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Post by Terminator Force on Jan 9, 2019 18:31:28 GMT
Since Mythbusters got mentioned, might as well share this video of them lying about Earth curvature with a fish eye lens.
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Post by dmc1001 on Jan 10, 2019 5:08:49 GMT
All Flat Earth arguments in one place!
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Post by Terminator Force on Jan 10, 2019 12:45:07 GMT
8 min clip of Joe Rogan and Neil deGrasse Tyson discussing flat Earth.
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Post by flyingsquirrel on Jan 10, 2019 17:26:26 GMT
So, this may be happening: www.theguardian.com/science/2019/jan/09/flat-earth-cruise-nautical-navigationAre these folks hoping to take the cruise all the way to the "edge" of the Earth? If so, I'm wondering what they think they'll find there. Do FEers think that the Earth is surrounded by some sort of barrier? Or does the water in the ocean just sort of drip off the edges? If it's the latter, then why hasn't the planet run dry yet?
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Post by Qui-Gon GlenN7 on Jan 10, 2019 17:55:19 GMT
So, this may be happening: www.theguardian.com/science/2019/jan/09/flat-earth-cruise-nautical-navigationAre these folks hoping to take the cruise all the way to the "edge" of the Earth? If so, I'm wondering what they think they'll find there. Do FEers think that the Earth is surrounded by some sort of barrier? Or does the water in the ocean just sort of drip off the edges? If it's the latter, then why hasn't the planet run dry yet? It gets worse - compasses are a lie and the Earth is a mobius strip. It is all so meta.
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Post by lennybusker on Jan 10, 2019 19:14:13 GMT
TF what's your belief on lunar eclipses? Why do they happen?
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Post by AnDromedary on Jan 10, 2019 19:21:43 GMT
Ah, they'll just use GPS ... oh wait!
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Post by Qui-Gon GlenN7 on Jan 10, 2019 19:30:31 GMT
Ah, they'll just use GPS ... oh wait! The Geth Plasma Shotgun would definitely be helpful when they reach the Wall.
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Post by Terminator Force on Jan 10, 2019 19:59:21 GMT
TF what's your belief on lunar eclipses? Why do they happen? Not sure I've any beliefs to what it is. However, there's some interesting information as to what it could be and why it certainly isn't what they tell us that I could start sharing a bit of. First, it's not Earths shadow across moon because; 1. The conformation factor 2. The shadow diffusion factor 3. The sine wave "S" factor 4. The reflected light factor Very detailed video on how shadows work by explaining those 4 points listed, and I've time stamped it ahead to those points @7:41 timestamp.
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Post by lennybusker on Jan 10, 2019 23:11:25 GMT
Hahaha oh my fucking god. "holds a pencil 1 cm away from a ball to talk about shadows" Interesting that all of those points are explained perfectly by a very large sun being very far away from an earth-moon system. Oh my god I just got to the reflected light factor lmao. It is perfectly possible to see the moon lit by earthshine during a new moon, but only at a certain time. Luckily it's a repeatable event, it happens every so often with predictable regularity. It's called a solar eclipse. At other times it's simply too dim compared to the sun to view with the eye. However with very special photographic equipment and methods you can still capture a new moon on camera, but not lit by earthshine - again, it's simply too dim compared to sunlight (and sunlight will always interfere because the new moon rises and sets with the sun.) Thierry Legault has the record from 2010, a photo showing the moon at the precise moment of new moon. www.astrophoto.fr/new_moon_2010april14.htmlEarthshine lighting up the dark side of the moon during an eclipe spaceweathergallery.com/indiv_upload.php?upload_id=138481Just more and more arguments from incredulity. I'm not even sure it deserves being called that, I think we need to invent a new term, maybe "argument from dogshit stupidity".
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Post by Space Cowboy on Jan 10, 2019 23:20:55 GMT
Hahaha oh my fucking god. "holds a pencil 1 cm away from a ball to talk about shadows" Interesting that all of those points are explained perfectly by a very large sun being very far away from an earth-moon system. Oh my god I just got to the reflected light factor lmao. It is perfectly possible to see the moon lit by earthshine during a new moon, but only at a certain time. Luckily it's a repeatable event, it happens every so often with predictable regularity. It's called a solar eclipse. At other times it's simply too dim compared to the sun to view with the eye. However with very special photographic equipment and methods you can still capture a new moon on camera, but not lit by earthshine - again, it's simply too dim compared to sunlight (and sunlight will always interfere because the new moon rises and sets with the sun.) Thierry Legault has the record from 2010, a photo showing the moon at the precise moment of new moon. www.astrophoto.fr/new_moon_2010april14.htmlEarthshine lighting up the dark side of the moon during an eclipe spaceweathergallery.com/indiv_upload.php?upload_id=138481Just more and more arguments from incredulity. I'm not even sure it deserves being called that, I think we need to invent a new term, maybe "argument from dogshit stupidity". I asked about solar eclipses earlier. Unsurprisingly his answer wasn't satisfying. Same deal with time zones. No intelligible answer there.
Then went to search for what is said about the south pole, and why a different set of stars revolve around a different spot in the sky in the southern hemisphere. Of course, they have answers to that, but the wording is very telling.
I didn't follow any links, but page after page of google results were of people saying something along the lines of "I know how to explain the southern stars!"
In other words, they, like creationists and other biblical literalists, take the conclusion as absolute truth and try to make up nonsense as to why the facts don't match their 'truth'.
It's the opposite of how anyone sensible thinks.
It's also hilarious how obsessed with Nasa they are, despite people knowing the shape of the earth long before Nasa existed, and despite the existence of space programs in other countries, some of them competing with Nasa.
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Post by Terminator Force on Jan 10, 2019 23:23:34 GMT
It's also hilarious how obsessed with Nasa they are, despite people knowing the shape of the earth long before Nasa existed, and despite the existence of space programs in other countries, some of them competing with Nasa.
So how did people know the shape of the Earth before NASA?
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Post by Space Cowboy on Jan 10, 2019 23:24:56 GMT
That's been my criticism of skepticism as well. Fine, we can't """"""""know"""""""" anything. Well, we need a word that means "to believe with justified certainty" in order for society to function, so let's just pick one and move on. As the Good Economist said, The philosophers have only interpreted the world in various ways; the point, however, is to change it.I agree, also, my non philosophical mind got a chuckle out of people asserting it is impossible to know things. How do they know?
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Post by lennybusker on Jan 10, 2019 23:27:12 GMT
That's been my criticism of skepticism as well. Fine, we can't """"""""know"""""""" anything. Well, we need a word that means "to believe with justified certainty" in order for society to function, so let's just pick one and move on. As the Good Economist said, The philosophers have only interpreted the world in various ways; the point, however, is to change it.I agree, also, my non philosophical mind got a chuckle out of people asserting it is impossible to know things. How do they know? That is actually considered a valid criticism against that kind of skepticism!
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Post by Space Cowboy on Jan 10, 2019 23:27:34 GMT
It's also hilarious how obsessed with Nasa they are, despite people knowing the shape of the earth long before Nasa existed, and despite the existence of space programs in other countries, some of them competing with Nasa.
So how did people know the shape of the Earth before NASA? Stop thinking like an American. There are other countries on the planet. You live in one of them Russia was first in space anyway, not America.
We've been over that one tons of times.
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Post by Terminator Force on Jan 10, 2019 23:37:00 GMT
So how did people know the shape of the Earth before NASA? Stop thinking like an American. There are other countries on the planet. You live in one of them Russia was first in space anyway, not America.
We've been over that one tons of times.
What's the matter, can't back up your claim?
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Post by Son of Dorn on Jan 10, 2019 23:41:22 GMT
Stop thinking like an American. There are other countries on the planet. You live in one of them Russia was first in space anyway, not America.
We've been over that one tons of times.
What's the matter, can't back up your claim? Great comeback, no really. 😒
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Post by Terminator Force on Jan 10, 2019 23:45:44 GMT
What's the matter, can't back up your claim? Great comeback, no really. 😒 He made the claim and should be as easy to find as one google search.
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Post by Son of Dorn on Jan 10, 2019 23:48:40 GMT
Great comeback, no really. 😒 He made the claim and should be as easy to find as one google search. Err no, he stated a fact. If you bothered to pick up a history book, you would know that flat earth has been disproven before.
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Post by Terminator Force on Jan 10, 2019 23:58:55 GMT
He made the claim and should be as easy to find as one google search. Err no, he stated a fact. If you bothered to pick up a history book, you would know that flat earth has been disproven before. I've searched and searched for this fact and couldn't find it, perhaps you could point it to me since you know it already.
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Post by Terminator Force on Jan 11, 2019 0:14:37 GMT
Appeal to authority is not proof.
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Post by Son of Dorn on Jan 11, 2019 0:18:36 GMT
Appeal to authority is not proof.
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Post by Terminator Force on Jan 11, 2019 0:24:16 GMT
Appeal to authority is not proof. Lets see what Carl Sagan had to say about this;
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Post by Son of Dorn on Jan 11, 2019 0:27:58 GMT
Lets see what Carl Sagan had to say about this;
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