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Post by dmc1001 on Dec 26, 2018 19:21:29 GMT
What? I never knew anyone believed the image on the left. I've seen enough to know it's meant to be horizontal, though what that means in terms of space is unknown. Oh, wait. Space is fake.
I've already covered the ice wall in some other previous post. You dismissed things that are inconvenient. You're damn good at that.
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Post by Terminator Force on Dec 26, 2018 19:55:27 GMT
What? I never knew anyone believed the image on the left. I've seen enough to know it's meant to be horizontal, though what that means in terms of space is unknown. Oh, wait. Space is fake.
I've already covered the ice wall in some other previous post. You dismissed things that are inconvenient. You're damn good at that.
No inconvenience dismissed. Just pointed out an example of a frequently used mainstream media strawman and managed to answer your circumnavigation question as a result.
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Post by dmc1001 on Dec 26, 2018 20:21:50 GMT
No inconvenience dismissed. Just pointed out an example of a frequently used mainstream media strawman and managed to answer your circumnavigation question as a result. You dismiss audio, video and testimony. As I said, you dismiss anything inconvenient.
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Post by Terminator Force on Dec 26, 2018 20:33:21 GMT
No inconvenience dismissed. Just pointed out an example of a frequently used mainstream media strawman and managed to answer your circumnavigation question as a result. You dismiss audio, video and testimony. As I said, you dismiss anything inconvenient. Present your audio/video testimonies.
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Post by dmc1001 on Dec 26, 2018 21:24:43 GMT
You dismiss audio, video and testimony. As I said, you dismiss anything inconvenient. Present your audio/video testimonies. It doesn't matter what I show you. You already said that unless YOU can personally go into orbit to verify a round Earth than it doesn't count. You said that.. Anyway, here's a shit ton of audio/video for you to ignore. I've got more if you need it.
Video from 1961 isn't that clear but listen to Neil Armstrong describe what he sees. Note there are a lot of places he isn't seeing.
Live streaming:
More live streaming:
If you have some time to spare, here's video of a full orbit around the Earth:
More from Chris Hadfield interview:
Testimony from four astronauts accompanied by video:
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Post by dmc1001 on Dec 26, 2018 21:39:04 GMT
One last, short video, from astronaut Chris Hadfield
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Post by Terminator Force on Dec 26, 2018 22:08:35 GMT
Ready to cross examine some NASA footage with me?
^ Short 2 min clip to the awesome tune of famous Mass Effect 2 launch trailer;
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Post by dmc1001 on Dec 27, 2018 4:33:16 GMT
Yes, let's cross examine that footage. When we get a closer look you find it's not a green screen after all. Nice try, though. Keep on searching.
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Post by Ruliya on Dec 27, 2018 5:11:11 GMT
Yes, let's cross examine that footage. When we get a closer look you find it's not a green screen after all. Nice try, though. Keep on searching.
Oh shit xD evidence cross examined and the truth is known! Or maybe, still out there? *X-files theme plays*
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Post by Ruliya on Dec 27, 2018 5:32:21 GMT
I mean Terminator Force, you've posted an obviously faked video as proof and the real video is shown. How is it obviously faked? Why the few seconds of the same footage is shown over and over, rather than the full footage that is shown in dmc1001's video. Plus you have had so much time to answer the questions posed in my post the other day, yet you have not. You're either holding back on me, or you don't know. Also "god did it" is not a valid answer I'm afraid
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Post by Terminator Force on Dec 27, 2018 11:22:05 GMT
That's good, but lets not jump to conclusions and get feelings involved. Next footage for examination is; I mean Terminator Force, you've posted an obviously faked video as proof and the real video is shown. How is it obviously faked? Why the few seconds of the same footage is shown over and over, rather than the full footage that is shown in dmc1001's video. Plus you have had so much time to answer the questions posed in my post the other day, yet you have not. You're either holding back on me, or you don't know. Also "god did it" is not a valid answer I'm afraid Ask again, but one question per post.
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Post by dmc1001 on Dec 27, 2018 14:23:19 GMT
Glitches? Really? A known issue with compressed video and not nearly limited to things related to alleged faked video. Typical and lame. You don't know how video compression works and try to use that as "evidence". *Yawn* Try again.
Check out this video. Feel free to watch the whole thing but the relevant part starts here.
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Post by Space Cowboy on Dec 27, 2018 17:02:16 GMT
Debating with a flat earther is like playing chess with a pigeon. It flies in, knocks over all the pieces, craps all over the board, struts about and claims victory before flying off.
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Post by Terminator Force on Dec 27, 2018 17:25:42 GMT
dmc1001 Missed the point, only the astronauts and foreground objects glitched out, suggesting separate video layer from background layer that was otherwise not affected. Here's another example of this; Only the car is not affected by the wobble glitch in this scene, suggesting Earth and car shadow (on front wheel near top) are on separate video layer(s).
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Post by dmc1001 on Dec 27, 2018 19:52:17 GMT
Actually, you missed the point, because I disproved your "evidence" of the green screen. Yet, you ignore that because you were wrong. Every time I poke holes in your "evidence" you ignore it.
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Post by dmc1001 on Dec 27, 2018 20:08:01 GMT
dmc1001 Missed the point, only the astronauts and foreground objects glitched out, suggesting separate video layer from background layer that was otherwise not affected. Here's another example of this; Only the car is not affected by the wobble glitch in this scene, suggesting Earth and car shadow (on front wheel near top) are on separate video layer(s). I actually showed you a source about glitching that was in no way related to FE, for or against. The NASA/"green screen" video was already proven to be intentional falsification in an attempt to discredit NASA. Your video said the astronaut was actually in front of a green screen. Mine shows the truth, which was that there was a canvas of some sort that he stood in front of but that was not even as tall as the astronaut. The rest of the station is visible around it. All FE has are lies and misdirection.
OK, so lets look at the video from the actual live stream of the "moving Earth". What do we find? No shaky Earth. Just like with the astronaut, more lies and misdirection from people who espouse Flat Earth.
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Post by Ruliya on Dec 27, 2018 20:30:21 GMT
That's good, but lets not jump to conclusions and get feelings involved. Next footage for examination is; I mean Terminator Force, you've posted an obviously faked video as proof and the real video is shown. How is it obviously faked? Why the few seconds of the same footage is shown over and over, rather than the full footage that is shown in dmc1001's video. Plus you have had so much time to answer the questions posed in my post the other day, yet you have not. You're either holding back on me, or you don't know. Also "god did it" is not a valid answer I'm afraid Ask again, but one question per post. The questions are there. You're not a magic 8 ball, no 'ask again later'. Answer them one at a time if you want, but don't be lazy and ask me to repeat myself. It's okay to say you don't know. It's the foundation of science. Not knowing, to knowing.
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Post by Sylvius the Mad on Dec 27, 2018 20:42:34 GMT
I'm not surprised the OP stopped engaging with the guy with degrees in both astrophysics and logic, but I was surprised he hung in there as long as he did.
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Post by Terminator Force on Dec 27, 2018 20:57:09 GMT
Here is the timestamp for shaky Earth in the full video live stream you linked; ... That's good, but lets not jump to conclusions and get feelings involved. Next footage for examination is; Ask again, but one question per post. The questions are there. You're not a magic 8 ball, no 'ask again later'. Answer them one at a time if you want, but don't be lazy and ask me to repeat myself. It's okay to say you don't know. It's the foundation of science. Not knowing, to knowing. Quote your own post where you asked these questions and highlight which question you want answered first.
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Post by Terminator Force on Dec 27, 2018 21:01:36 GMT
Actually, you missed the point, because I disproved your "evidence" of the green screen. Yet, you ignore that because you were wrong. Every time I poke holes in your "evidence" you ignore it. Your examples didn't show compression errors being selective about foreground and background layers.
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Post by dmc1001 on Dec 27, 2018 21:04:55 GMT
Actually, you missed the point, because I disproved your "evidence" of the green screen. Yet, you ignore that because you were wrong. Every time I poke holes in your "evidence" you ignore it. Your examples didn't show compression errors being selective about foreground and background layers. Yeah, that came up before compression errors were discussed. I was directly showing you video that countered the one you had showing Bush being wheeled through a NASA facility and an alleged green screen with an astronaut. Your response was about the glitching but that had nothing to do with the astronaut.
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Post by Sylvius the Mad on Dec 27, 2018 21:08:57 GMT
Do flat earthers have any actual evidence for the earth being flat? And can they explain apparent stellar positions using a flat earth model?
The flat earth is NOT a reasonable default position. The only reasonable default position is always uncertainty, and uncertainty only.
So, starting from that default, where we do not know the shape of the Earth, what evidence do we have?
I apply a similar standard to religious belief. Personally, I think the most reasonable explanation for human consciousness is that we're all Boltzman Brains.
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Post by Terminator Force on Dec 27, 2018 21:11:58 GMT
Your examples didn't show compression errors being selective about foreground and background layers. Yeah, that came up before compression errors were discussed. I was directly showing you video that countered the one you had showing Bush being wheeled through a NASA facility and an alleged green screen with an astronaut. Your response was about the glitching but that had nothing to do with the astronaut. <iframe width="23.960000000000036" height="4.900000000000006" style="position: absolute; width: 23.960000000000036px; height: 4.900000000000006px; z-index: -9999; border-style: none;left: 15px; top: -5px;" id="MoatPxIOPT0_91329178" scrolling="no"></iframe> <iframe width="23.960000000000036" height="4.900000000000006" style="position: absolute; width: 23.96px; height: 4.9px; z-index: -9999; border-style: none; left: 1138px; top: -5px;" id="MoatPxIOPT0_37068543" scrolling="no"></iframe> <iframe width="23.960000000000036" height="4.900000000000006" style="position: absolute; width: 23.96px; height: 4.9px; z-index: -9999; border-style: none; left: 15px; top: 184px;" id="MoatPxIOPT0_81158810" scrolling="no"></iframe> <iframe width="23.960000000000036" height="4.900000000000006" style="position: absolute; width: 23.96px; height: 4.9px; z-index: -9999; border-style: none; left: 1138px; top: 184px;" id="MoatPxIOPT0_10917574" scrolling="no"></iframe> And I've responded "Very good" or something to that effect.
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Post by Terminator Force on Dec 27, 2018 21:17:07 GMT
Do flat earthers have any actual evidence for the earth being flat? And can they explain apparent stellar positions using a flat earth model? The flat earth is NOT a reasonable default position. The only reasonable default position is always uncertainty, and uncertainty only. So, starting from that default, where we do not know the shape of the Earth, what evidence do we have? I apply a similar standard to religious belief. Personally, I think the most reasonable explanation for human consciousness is that we're all Boltzman Brains. Got it backwards, there's no evidence for Earth curvature. So what do you call the default position if there's no sight of Earth curvature?
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