies. It isn't. The topic isn't worthy of debate, it's so absurd.
Just answer the question, have you seen a sunrise and sunset?
That's right, doesn't have to be a debate. Can be anything on your mind about flat Earth that makes you happy.
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Post by Sifr on Dec 19, 2018 23:48:37 GMT
The moon has one too. That's why we went to the Moon, we needed to replace the bulb with one that had a better wattage.
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Post by Son of Dorn on Dec 19, 2018 23:49:44 GMT
Incorrect, the brightness of the sun has to do with the dimmer switch that was installed sometime around the 16th Century. The moon has one too. ... Hey mods, could we get a lock down over here? Or a anchor? This thread is going nowhere and is obviously a bait thread. Don't see the need to ruin my flat Earth passion, can just leave if this thread upsets you. Though don't see why it would, it's just flat Earth we're talking about. Can't get more harmless then that. And people wonder why I say I no longer care for the human race.... :rolleyes:
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Post by Terminator Force on Dec 19, 2018 23:58:03 GMT
The moon has one too. ... Don't see the need to ruin my flat Earth passion, can just leave if this thread upsets you. Though don't see why it would, it's just flat Earth we're talking about. Can't get more harmless then that. And people wonder why I say I no longer care for the human race.... :rolleyes: Seems like good clean humor to me. Lighten up a little, kick back, relax and have a little clean fun.
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Post by Son of Dorn on Dec 20, 2018 0:05:50 GMT
And people wonder why I say I no longer care for the human race.... :rolleyes: Seems like good clean humor to me. Lighten up a little, kick back, relax and have a little clean fun. media.giphy.com/media/2yLBZiCwYTJnO/giphy.gifYeah, not taking the bait, bye!
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Post by AnDromedary on Dec 20, 2018 0:18:14 GMT
Incorrect, the brightness of the sun has to do with the dimmer switch that was installed sometime around the 16th Century. The moon has one too. Nah, wasn't bright at all, barely any solar radiation. They wore the gold plated visors purely for the swag. It's what Kubrick was known for after all.
This thread is still like being tickled by a snake. it amuses me and riles me up at equal measure. Reading it is like what a true masochist must feel like.
BTW, kudos the Sylvius the (not so) Mad, for finally bringing some argument about basic scientific method back in here, aka, you need to try and disprove a hypothesis, rather than prove it. I think I tried to bring it up around ten pages back but failed miserably (as in: never got an answer to my post).
Anyway, keep at it everyone, would hate for this thread to just fall of the edge of the forum.
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Post by Terminator Force on Dec 20, 2018 0:21:21 GMT
Seems like good clean humor to me. Lighten up a little, kick back, relax and have a little clean fun. Yeah, not taking the bait, bye! I wouldn't, going to be sharing some flat Earth YouTube content from both sides of the pond, so there'll be something for everybody. Plus informing everyone on the latest news in the flat Earth/globe Earth community. As well as introducing all the celebrities of this community, the who's who.
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Post by Coronavirus on Dec 20, 2018 1:19:10 GMT
Got to commend the OP for his restraint in keeping the troll op going for so long. I’ve not seen a net this full since I took a walk down the docks in Grimsby.
Quality work well done.
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Post by Jeremiah12LGeek on Dec 20, 2018 2:35:15 GMT
Incorrect, the brightness of the sun has to do with the dimmer switch that was installed sometime around the 16th Century.
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Post by Terminator Force on Dec 20, 2018 2:54:26 GMT
Got to commend the OP for his restraint in keeping the troll op going for so long. I’ve not seen a net this full since I took a walk down the docks in Grimsby. Quality work well done. Grimsby Ontario? Currently residing in Niagara Falls myself. Had a boss once in Grimsby.
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Post by Ruliya on Dec 20, 2018 4:33:47 GMT
I have no idea why I read all this, boredom probably and TF amuses me so. Someone once brought up the fact we've known for thousands of years the Earth is a globe, tho I don't remember seeing this ancient experiment posted: www.independent.co.uk/life-style/history/ancient-greeks-proved-earth-round-eratosthenes-alexandria-syene-summer-solstice-a8131376.htmlYou said something about light in the laws of physics and compared the sun to holding your palm to a light-bulb? I may have glossed over that bit, but Lumens my friend, Lumens. Brightness in other words, the sun is so bright it will blind you if you look into it long enough. I'd ask you to try, but you know xD Okay, to Flat Earth, which means horizons are not a thing yeah? because you can see everything across a flat plane. So why, cannot I in England see America? Or Canada actually since... well stuff you don't believe is real, so America? It's pretty far away. How about Iceland? That's closer than America from the UK coast, why can't I see it? Hell Norway is closer still. Why can't I see that landmass across a flat plane? I don't expect any proof from you since you have given zero proof to anything that has been asked of you. To your youtuber 'friends'that you constantly link to, please inform me of their credibility, you know, PhD's and academic works, so we can trust them as a source. Science is observable, the curvature is observable. Flatness is only observable to a point, which is why we discredit anything flat earth wise. I mean, look into en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Makgadikgadi_Pan it's one of the longest, flattest planes on the planet iirc. Doesn't show beyond the curvature.
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Post by Sylvius the Mad on Dec 20, 2018 6:09:37 GMT
See, that would be an interesting discussion, because that's arguably true. Yes, interesting discussion if you would back any of your claims up and stop using the argument from ignorance fallacy. The argument from ignorance requires I draw a conclusion from the lack of contrary evidence. That's not what I'm doing. I'm refusing to draw any conclusion at all. I want to know why you do. You trust your perception, you say, but why? You keep asserting that I believe in the globe. I haven't claimed that. Why do you think that's true? I don't need to hold a belief on that topic. No one does.
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Post by Sylvius the Mad on Dec 20, 2018 6:12:53 GMT
And yet you refuse to trust your eyes on the question of daylight in relation to time zones across the planet. Which is it? You trust your eyes or not? I do trust my eyes. And my eyes observe the inverse square law of light to be true (among other things). If light traveled forever, why isn't the thumbnail of this video fully and evenly illuminated by the sun? The atmosphere isn't fully transparent, for starters. You see that glow because the light is being scattered by the nitrogen molecules (which happen to be the right size to scatter blue light). Once the sunlight has passed through enough of the atmosphere, there's no blue light left to scatter, so there's no more glow. Light is still passing through the atmosphere, but you can't see it from the side because it's not shining at you. This is why the sunset is pink, though. Once the blue light is gone, the remaining light looks pink or orange.
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Post by Sylvius the Mad on Dec 20, 2018 6:18:43 GMT
You are assuming your perception is correct. That's an assumption. If I perceive the world as round (for example, because of the apparent motion of stars), how is that less convincing than your assertion when the two have logically equivalent justification? Affirming the consequent fallacy. Therefore your justification is not logical. What consequent? There's no consequent there. I'm offering a counter to your claim that something is obviously true by asserting that the opposite is obviously true. Neither of us has presented any evidence. So why is your claim compelling and mine not? We both need evidence. The difference is that you actually believe your assertion and I don't believe mine (because all belief is irrational). The absence of evidence is not evidence of absence. You don't need to draw a conclusion unless your evidence is conclusive, and it isn't.
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Post by Terminator Force on Dec 20, 2018 11:08:11 GMT
I have no idea why I read all this, boredom probably and TF amuses me so. Someone once brought up the fact we've known for thousands of years the Earth is a globe, tho I don't remember seeing this ancient experiment posted: www.independent.co.uk/life-style/history/ancient-greeks-proved-earth-round-eratosthenes-alexandria-syene-summer-solstice-a8131376.htmlYou said something about light in the laws of physics and compared the sun to holding your palm to a light-bulb? I may have glossed over that bit, but Lumens my friend, Lumens. Brightness in other words, the sun is so bright it will blind you if you look into it long enough. I'd ask you to try, but you know xD Okay, to Flat Earth, which means horizons are not a thing yeah? because you can see everything across a flat plane. So why, cannot I in England see America? Or Canada actually since... well stuff you don't believe is real, so America? It's pretty far away. How about Iceland? That's closer than America from the UK coast, why can't I see it? Hell Norway is closer still. Why can't I see that landmass across a flat plane? I don't expect any proof from you since you have given zero proof to anything that has been asked of you. To your youtuber 'friends'that you constantly link to, please inform me of their credibility, you know, PhD's and academic works, so we can trust them as a source. Science is observable, the curvature is observable. Flatness is only observable to a point, which is why we discredit anything flat earth wise. I mean, look into en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Makgadikgadi_Pan it's one of the longest, flattest planes on the planet iirc. Doesn't show beyond the curvature. Eratosthenes experiment is not an experiment, an experiment in science is the validation and invalidation of your hypothesis through systematic experimentation. The Eratosthenes sticks and shadow thing is also fallacious (begging the question by assuming the outcome) as it also can also prove a flat Earth with a much closer and smaller local sun. Since this story is proof of nothing and there is no other mention of Eratosthenes in history (for comparison Jesus is referenced at least 30-40 times in history by others, which is 4 more times then most popular Roman guy in Jesus' time), flat Earthers speculate it's just a fabricated story to drive a narrative. Just ask yourself why is a proof of nothing story being taught as proof? Misconception, sun gazers get so used to starring at sun that they can do it at all times and even during eclipses. Can testify to this as I've got a better hang at sun gazing (PS - sun gazing cam be dangerous so if it hurts, stop starring at the sun right away and only do it at sun rise and sun sets if a beginner. Research it more too before trying) To answer your other question; So the horizon can exist on a flat Earth too. Vision and how our eyes work is a very interesting topic in the flat Earth debate and community, so will undoubtedly talk about it more. As for flat Earth proof, well, it's mostly on YouTube. It's much easier to explain things with the YouTube video format then just words and pictures alone and that's where all these flat Earther all over the world present their amazing discoveries in flat Earth research. Much harder to put it in just words, as most of it is simply what we see. The world really is obviously and observably flat, you have to assert otherwise. As for Phd, there is a Phd YouTuber who just started testing the globe, maybe his channel would interest you; Video description in the spoiler;
My previous video presented my observations and conclusions based on my known and accepted scientific knowledge (the specific heat capacity of water, land and sea breezes etc.).
Mr Mick West from metabunk.org made a comment that challenged the integrity of this research. His statement is a deceitful lie – why?... because what he said about the buildings is blatantly not true. I and others have done the measurements, I invite you to do the same.
I have asked Mr West to take stills of the video, if he hasn't done already and do the same, as well as provide video showing the temperature measurements he took that day, which would be an important source of data to prove if light was refracting in a downward direction or not. Mr Mick West has sent me numerous emails, but I am still waiting for the key two points of evidence I have requested, which he must have in order to have made such a statement. These are:
1) The detailed analysis of stills you did from the video footage that clearly show beyond reasonable doubt (to anyone) that the buildings get more vertically compressed as you get closer to the horizon, which is your claimed proof that downward refraction is occurring.
2) A dated video of a range of temperature readings taken at 1 metre intervals between 0 – 15 metres at Worthing and / or Brighton, taken on the evening of Wednesday 23rd October. This will prove the existence of a temperature gradient, that could cause refraction (in a downward direction).
I have requested to receive these two points of evidence by close of business Thursday 13th December. Otherwise there are a lot of knowledgeable people in the flat Earth community like engineers, scientists, chemists, pilots and even lawyers. But all their testimonies are pretty much YouTube exclusive. Literally everything is on YouTube, how to get unstuck in videogames, fix car, learn to cook, etc, etc.
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Post by Terminator Force on Dec 20, 2018 11:21:53 GMT
We're going to have to put this debate on hold for a bit to get everyone in a good mood again, melt the ice so to speak. Will still try to answer some basic newb questions. Personally got lots of other flat Earth stuff to talk about too as I watch or listen to Flat Earth content basically 24-7 (ie. my subscriptions feed is mostly filled with FE content), so FE is naturally always on my mind.
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