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Post by Sylvius the Mad on Jan 7, 2019 21:23:06 GMT
Regarding the "devout" - no. While you can extrapolate from your earlier thought experiment that knowledge is actually a farcical concept, you cannot then say that the devout "know" something "correctly". You do describe confirmation bias well though! I argue that you cannot know anything ever, and that we simply need to accept certain things to keep it moving in this plane of existence. Things like math work pretty well, almost something we know. This is why I remain agnostic in my atheism - it would be "religious fervor" to claim that "I know God doesn't exist." I plainly do not know that or anything else, and despite my collection of well-justified beliefs and unbeliefs, I know nothing Colonel. Given how you're using the word knowledge, sure, but that necessarily then renders the concept of knowledge meaningless. But to have meaningless terms so often used as if they are meaningful violates the rules of our shared language game (as Wittgenstein would put it). As such, that cannot be what we actually mean when we use the words. You're entirely correct about agnosticism. Believing in the absence of a god is at least as foolish as believing in the existence of a god (possibly more foolish - again, Russell's Teapot). Though falsifying specific gods isn't difficult. St. Thomas Aquinas managed to do that accidentally several centuries ago.
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Post by Qui-Gon GlenN7 on Jan 8, 2019 0:05:54 GMT
Regarding the "devout" - no. While you can extrapolate from your earlier thought experiment that knowledge is actually a farcical concept, you cannot then say that the devout "know" something "correctly". You do describe confirmation bias well though! I argue that you cannot know anything ever, and that we simply need to accept certain things to keep it moving in this plane of existence. Things like math work pretty well, almost something we know. This is why I remain agnostic in my atheism - it would be "religious fervor" to claim that "I know God doesn't exist." I plainly do not know that or anything else, and despite my collection of well-justified beliefs and unbeliefs, I know nothing Colonel. Given how you're using the word knowledge, sure, but that necessarily then renders the concept of knowledge meaningless. But to have meaningless terms so often used as if they are meaningful violates the rules of our shared language game (as Wittgenstein would put it). As such, that cannot be what we actually mean when we use the words. You're entirely correct about agnosticism. Believing in the absence of a god is at least as foolish as believing in the existence of a god (possibly more foolish - again, Russell's Teapot). Though falsifying specific gods isn't difficult. St. Thomas Aquinas managed to do that accidentally several centuries ago. Ah, Philosophy of Language... So many schools, so many problems brought forth. I have no complaint about your post now, carry on my good Mad
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Post by lennybusker on Jan 8, 2019 0:41:32 GMT
That's been my criticism of skepticism as well. Fine, we can't """"""""know"""""""" anything. Well, we need a word that means "to believe with justified certainty" in order for society to function, so let's just pick one and move on.
As the Good Economist said, The philosophers have only interpreted the world in various ways; the point, however, is to change it.
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Post by dmc1001 on Jan 8, 2019 1:59:35 GMT
I don't know if there exists an anti-realist school of epistemic thought, but it would be worth investigating. Had to look that one up. Seems appropriate.
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Post by dmc1001 on Jan 8, 2019 2:03:22 GMT
That's been my criticism of skepticism as well. Fine, we can't """"""""know"""""""" anything. Well, we need a word that means "to believe with justified certainty" in order for society to function, so let's just pick one and move on. As the Good Economist said, The philosophers have only interpreted the world in various ways; the point, however, is to change it.We can know the Earth is round. That's not in dispute for the rational mind. The evidence is there and it can actually be viewed in *real time*.
What can't we know? If aliens are out there. If gods exists. (I categorically say 'no.'") If Elvis is on a secret island with Marilyn Monroe and James Dean. These are things for which we have no evidence but could be true. Flat Earth has no evidence.
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Post by dmc1001 on Jan 8, 2019 2:06:20 GMT
This is why I remain agnostic in my atheism - it would be "religious fervor" to claim that "I know God doesn't exist." I plainly do not know that or anything else, and despite my collection of well-justified beliefs and unbeliefs, I know nothing Colonel. Technically I'm agnostic in the sense that it's impossible to know without being omniscient. That said, no evidence exists for any sort of deities. A dusty old book sure isn't proof. Beyond being atheist, I'm also anti-theist. Flat Earth theory alone shows how harmful religion can be.
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Post by Terminator Force on Jan 8, 2019 2:20:44 GMT
Nice video demonstration on how advanced real time green screen technology has become. Only need to watch like one minute to get a good idea.
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Post by dmc1001 on Jan 8, 2019 2:45:40 GMT
Nice video demonstration on how advanced real time green screen technology has become. Only need to watch like one minute to get a good idea. Last time you showed a video claiming something was green screen I proved it was false.
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Post by Terminator Force on Jan 8, 2019 11:40:25 GMT
Brief clip of a wipe green screen slip up. Pay attention to the flags in the background too, as they remain in same animation between scene wipe transition.
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Post by Son of Dorn on Jan 8, 2019 11:44:16 GMT
If the earth is flat then someone should tell all the fat femnazis to stop sitting on it.
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Post by lennybusker on Jan 8, 2019 16:23:11 GMT
Brief clip of a wipe green screen slip up. Pay attention to the flags in the background too, as they remain in same animation between scene wipe transition. They clearly don't though, everything from Canada to the right changes position in the wipe ed: the other flags and the strap they're on also move too, it's just almost imperceptible because they are very close to the same position in the two scenes. Also there's, you know, the obvious change in lighting. Imagine being someone who is confused by a scene transition
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Post by Terminator Force on Jan 8, 2019 18:35:08 GMT
Brief clip of a wipe green screen slip up. Pay attention to the flags in the background too, as they remain in same animation between scene wipe transition. They clearly don't though, everything from Canada to the right changes position in the wipe ed: the other flags and the strap they're on also move too, it's just almost imperceptible because they are very close to the same position in the two scenes. Also there's, you know, the obvious change in lighting. Imagine being someone who is confused by a scene transition There's a frame by frame analysis @1:54 timesptamp. The flags are exactly the same in wipe. EDIT - you're probably on that the flags do animate, but the motion is consistent as described in the commentary.
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Post by lennybusker on Jan 8, 2019 21:00:11 GMT
They clearly don't though, everything from Canada to the right changes position in the wipe ed: the other flags and the strap they're on also move too, it's just almost imperceptible because they are very close to the same position in the two scenes. Also there's, you know, the obvious change in lighting. Imagine being someone who is confused by a scene transition There's a frame by frame analysis @1:54 timesptamp. The flags are exactly the same in wipe. They're clearly not. But hey here's another video of an ISS tour for you to watch, this one with no confusing screen wipes media1.tenor.com/images/0489fb2f025d80cb993ac1e2712682fa/tenor.gif
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Post by Terminator Force on Jan 8, 2019 21:52:30 GMT
Moving on; First clip at start of video you can clearly see an astronaut fade out before your eyes and his right hand going through a wall. @2:35 timestamp, a mic being passed to another astronaut magically changes into a different mic.
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Post by Son of Dorn on Jan 8, 2019 22:01:01 GMT
This song sums up all flat earthers:
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Post by dmc1001 on Jan 9, 2019 4:29:22 GMT
They're clearly not. But hey here's another video of an ISS tour for you to watch, this one with no confusing screen wipes Common FE tactic to show a clip that seems to support their belief. Then you look at the full video and it's proven false.
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Post by dmc1001 on Jan 9, 2019 8:33:03 GMT
Here's the real truth.
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Post by lennybusker on Jan 9, 2019 11:09:16 GMT
Moving on; First clip at start of video you can clearly see an astronaut fade out before your eyes and his right hand going through a wall. @2:35 timestamp, a mic being passed to another astronaut magically changes into a different mic. the video should really be called WHAT AM MACROBLOCKING? no comments on the almost hour long uninterrupted tour video I posted, eh?
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Post by Terminator Force on Jan 9, 2019 12:09:38 GMT
Pay attention to the smooth Earth background frame rate compared to stop motion frame rate of astronaut. And @1:49 timestamp the astronaut swivels his helmet which would otherwise be impossible (because helmets can't turn with your head in those suits since they aren't attached to head movement + are pressurized)
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Post by Son of Dorn on Jan 9, 2019 17:26:42 GMT
The G4C suit (based on the G3-C) worn by Ed White had a rotating neck bearing. ntrs.nasa.gov/archive/nasa/casi.ntrs.nasa.gov/19660007653.pdfThe film was shot at 6 fps as stated in the article the video shows but ignores. It's been sped up and stabilised in these god awful fucking "analysis" videos, it looks exactly as you'd expect when viewed at the proper framerate. I can't find any pictures of the McDonnell 16mm camera used but the backup Maurer camera can be seen here, clearly indicating a 6 fps shooting mode. airandspace.si.edu/collection-objects/camera-data-acquisition-16mm-gemini. The photo shown of the Gemini 3 set is most likely the same model McDonnell camera actually used on Gemini 4. The film magazine would be externally attached. Once again FE'ers fail at basic fucking googling skills. Flat Earthers fail at simple logic, so them failing at Googling is not much of a stretch.
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Post by Terminator Force on Jan 9, 2019 17:48:29 GMT
Earth scrolls smoother then astronaut. Nuff said.
And cartoons of spacesuit head swivel won't do it, has to be actual visual demonstration of suit in a vacuum chamber doing the swivel. And for some context as to how hard it is to move in a vacuum chamber, here is Adam from Mythbusters trying to screw some screws with a glove inside a vacuum chamber.
And space we're told is a near perfect vacuum, far higher then what can be achieved on Earth.
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Post by Terminator Force on Jan 9, 2019 17:53:48 GMT
The G4C suit (based on the G3-C) worn by Ed White had a rotating neck bearing. ntrs.nasa.gov/archive/nasa/casi.ntrs.nasa.gov/19660007653.pdfThe film was shot at 6 fps as stated in the article the video shows but ignores. It's been sped up and stabilised in these god awful fucking "analysis" videos, it looks exactly as you'd expect when viewed at the proper framerate. I can't find any pictures of the McDonnell 16mm camera used but the backup Maurer camera can be seen here, clearly indicating a 6 fps shooting mode. airandspace.si.edu/collection-objects/camera-data-acquisition-16mm-gemini. The photo shown of the Gemini 3 set is most likely the same model McDonnell camera actually used on Gemini 4. The film magazine would be externally attached. Once again FE'ers fail at basic fucking googling skills. Flat Earthers fail at simple logic, so them failing at Googling is not much of a stretch. Of course google tries to have an explanation for everything (muddying the waters is a very effective tactic), but alas, what we're told and what we can replicate and observe for ourselves are two different things.
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Post by Son of Dorn on Jan 9, 2019 18:02:11 GMT
Flat Earthers fail at simple logic, so them failing at Googling is not much of a stretch. Of course google tries to have an explanation for everything (muddying the waters is a very effective tactic), but alas, what we're told and what we can replicate and observe for ourselves are two different things. img.memecdn.com/but-then-i-lold_o_480693.gif
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Post by lennybusker on Jan 9, 2019 18:22:17 GMT
If I'm ever on trial for something I didn't do, relying on video evidence for exoneration I hope to god no FE'ers are on the jury. "Hmm, his wrist moved funny. This is fake."
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