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Post by Terminator Force on Jan 13, 2019 0:19:07 GMT
Terminator Force , since you won't answer whether or not you believe in germs, would you answer this instead: Would you agree that it is possible that the earth might be shaped in some way (morphology, size, etc) that it would appear to be flat when it's actually not? Or in a more general sense, do you believe that scientific investigation can reveal things to be true that are contrary to initial observation? Science is 100%.
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Post by lennybusker on Jan 13, 2019 0:33:39 GMT
Terminator Force , since you won't answer whether or not you believe in germs, would you answer this instead: Would you agree that it is possible that the earth might be shaped in some way (morphology, size, etc) that it would appear to be flat when it's actually not? Or in a more general sense, do you believe that scientific investigation can reveal things to be true that are contrary to initial observation? Science is 100%. Is that a yes or a no?
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Post by Terminator Force on Jan 13, 2019 0:38:56 GMT
Only yes to scientific method being 100% proof. As for what else you've asked, I see no logical reason to assume such a thing. But you're welcome to present your case to otherwise.
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Post by lennybusker on Jan 13, 2019 0:44:43 GMT
Only yes to scientific method being 100% proof. As for what else you've asked, I see no logical reason to assume such a thing. But you're welcome to present your case to otherwise. I'm not suggesting that you assume it as fact, I'm asking if you'd agree that it is true that is it possible that something can look one way but actually be another way. Namely that the earth could be round but look flat.
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Post by Terminator Force on Jan 13, 2019 1:06:48 GMT
Only yes to scientific method being 100% proof. As for what else you've asked, I see no logical reason to assume such a thing. But you're welcome to present your case to otherwise. I'm not suggesting that you assume it as fact, I'm asking if you'd agree that it is true that is it possible that something can look one way but actually be another way. Namely that the earth could be round but look flat. Go on, I'm listening.
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Post by lennybusker on Jan 13, 2019 1:43:42 GMT
I'm not suggesting that you assume it as fact, I'm asking if you'd agree that it is true that is it possible that something can look one way but actually be another way. Namely that the earth could be round but look flat. Go on, I'm listening. Jesus it's like herding cats with you. Do you agree. That it is a true fact. That it is possible that the earth is round, but looks flat? It's a yes or no question my dude.
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Post by Terminator Force on Jan 13, 2019 1:49:36 GMT
Jesus it's like herding cats with you. Do you agree. That it is a true fact. That it is possible that the earth is round, but looks flat? It's a yes or no question my dude. Well sounds beyond what I know, but sure, could be possible.
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Post by dmc1001 on Jan 13, 2019 1:53:15 GMT
Funny. When NASA shows video from space, it's fake. When I make the same claim about the videos he shows, there's no response.
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Post by Terminator Force on Jan 13, 2019 1:55:00 GMT
Just a friendly reminder, stream about some Hollywood expert to debunk flat Earthers claim that NASA shows CGI is about to start in 5 minutes.
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Post by Terminator Force on Jan 13, 2019 1:57:33 GMT
Funny. When NASA shows video from space, it's fake. When I make the same claim about the videos he shows, there's no response. What would you like for me to say?
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Post by dmc1001 on Jan 13, 2019 2:02:10 GMT
Funny. When NASA shows video from space, it's fake. When I make the same claim about the videos he shows, there's no response. What would you like for me to say? I guess it's acknowledging that your video offers to more proof than NASA videos.
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Post by Terminator Force on Jan 13, 2019 2:08:01 GMT
What would you like for me to say? I guess it's acknowledging that your video offers to more proof than NASA videos. But those are videos many of us can go out to verify. Quite different from NASA's video evidence.
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Post by dmc1001 on Jan 13, 2019 2:17:56 GMT
I guess it's acknowledging that your video offers to more proof than NASA videos. But those are videos many of us can go out to verify. Quite different from NASA's video evidence. Just like looking through a telescope...
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Post by Terminator Force on Jan 13, 2019 2:19:38 GMT
But those are videos many of us can go out to verify. Quite different from NASA's video evidence. Just like looking through a telescope... Yes, looking through a telescope is fine.
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Post by lennybusker on Jan 13, 2019 2:26:01 GMT
Jesus it's like herding cats with you. Do you agree. That it is a true fact. That it is possible that the earth is round, but looks flat? It's a yes or no question my dude. Well sounds beyond what I know, but sure, could be possible. Then isn't it highly fallacious to state that looking flat is evidence for being flat? If there's another way that it could look flat, rather than being flat, the conclusion doesn't follow, right?
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Post by Terminator Force on Jan 13, 2019 2:26:45 GMT
Just a friendly reminder, stream about some Hollywood expert to debunk flat Earthers claim that NASA shows CGI is about to start in 5 minutes. Alright, show is 26 minutes late, but it started. (Click on spoiler for link)
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Post by Terminator Force on Jan 13, 2019 2:40:49 GMT
Well sounds beyond what I know, but sure, could be possible. Then isn't it highly fallacious to state that looking flat is evidence for being flat? If there's another way that it could look flat, rather than being flat, the conclusion doesn't follow, right? Not long ago thought flat Earth seemed impossible. As a result, am much more open to other arguments. Just because the world is obviously and observable flat, doesn't mean I'm not open to be challenged.
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Post by lennybusker on Jan 13, 2019 2:52:09 GMT
Then isn't it highly fallacious to state that looking flat is evidence for being flat? If there's another way that it could look flat, rather than being flat, the conclusion doesn't follow, right? Not long ago thought flat Earth seemed impossible. As a result, am much more open to other arguments. Just because the world is obviously and observable flat, doesn't mean I'm not open to be challenged. Do you always just default to word salad when you get forced into admitting something uncomfortable?
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Post by Terminator Force on Jan 13, 2019 3:00:58 GMT
Not long ago thought flat Earth seemed impossible. As a result, am much more open to other arguments. Just because the world is obviously and observable flat, doesn't mean I'm not open to be challenged. Do you always just default to word salad when you get forced into admitting something uncomfortable? There's nothing fallacious about saying the world is obviously and observably flat because it still leaves the argument open.
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Post by lennybusker on Jan 13, 2019 14:56:38 GMT
Do you always just default to word salad when you get forced into admitting something uncomfortable? There's nothing fallacious about saying the world is obviously and observably flat because it still leaves the argument open. Well that depends on your definition of the word "is". But I notice you really like that phrase, so I won't quibble with it if you agree that "is obviously and observably flat" is synonymous with "appears flat". That is to say, it's a description of your perception of the earth and not a statement of its objective reality. I have some more questions but we need to agree on that before moving forward.
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Post by Terminator Force on Jan 13, 2019 15:12:13 GMT
There's nothing fallacious about saying the world is obviously and observably flat because it still leaves the argument open. Well that depends on your definition of the word "is". But I notice you really like that phrase, so I won't quibble with it if you agree that "is obviously and observably flat" is synonymous with "appears flat". That is to say, it's a description of your perception of the earth and not a statement of its objective reality. I have some more questions but we need to agree on that before moving forward. Agreed.
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Post by lennybusker on Jan 13, 2019 15:20:37 GMT
Well that depends on your definition of the word "is". But I notice you really like that phrase, so I won't quibble with it if you agree that "is obviously and observably flat" is synonymous with "appears flat". That is to say, it's a description of your perception of the earth and not a statement of its objective reality. I have some more questions but we need to agree on that before moving forward. Agreed. Great, now we're cookin. What sort of properties would an "is round, looks flat" (let's just abbreviate that as IRLF) Earth have?
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Post by Terminator Force on Jan 13, 2019 15:38:02 GMT
Great, now we're cookin. What sort of properties would an "is round, looks flat" (let's just abbreviate that as IRLF) Earth have? You're begging the question, not logical to start with the outcome of a sphere and work backwards. So can't agree with IRLF. First have to prove it's a sphere with the logical steps leading to it.
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Post by lennybusker on Jan 13, 2019 15:51:15 GMT
Great, now we're cookin. What sort of properties would an "is round, looks flat" (let's just abbreviate that as IRLF) Earth have? You're begging the question, not logical to start with the outcome of a sphere and work backwards. So can't agree with IRLF. First have to prove it's a sphere with the logical steps leading to it. You literally just agreed that an IRLF Earth is a possibility. I'm asking you to conduct a thought experiment. Formal proofs have nothing to do with this right now, so pointing out (incorrectly) logically fallacies is meaningless.
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Post by Terminator Force on Jan 13, 2019 15:58:20 GMT
You're begging the question, not logical to start with the outcome of a sphere and work backwards. So can't agree with IRLF. First have to prove it's a sphere with the logical steps leading to it. You literally just agreed that an IRLF Earth is a possibility. I'm asking you to conduct a thought experiment. Formal proofs have nothing to do with this right now, so pointing out (incorrectly) logically fallacies is meaningless. Alright, let us continue with this thought experiment. IRLF.
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