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Post by Sylvius the Mad on Jan 12, 2019 4:55:19 GMT
Show me where I'm wrong, don't just assert it. "The world is obviously and observably flat." That's where you're wrong. You appear to hold this conclusion without being able to support it at all.
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Post by Sylvius the Mad on Jan 12, 2019 5:03:34 GMT
Argument from personal incredulity. Just because you can’t, or refus to, see why you might be wrong, doesn’t make you right or any less fallacious Don't refuse that I might be wrong. Just waiting for a proper counterargument. There needs to be an argument first before it can be countered. You haven't made an argument. You say the world is "obviously and observably flat", but that's not an argument. That's as baseless an assertion as there is in those whole thread. What actual evidence do you have that the earth is flat? What experiments demonstrating that flatness have you performed (or seen)? The flat earth "evidence" videos I've watched don't offer that. Instead they spend time refuting the globe earth, as if that's relevant. But that's a false dichotomy. That approach would only make sense if there exist exactly two possible models, and there's no way to know that. This is exactly the same error made by Pascal's Wager, a popular (but flawed) argument in support of religious faith.
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Post by Sylvius the Mad on Jan 12, 2019 5:04:43 GMT
Still waiting for that counterargument. No signs of Earth curve is my argument, not up to me to prove Earth curvature. It's up to you to prove flatness, which you haven't done.
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Post by dmc1001 on Jan 12, 2019 6:25:59 GMT
Seeing as the flat earth debate was going nowhere, let's have a REAL debate. BBQ sauce vs chill sauce: which one tastes better with burgers? I really dislike BBQ sauce. Chili sauce ftw!
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Post by Space Cowboy on Jan 12, 2019 10:03:50 GMT
Seeing as the flat earth debate was going nowhere, let's have a REAL debate. BBQ sauce vs chill sauce: which one tastes better with burgers? I really dislike BBQ sauce. Chili sauce ftw! Blasphemer!
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Post by Space Cowboy on Jan 12, 2019 10:08:26 GMT
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PolyhedronMaybe the earth is one of these shapes. Would fit the evidence far better than a flat earth, and work with existing, and actual, knowledge of the universe around us. (although not as well as an oblate spheroid.) No reason to assert a flat earth when there are so many other possibilities.
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Post by Terminator Force on Jan 12, 2019 11:46:33 GMT
Show me where I'm wrong, don't just assert it. "The world is obviously and observably flat." That's where you're wrong. You appear to hold this conclusion without being able to support it at all. Don't just assert it, show me how I'm wrong.
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Post by Terminator Force on Jan 12, 2019 12:25:18 GMT
11 min clip Now Joe Rogan and Eddie Bravo are good friends, and while Eddie is a flat Earther, Joe strongly opposes it. Makes for some interesting chit chat. Full hour episode in spoiler;
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Post by Space Cowboy on Jan 12, 2019 13:28:55 GMT
"The world is obviously and observably flat." That's where you're wrong. You appear to hold this conclusion without being able to support it at all. Don't just assert it, show me how I'm wrong. OK, once again.
1. You are asserting a shape based on severely limited information. 2. You aren't taking into account other possibilities, like the polyhedron. Gives you a flat horizon and fits with other observations 3. You are dismissing actual science and evidence for no good reason, besides that it doesn't fit your preferred explanation 4. Your 'proofs' are obvious lies, and made up nonsense to hand wave obvious problems with your model. 5. You can't and won't recognize problems with your model that others point out. 6. You are obfuscating whenever anyone brings up something flat earthers haven't invented 'evidence' for yet. 7. You are committing numerous fallacies, all of which have been pointed out, but you simply assert that they are not. 8. You are projecting your behaviour on everyone else, accusing them of your own behaviour. As if it's ok when you do it, but not when others do. 9. Attempting to stack the deck, as above, with limitations on everyone elses claims, in order to bolster your own claims. 10 Your own clams are so weak, the above behaviour is the only way you can convince yourself that you are right. 11. It's an obvious recruitment tactic that many religious apologists use, accusing others of doing what they themselves are doing, in the hopes that it will muddy the water for casual viewers who may be leaning towards the apologists point of view. 12. You aren't fooling anyone.
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Post by Terminator Force on Jan 12, 2019 15:47:58 GMT
Don't just assert it, show me how I'm wrong. OK, once again.
1. You are asserting a shape based on severely limited information. 2. You aren't taking into account other possibilities, like the polyhedron. Gives you a flat horizon and fits with other observations 3. You are dismissing actual science and evidence for no good reason, besides that it doesn't fit your preferred explanation 4. Your 'proofs' are obvious lies, and made up nonsense to hand wave obvious problems with your model. 5. You can't and won't recognize problems with your model that others point out. 6. You are obfuscating whenever anyone brings up something flat earthers haven't invented 'evidence' for yet. 7. You are committing numerous fallacies, all of which have been pointed out, but you simply assert that they are not. 8. You are projecting your behaviour on everyone else, accusing them of your own behaviour. As if it's ok when you do it, but not when others do. 9. Attempting to stack the deck, as above, with limitations on everyone elses claims, in order to bolster your own claims. 10 Your own clams are so weak, the above behaviour is the only way you can convince yourself that you are right. 11. It's an obvious recruitment tactic that many religious apologists use, accusing others of doing what they themselves are doing, in the hopes that it will muddy the water for casual viewers who may be leaning towards the apologists point of view. 12. You aren't fooling anyone.
These are just more assertions.
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Post by Terminator Force on Jan 12, 2019 16:09:48 GMT
Going to show how I first came about flat Earth. Started with a long binge of YouTube videos on Star Wars The Last Jedi of December 2017, which lead to this video;
And because of that video, YouTube suggested this next video. Which became my introduction to flat Earth (never knew FE was a thing before this);
^ Now this video did nothing to convince me of flat Earth and thought it ridiculous like everyone else. But it did open the FE YouTube suggestions.
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Post by 『Sky-High Fly-Guy』 on Jan 12, 2019 16:52:26 GMT
Globe Suckers, If the Earth is a globe how can ‘planets’ between Earth and the Sun be viewed at night? I’ll wait.
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Post by Space Cowboy on Jan 12, 2019 17:16:58 GMT
OK, once again.
1. You are asserting a shape based on severely limited information. 2. You aren't taking into account other possibilities, like the polyhedron. Gives you a flat horizon and fits with other observations 3. You are dismissing actual science and evidence for no good reason, besides that it doesn't fit your preferred explanation 4. Your 'proofs' are obvious lies, and made up nonsense to hand wave obvious problems with your model. 5. You can't and won't recognize problems with your model that others point out. 6. You are obfuscating whenever anyone brings up something flat earthers haven't invented 'evidence' for yet. 7. You are committing numerous fallacies, all of which have been pointed out, but you simply assert that they are not. 8. You are projecting your behaviour on everyone else, accusing them of your own behaviour. As if it's ok when you do it, but not when others do. 9. Attempting to stack the deck, as above, with limitations on everyone elses claims, in order to bolster your own claims. 10 Your own clams are so weak, the above behaviour is the only way you can convince yourself that you are right. 11. It's an obvious recruitment tactic that many religious apologists use, accusing others of doing what they themselves are doing, in the hopes that it will muddy the water for casual viewers who may be leaning towards the apologists point of view. 12. You aren't fooling anyone.
These are just more assertions. Yes that’s a good example of your weaker non arguments
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Post by Son of Dorn on Jan 12, 2019 19:19:25 GMT
These are just more assertions. Yes that’s a good example of your weaker non arguments You had to know he was going to do that. 😉
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Post by Qui-Gon GlenN7 on Jan 12, 2019 19:37:56 GMT
Lol Eddie Bravo. Dude is a scrub! Have had beers with he and Renzo in New York years ago; not what I would call real bright. The Twister, his patented move, is a crank - in other words, it is a brute move and not real BJJ, more a catch wrestling thing.
So, that he supports FE is no surprise.
Also, TF gave himself away a few posts ago. He has been trolling all along as I have said before - Flat Earth is more "entertaining" to him than games or movies.
I spy a troll. Admit it Sinful.
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Post by Terminator Force on Jan 12, 2019 19:54:04 GMT
Globeheads, If the Earth is a globe how can ‘planets’ between Earth and the Sun be viewed at night? I’ll wait. Have got a pin on pinterest of this;
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Post by Qui-Gon GlenN7 on Jan 12, 2019 20:00:46 GMT
Globeheads, If the Earth is a globe how can ‘planets’ between Earth and the Sun be viewed at night? I’ll wait. Have got a pin on pinterest of this; Holy shit is this weaksauce. The assumption made by the meme making moron is that everything lines up. It's not linear, for fucks fucking sake. Elliptical paths, circling the sun. Angles of approach, vectors... God damnit. This shit is what really annoys me. It is simpleton level retardation, regurgitated by the OP as if it were illustrative of anything other than the ability of the manipulative to fool the stupid.
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Post by mattig89ch on Jan 12, 2019 20:14:06 GMT
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Post by Son of Dorn on Jan 12, 2019 20:21:05 GMT
Lol Eddie Bravo. Dude is a scrub! Have had beers with he and Renzo in New York years ago; not what I would call real bright. The Twister, his patented move, is a crank - in other words, it is a brute move and not real BJJ, more a catch wrestling thing. So, that he supports FE is no surprise. Also, TF gave himself away a few posts ago. He has been trolling all along as I have said before - Flat Earth is more "entertaining" to him than games or movies. I spy a troll. Admit it Sinful. Guy was easy to spot. He gave himself away when he could not answer a question without a BS response.
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Post by Terminator Force on Jan 12, 2019 20:22:45 GMT
Lol Eddie Bravo. Dude is a scrub! Have had beers with he and Renzo in New York years ago; not what I would call real bright. The Twister, his patented move, is a crank - in other words, it is a brute move and not real BJJ, more a catch wrestling thing. So, that he supports FE is no surprise. Also, TF gave himself away a few posts ago. He has been trolling all along as I have said before - Flat Earth is more "entertaining" to him than games or movies. I spy a troll. Admit it Sinful. Guy was easy to spot. He gave himself away when he could not answer a question without a BS response. Why not ask me that question again?
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Post by Son of Dorn on Jan 12, 2019 20:37:34 GMT
Guy was easy to spot. He gave himself away when he could not answer a question without a BS response. Why not ask me that question again? Here's a better idea, why don't you go and answer all the questions in this thread. WITHOUT a bullshit response.
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Post by Qui-Gon GlenN7 on Jan 12, 2019 20:44:58 GMT
Holy shit is this weaksauce. The assumption made by the meme making moron is that everything lines up. It's not linear, for fucks fucking sake. Elliptical paths, circling the sun. Angles of approach, vectors... God damnit. This shit is what really annoys me. It is simpleton level retardation, regurgitated by the OP as if it were illustrative of anything other than the ability of the manipulative to fool the stupid. Ah, so you globeheads are quick to jump on the rebuttal button when a rebuttal is available. astronomy.stackexchange.com/questions/21941/how-can-we-see-venus-at-nightBut not so quick to rebuttal missing Earth curvature. Ellipses. Also, lol. You can see Venus, and Mars, and other planets, in parts of the night. You won't see Venus at midnight though. As the World Turns.
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Post by Terminator Force on Jan 12, 2019 20:53:50 GMT
Another flat Earth debate on the Non Sequitur show this Saturday, hopefully this time it will be a little interesting. Last one was not only pretty boring, but the flat Earther admitted to being a poe (poser).
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Post by Jeremiah12LGeek on Jan 12, 2019 20:55:29 GMT
Seeing as the flat earth debate was going nowhere, let's have a REAL debate. BBQ sauce vs chill sauce: which one tastes better with burgers? It depends on the burger and the sauce, really.
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