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Post by Space Cowboy on Dec 22, 2018 1:16:04 GMT
It was not logical. It was an assertion and an over simplification fallacy. And my post was trying to walk you through my point of view. How was it not logical? Just seen flat water horizon and observed water always finds it's level. Didn't assert or assume anything. Now your turn, take me through your logical steps. What does water finding its level have to do with anything? You're making assumptions there that I'm not, so I have no idea what you're talking about.
And I did walk you through it, with the circle thing.
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Post by dmc1001 on Dec 22, 2018 1:21:47 GMT
And thus, Flat Earth was born...
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Post by Terminator Force on Dec 22, 2018 1:22:26 GMT
How was it not logical? Just seen flat water horizon and observed water always finds it's level. Didn't assert or assume anything. Now your turn, take me through your logical steps.
And I did walk you through it, with the circle thing.
Yes, go on, you're in a circle thing and you see the shiny thing approach, what is your next logical step?
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Post by Sylvius the Mad on Dec 22, 2018 1:41:53 GMT
Says it was written by some ancient Greek philosopher. Looks like a belief system to me. That's an ad hominem fallacy. You're discrediting the statement based not on what the statement is, but on who said it.
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Post by Terminator Force on Dec 22, 2018 1:59:08 GMT
Says it was written by some ancient Greek philosopher. Looks like a belief system to me. That's an ad hominem fallacy. You're discrediting the statement based not on what the statement is, but on who said it. No, read the 3 quotes you provided first. Sounds like a master obfuscator so you can hand wave everything as not provable.
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Post by Qui-Gon GlenN7 on Dec 22, 2018 2:53:31 GMT
Philosophy is a belief system and a religion?
Seriously bruh, GTFO. Now I know you're trolling.
A belief system, whose sole premise is to discuss the fact that blind belief is absurd and that no belief can be a justification for knowledge.
Your elenchus is based on a poor understanding of philosophy, and despite quoting logical fallacies like Semantic SAM reading from a Phil 101 textbook, your actual understanding of them is weak as you reductio everything thrown at you while refusing to answer direct questions.
This is something I very rarely say, but when I do I mean it - put the pipe down.
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Post by Terminator Force on Dec 22, 2018 3:03:14 GMT
Philosophy is a belief system and a religion? Seriously bruh, GTFO. Now I know you're trolling. A belief system, whose sole premise is to discuss the fact that blind belief is absurd and that no belief can be a justification for knowledge. Your elenchus is based on a poor understanding of philosophy, and despite quoting logical fallacies like Semantic SAM reading from a Phil 101 textbook, your actual understanding of them is weak as you reductio everything thrown at you while refusing to answer direct questions. This is something I very rarely say, but when I do I mean it - put the pipe down. What is your direct question?
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Post by Ruliya on Dec 22, 2018 4:51:47 GMT
Philosophy is a belief system and a religion? Seriously bruh, GTFO. Now I know you're trolling. A belief system, whose sole premise is to discuss the fact that blind belief is absurd and that no belief can be a justification for knowledge. Your elenchus is based on a poor understanding of philosophy, and despite quoting logical fallacies like Semantic SAM reading from a Phil 101 textbook, your actual understanding of them is weak as you reductio everything thrown at you while refusing to answer direct questions. This is something I very rarely say, but when I do I mean it - put the pipe down. What is your direct question? I think his direct question was, why do you dismiss most peoples agurments/observations as fallacies as false, yet fail on mass to reply to posts that contradict your own believe system. I've seen you ignore posts with videos debunking flat earth, like the Vsauce one, I've seen you ignore space cowboys posts proving your own fallacious arguments and whatnot. You seem in some ways genuine that you want to put your point across about the earth being flat, and that's admirable, be confident in your belief. But you also ignore stuff in ways that makes it seem like you cherry pick arguments to attack, or defend against, and ignore those that you have no answer to. I'll be honest with you, you may be a troll, you may not. I'm leaning towards troll, but don't let that discourage you. You have said a few times that you have lots of Flat Earth Theory you wish to discuss here, and I would like you to know, that while people may ridicule you, and debate against you, do not stop, if you do believe the Earth is flat, than continue in this thread to prove your point. Show us your version of science, and by that I mean the science that proves your belief. Because you say the Earth is obviously and observably flat, and that's interesting, if anecdotal to you. Because I, and I'm sure many people here would say that the Earth is obviously and observably curved. The horizon at sea proves this. You have, I'm sure been to a beach? If not, then fair enough, but boats dip below the horizon. I'm sure you have a youtube vid as to why that is false, and I can give you 50 that says why it's true. Flat Earthers are like anti vaxxers you ignore most of the evidence and go for the small things that proof your own ideology.This isn't meant to be an insult, though I'm curious where you stand on vaccinations. I know I shouldn't but I kind of want to ask your opinion on magnets, I know some flat earthers deny magnets are a thing, another government conspiracy. Because our magnetic fields are produced from our mainly Iron/Nickel core, and speaking of the inner cores that produce most of the heat that our planet needs to survive. So I suppose if I could ask you about that, how is our planet kept warm? How do the magnetic fields form? Our magnetosphere protects us from harmful solar radiation, or do you not believe in radiation either? How about time zones? you ignored those questions. You also say it's impossible to know the Earth's distance from the sun. Yet you claim it to be a small ball in the sky circling the disc of the Earth, could you please provide evidence of how you know that that is the case? Also, since aviation is a thing is real, and many people can get a pilots license, why has there never been pictures or videos of the ice wall or edge of the Earth? Coz no offenc but smacks of UFO bs, since camera's and video recording devices became a thing, claims of UFO's dramatically dropped. Many claiming their tech to inexplicably fail. Is that what happens when someone gets to the edge? Tech fails? One more thing, if I may, you said many Flat Earthers say space doesn't exist, so where are we? What do we exist in and what exactly are all those stars... sorry, 'lights' in the night sky? One extra if I may, I know it has no bearing on the discussion at hand, but if I may be so bold, do you believe in a creator God?
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Post by Sylvius the Mad on Dec 22, 2018 5:14:19 GMT
That's an ad hominem fallacy. You're discrediting the statement based not on what the statement is, but on who said it. No, read the 3 quotes you provided first. Sounds like a master obfuscator so you can hand wave everything as not provable. Which is why I asked if they are incorrect. Can you identify an actual problem there? Can you suggest a fourth way to justify a conclusion? Why are you focusing on the writing style rather than the content? Also, those weren't quotes. I wrote those; I'm stating the trilemma from memory (it's a simple concept, so it's not hard to learn).
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Post by dmc1001 on Dec 22, 2018 7:04:00 GMT
One extra if I may, I know it has no bearing on the discussion at hand, but if I may be so bold, do you believe in a creator God? This seems to be core to FE thinking. Some cite Biblical texts for reasons why the Earth is flat, but this is by no means a standard interpretation. The thought seems to be that a deity created the world, flat, and put some ball of light in the sky. No magnetic fields, no gravity, conspiracies abounding. I even saw one video that talked about the conspirators all worshiping Satan and that somehow played into why FE was kept a secret. Still an irrational non-explanation. Anyway, it seems to have a creator deity as its source.
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Post by Space Cowboy on Dec 22, 2018 10:40:01 GMT
One extra if I may, I know it has no bearing on the discussion at hand, but if I may be so bold, do you believe in a creator God? This seems to be core to FE thinking. Some cite Biblical texts for reasons why the Earth is flat, but this is by no means a standard interpretation. The thought seems to be that a deity created the world, flat, and put some ball of light in the sky. No magnetic fields, no gravity, conspiracies abounding. I even saw one video that talked about the conspirators all worshiping Satan and that somehow played into why FE was kept a secret. Still an irrational non-explanation. Anyway, it seems to have a creator deity as its source. Yep. Ancient middle east civilizations like Sumeria and Babylon had the exact same myths, but they were polytheistic. The earth is a disk, sun made of beated copper. Lights in the sky, the sun disappears at one edge and reappears at the other. Whoever wrote the (slightly) more modern 'holy books' just cribbed from them and switched the stories to be about a monotheistic god. That's why his chart he posted before has so many European and Middle Eastern civilizations in it. Everyone in the region thought the same thing. They also though the planet was small and encompassed only the area they knew about. The Greek and Roman ones show the world consisting of the area around the Mediterranean (which means sea in the middle of the earth)
His north American belief claims in that chart, I don't know. They may have reached a similar conclusion given they only used what they could see, like he himself is doing.
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Post by Terminator Force on Dec 22, 2018 12:24:53 GMT
What is your direct question? I think his direct question was, why do you dismiss most peoples agurments/observations as fallacies as false, yet fail on mass to reply to posts that contradict your own believe system. I've seen you ignore posts with videos debunking flat earth, like the Vsauce one, I've seen you ignore space cowboys posts proving your own fallacious arguments and whatnot. You seem in some ways genuine that you want to put your point across about the earth being flat, and that's admirable, be confident in your belief. But you also ignore stuff in ways that makes it seem like you cherry pick arguments to attack, or defend against, and ignore those that you have no answer to. I'll be honest with you, you may be a troll, you may not. I'm leaning towards troll, but don't let that discourage you. You have said a few times that you have lots of Flat Earth Theory you wish to discuss here, and I would like you to know, that while people may ridicule you, and debate against you, do not stop, if you do believe the Earth is flat, than continue in this thread to prove your point. Show us your version of science, and by that I mean the science that proves your belief. Because you say the Earth is obviously and observably flat, and that's interesting, if anecdotal to you. Because I, and I'm sure many people here would say that the Earth is obviously and observably curved. The horizon at sea proves this. You have, I'm sure been to a beach? If not, then fair enough, but boats dip below the horizon. I'm sure you have a youtube vid as to why that is false, and I can give you 50 that says why it's true. Flat Earthers are like anti vaxxers you ignore most of the evidence and go for the small things that proof your own ideology.This isn't meant to be an insult, though I'm curious where you stand on vaccinations. I know I shouldn't but I kind of want to ask your opinion on magnets, I know some flat earthers deny magnets are a thing, another government conspiracy. Because our magnetic fields are produced from our mainly Iron/Nickel core, and speaking of the inner cores that produce most of the heat that our planet needs to survive. So I suppose if I could ask you about that, how is our planet kept warm? How do the magnetic fields form? Our magnetosphere protects us from harmful solar radiation, or do you not believe in radiation either? How about time zones? you ignored those questions. You also say it's impossible to know the Earth's distance from the sun. Yet you claim it to be a small ball in the sky circling the disc of the Earth, could you please provide evidence of how you know that that is the case? Also, since aviation is a thing is real, and many people can get a pilots license, why has there never been pictures or videos of the ice wall or edge of the Earth? Coz no offenc but smacks of UFO bs, since camera's and video recording devices became a thing, claims of UFO's dramatically dropped. Many claiming their tech to inexplicably fail. Is that what happens when someone gets to the edge? Tech fails? One more thing, if I may, you said many Flat Earthers say space doesn't exist, so where are we? What do we exist in and what exactly are all those stars... sorry, 'lights' in the night sky? One extra if I may, I know it has no bearing on the discussion at hand, but if I may be so bold, do you believe in a creator God? Actually had a post reply for VSauce video but it wasn't too concise and didn't want to always provide a rebuttal in hopes that it encourages sharing more videos. Just trying to keep things simple for starters. I'll open things more up soon and will even entertain some logical fallacies. Yes, understandable, will start providing some flat Earth content and alternative explanation. Starting today. So hope it pleases you, feedback appreciated as I want you all to be entertained and happy. Do boats go over the horizon or into the horizon? Probably the most discussed in the debate circles. Lots to talk about here. Never heard of a flat Earther deny magnets, where you getting your flat Earth information? Make sure it's mostly YouTube and avoid The Flat Earth Society like the plague (very obvious controlled opposition. ie, the strawman of flat Earth). Not going to answer everything at once, but will start providing content that will provide alternate explanations and leave the audience to draw their own conclusions (don't want to always be debating as I want to encourage you all to ask questions). Lets take things one step at a time, there's so much to cover you guys probably can't fathom since everyone starts with the preconception that FE's a joke. And if by chance you want a question answered to FE alternative immediately, just ask. But one question at a time, things aren't as black and white as they seem. Yes, I believe in a creator.
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Post by Terminator Force on Dec 22, 2018 16:42:35 GMT
Alright, lets move on to something exciting everyone can relate to and give you all a taste of things to come. It's about how the vestibular system in our ear work, how it's dependent on gravity and questioning how can it be possible to function in a zero gravity environment. This really resonated with me because a good friend of mine shared his inner ear infection story and said it was the most horrible experience ever having no sense of orientation, vomiting uncontrollably and barely manage calling his girlfriend to call ambulance.
Other then that, video gets very entertaining and is the kind of video that will make you hunger for more flat Earth content.
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Post by Space Cowboy on Dec 22, 2018 17:21:51 GMT
Right horizontal spinning. Good source of gravity. Where have we seen that before?
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Post by Space Cowboy on Dec 22, 2018 17:22:28 GMT
Other then that, video gets very entertaining and is the kind of video that will make you hunger for more flat Earth content. Don't count on it.
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Post by dmc1001 on Dec 22, 2018 17:33:41 GMT
I found this quote but I find it amusing:
"I asked a flat-earther to play basketball the other day. He brought a frisbee.
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Post by dmc1001 on Dec 22, 2018 17:47:22 GMT
Actually, we need to step up the game of this thread and see the REAL truth about what's going on: 13 Pieces of Evidence Supporting the Hollow Earth HypothesisConspirators are making you believe the round Earth is flat to hide the fact that the Earth is hollow. The reason for this is that they worship Satan and Hell is inside of the Earth. Facts. For the record, the following site shows all kinds of sciency stuff. Our Living Hollow EarthI'm sorry, TF, but the evidence is overwhelmingly against you.
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Post by Terminator Force on Dec 25, 2018 12:55:15 GMT
Flat Earth Debate stream started early this Christmas day. Lots of ballers on the panel and lots of obfuscating.
Have a hunch there will be 3 shows today. So during stream breaks, stick around for the next episode to start. Keep in mind anyone can join this debate as long as there is room on the panel (10 max). If you want room to join, make the request in the live chat box.
EDIT - alas, this was a rerun of last Christmas episode. Explains why there were so many ballers, as this show used to be dominated by ballers before all their arguments were taken apart. Myself started watching show since this January.
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Post by dmc1001 on Dec 26, 2018 11:01:32 GMT
How does Santa fly around the Earth?
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Post by Terminator Force on Dec 26, 2018 12:09:16 GMT
How does Santa fly around the Earth? Oh, I have to debunk Santa too now.
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Post by dmc1001 on Dec 26, 2018 16:24:34 GMT
How does Santa fly around the Earth? Oh, I have to debunk Santa too now. Santa flies around the world.
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Post by dmc1001 on Dec 26, 2018 17:32:14 GMT
Here's an image of the turtles switching out holding up the Earth. This movement is what causes earthquakes. Here are some of them in action stacking themselves up.
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Post by Terminator Force on Dec 26, 2018 18:47:27 GMT
... Seems to me like mainstream media is trying to use bible believers as a strawman. They always be misrepresenting flat Earth, like take a look at that flat Earth image displayed in article;
^ This is why people still ask basic flat Earth 101 questions like why doesn't the water fall off the edge and how do you circumnavigate on a flat Earth;
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