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Post by Terminator Force on Jan 17, 2019 9:55:29 GMT
Also how are the stars in the Southern Hemisphere different from those found in the Northern Hemisphere? If the Earth was indeed flat, wouldn't a powerful enough telescope still be able to view stars from both hemispheres at any point on the Earth? If the Earth is flat, why can't us Northerners see the Southern Cross and why can't Australians see Polaris? If Australia can't see Polaris it's because of perspective. But have heard claims that Polaris can be seen from more then 20 degrees below the equator (as far as tropic of Capricorn), which shouldn't be possible on a ball if true. ^ Timestamped to relevant point of Polaris visible bellow equator claim & reference(s). Only need to watch for one minute. And keep in mind I can't back this claim, so feel free to take it from here and do your own research.
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Post by dmc1001 on Jan 17, 2019 16:09:29 GMT
^ You actually see sun fade into the distance before it appear to set due to perspective. What perspective is this? Camera looks dead ahead. In your video the ship is moving forward. Note that this video has nothing to do with FE debate. It's just some guy filming a beautiful scene. I keep finding stuff outside the debate to bring in. All you have is FE videos. Realize that your videos have an agenda. Find some videos without an agenda and LMK what you seen.
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Post by dmc1001 on Jan 17, 2019 16:11:57 GMT
Here's another video of the sun going beneath the horizon. Again, no agenda other than taking video of a beautiful sight. Nothing to do with FE debate.
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Post by dmc1001 on Jan 17, 2019 16:15:04 GMT
Here's one more. No agenda, other than FEers overtaking the comment section of someone who is just enjoying the sun settng.
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Post by dmc1001 on Jan 17, 2019 16:17:55 GMT
One more, posted by someone who simply likes watching the sun go down. Face it, time and time again you use FE videos as "proof". I pull out stuff not meant as any sort of proof but instead enjoying the sunset. You have nothing.
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Post by lennybusker on Jan 17, 2019 16:36:04 GMT
It's a shame that TF's videos weren't shot properly with a solar filter, otherwise we'd have had a really beautiful scene.
Also there's no information about position, time of day, camera used, etc. Very poor science.
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Post by monkeylungs on Jan 17, 2019 17:08:16 GMT
So pilots, astronauts, and astrophysicists are all in on some giant conspiracy or are just brainwashed? All the people that have spent time on the ISS are just misinformed or in on the conspiracy? Seriously!?
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Post by Space Cowboy on Jan 17, 2019 17:25:03 GMT
So pilots, astronauts, and astrophysicists are all in on some giant conspiracy or are just brainwashed? All the people that have spent time on the ISS are just misinformed or in on the conspiracy? Seriously!? And NASA is apparently behind it all despite competing space agencies all agreeing with it. They have even mastered time travel since we knew the shape of the earth before nasa was dreamt up.
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Post by Terminator Force on Jan 17, 2019 17:52:00 GMT
You all can still believe the sun goes over curvature, but to deny that perspective can achieve this same visual effect is a claim that needs backing up.
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Post by Terminator Force on Jan 17, 2019 18:02:31 GMT
So pilots, astronauts, and astrophysicists are all in on some giant conspiracy or are just brainwashed? All the people that have spent time on the ISS are just misinformed or in on the conspiracy? Seriously!? Welcome to random flat Earth chit chat. Feel free to share anything flat Earth related on your mind and enjoy.
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Post by lennybusker on Jan 17, 2019 18:19:31 GMT
You all can still believe the sun goes over curvature, but to deny that perspective can achieve this same visual effect is a claim that needs backing up. Is there any evidence for the positive claim that perspective can achieve the same effect?
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Post by dmc1001 on Jan 17, 2019 19:15:32 GMT
You all can still believe the sun goes over curvature, but to deny that perspective can achieve this same visual effect is a claim that needs backing up. No, we watch it. It literally sinks beneath the horizon. Once again, when faced with the truth, you deny it. Never mind that the people who made those videos were simply enjoying the sunset and had no agenda. You have never been able to produce anything supporting FE that isn't posted by FEers. Try it. Go find the evidence. You won't even use the telescope test out of fear that you'll be proven wrong.
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Post by Terminator Force on Jan 17, 2019 19:15:38 GMT
You all can still believe the sun goes over curvature, but to deny that perspective can achieve this same visual effect is a claim that needs backing up. Is there any evidence for the positive claim that perspective can achieve the same effect? It's just the law of perspective. Everything converges with the most limited viewing angle cutting off first (why things disappear bottom up first since we're closet to ground therefore our viewing angle is most compressed from ground level to horizon at eye level).
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Post by Terminator Force on Jan 17, 2019 19:19:29 GMT
You all can still believe the sun goes over curvature, but to deny that perspective can achieve this same visual effect is a claim that needs backing up. No, we watch it. It literally sinks beneath the horizon. That's an assertion. Have to prove the ground beneath our feet is curved first to back that there is any curvature to go over. And this is getting beside the point. Was asked for an alternative to sunsets and have provided it.
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Post by dmc1001 on Jan 17, 2019 19:22:21 GMT
It's just the law of perspective. Everything converges with the most limited viewing angle cutting off first (why things disappear bottom up first since we're closet to ground therefore our viewing angle is most compressed from ground level to horizon at eye level). Funny thing here is that when you do a search for "Law of Perspective", the only thing that comes up is Flat Earthers attempting to use it to justify their beliefs. Can you provide a shred of evidence to support this alleged Law of Perspective, particularly in a way that supports your claims? (There is something along those lines, not called what you think, but which also doesn't support your claims.)
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Post by lennybusker on Jan 17, 2019 19:34:01 GMT
Is there any evidence for the positive claim that perspective can achieve the same effect? It's just the law of perspective. Everything converges with the most limited viewing angle cutting off first (why things disappear bottom up first since we're closet to ground therefore our viewing angle is most compressed from ground level to horizon at eye level). Evidence, not conjecture. Empirical observations, I mean. Surely the claim that this is why the sun appears to go below the horizon can be repeated on a scale model, yes? Or even in an adequately modeled simulation? And that's not now perspective works. Converging with a point on the horizon is not the same as being obscured by it.
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Post by Terminator Force on Jan 17, 2019 19:35:49 GMT
It's just the law of perspective. Everything converges with the most limited viewing angle cutting off first (why things disappear bottom up first since we're closet to ground therefore our viewing angle is most compressed from ground level to horizon at eye level). Funny thing here is that when you do a search for "Law of Perspective", the only thing that comes up is Flat Earthers attempting to use it to justify their beliefs. Can you provide a shred of evidence to support this alleged Law of Perspective, particularly in a way that supports your claims? (There is something along those lines, not called what you think, but which also doesn't support your claims.) It's honestly a pretty hard thing to grasp so some feedback would help.
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Post by dmc1001 on Jan 17, 2019 19:45:06 GMT
Funny thing here is that when you do a search for "Law of Perspective", the only thing that comes up is Flat Earthers attempting to use it to justify their beliefs. Can you provide a shred of evidence to support this alleged Law of Perspective, particularly in a way that supports your claims? (There is something along those lines, not called what you think, but which also doesn't support your claims.) It's honestly a pretty hard thing to grasp so some feedback would help. You're the one making the claim that the horizon is fake. It's up to you to justify it.
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Post by Terminator Force on Jan 17, 2019 19:47:26 GMT
It's just the law of perspective. Everything converges with the most limited viewing angle cutting off first (why things disappear bottom up first since we're closet to ground therefore our viewing angle is most compressed from ground level to horizon at eye level). Evidence, not conjecture. Empirical observations, I mean. Surely the claim that this is why the sun appears to go below the horizon can be repeated on a scale model, yes? Or even in an adequately modeled simulation? And that's not now perspective works. Converging with a point on the horizon is not the same as being obscured by it. A limited viewing angle can act as obstruction. This can be repeatably demonstrated by everyone via phone camera and a very flat floor (like a major chain supermarket floors since it's a safety thing).
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Post by dmc1001 on Jan 17, 2019 19:53:02 GMT
Evidence, not conjecture. Empirical observations, I mean. Surely the claim that this is why the sun appears to go below the horizon can be repeated on a scale model, yes? Or even in an adequately modeled simulation? And that's not now perspective works. Converging with a point on the horizon is not the same as being obscured by it. A limited viewing angle can act as obstruction. This can be repeatably demonstrated by everyone via phone camera and a very flat floor (like a major chain supermarket floors since it's a safety thing). More videos put out by FEers. Typical. You have absolutely nothing from a neutral source.
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Post by Terminator Force on Jan 17, 2019 19:57:10 GMT
It's honestly a pretty hard thing to grasp so some feedback would help. You're the one making the claim that the horizon is fake. It's up to you to justify it. Don't understand this horizon is fake comment, never said that. And honestly, it's better to just watch a ton of FE YouTube videos trying to explain it first.
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Post by Son of Dorn on Jan 17, 2019 19:59:38 GMT
A limited viewing angle can act as obstruction. This can be repeatably demonstrated by everyone via phone camera and a very flat floor (like a major chain supermarket floors since it's a safety thing). More videos put out by FEers. Typical. You have absolutely nothing from a neutral source. Did you honestly expect anything else from TF?
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Post by Terminator Force on Jan 17, 2019 20:00:46 GMT
A limited viewing angle can act as obstruction. This can be repeatably demonstrated by everyone via phone camera and a very flat floor (like a major chain supermarket floors since it's a safety thing). More videos put out by FEers. Typical. You have absolutely nothing from a neutral source. Just provided examples of repeatable observations anyone with a phone camera can make, so no need to believe anyone.
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Post by Terminator Force on Jan 17, 2019 20:01:26 GMT
More videos put out by FEers. Typical. You have absolutely nothing from a neutral source. Did you honestly expect anything else from TF? Again, anyone with a phone can test this.
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Post by Son of Dorn on Jan 17, 2019 20:03:59 GMT
Did you honestly expect anything else from TF? Again, anyone with a phone can test this. And anyone with a brain can read a book on history and find out that FE has been disproven before.
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