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Post by lennybusker on Jan 19, 2019 2:20:50 GMT
Well I know how much you love Youtube videos, what are your thoughts on this? Well, was already aware of the Mercator and Gall Peters projections. Aware of what? Their existence? Or the fact that they fail to depict reality? If you don't feel qualified to answer (or more accurately, you know that answering is devastating to your beliefs) do you know what other flat earthers say about map projections? I've looked but haven't been able to find any possible explanations. Not that those explanations would be correct, because the only correct explanation is that the earth is spherical, but I'm always interested in FE attempts nonetheless.
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Post by Ruliya on Jan 19, 2019 2:23:45 GMT
To pull a leaf out of your book, I'll back up my assertions as soon as you back up yours You're not very good at backing up your own assertions, sadly. Have already laid out my argument, now it's your turn to properly rebuttal them by backing up your claims. Let me first ask if you trust telescopes and en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orders_of_magnitude_(length)
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Post by Son of Dorn on Jan 19, 2019 2:27:17 GMT
Don't know why everyone is taking TF seriously. He's clearly trolling you all.
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Post by Ruliya on Jan 19, 2019 2:28:56 GMT
Don't know why everyone is taking TF seriously. He's clearly trolling you all. Oh, I know, it's more humouring him out of boredom. Who knows, maybe eventually he'll make an actual argument.
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Post by Son of Dorn on Jan 19, 2019 2:31:18 GMT
Don't know why everyone is taking TF seriously. He's clearly trolling you all. Oh, I know, it's more humouring him out of boredom. Who knows, maybe eventually he'll make an actual argument. Doubtful, he's feeding off the attention he's getting with this thread.
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Post by Terminator Force on Jan 19, 2019 2:32:37 GMT
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Post by Sifr on Jan 19, 2019 2:32:42 GMT
And how you going to go about backing any of your assertions? Like size and distance to Moon, Mars, etc. We can accurately measure the distance to the moon by bouncing lasers off of the moon's surface, something we were capable of doing even before retroreflectors were left behind by Soviet and NASA probes, as well as during the Apollo missions.
The distance is calculated using the formula, Distance = (speed of light x time taken for light to reflect) / 2.
The speed of light is 299,792,458 m/s and it takes roughly 2.5 seconds for light to make a round trip to the moon and back. The calculation therefore works out to average about 385,000 km, although the distance obvious varies depending on a variety of factors such Earth's rotation, lunar libration, orbits etc.
Still, the method has been reliably used for decades.
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Post by Ruliya on Jan 19, 2019 2:34:54 GMT
Oh, I know, it's more humouring him out of boredom. Who knows, maybe eventually he'll make an actual argument. Doubtful, he's feeding off the attention he's getting with this thread. Well, good for him I suppose xD Tho he has a sort of genuineness to him, like he wants us to believe his way of flat earth. And it's not being mean or nasty about it, so what's the harm in humouring him? I know a lot of people are saying "shut the thread it's a troll, it's stupid, why bother?" But like, as many said about the politics thread, you don't have to be here and read it if you don't want to.
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Post by Terminator Force on Jan 19, 2019 2:35:47 GMT
If these telescopes are available to general public, I see no reason not to trust them.
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Post by Ruliya on Jan 19, 2019 2:38:54 GMT
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Post by Son of Dorn on Jan 19, 2019 2:40:27 GMT
Doubtful, he's feeding off the attention he's getting with this thread. Well, good for him I suppose xD Tho he has a sort of genuineness to him, like he wants us to believe his way of flat earth. And it's not being mean or nasty about it, so what's the harm in humouring him? I know a lot of people are saying "shut the thread it's a troll, it's stupid, why bother?" But like, as many said about the politics thread, you don't have to be here and read it if you don't want to. That's the thing, I don't think he truly believes in this flat earth nonsense. But that's just a gut feeling.
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Post by Terminator Force on Jan 19, 2019 2:42:42 GMT
And how you going to go about backing any of your assertions? Like size and distance to Moon, Mars, etc. We can accurately measure the distance to the moon by bouncing lasers off of the moon's surface, something we were capable of doing even before retroreflectors were left behind by Soviet and NASA probes, as well as during the Apollo missions.
The distance is calculated using the formula, Distance = (speed of light x time taken for light to reflect) / 2.
The speed of light is 299,792,458 m/s and it takes roughly 2.5 seconds for light to make a round trip to the moon and back. The calculation therefore works out to average about 385,000 km, although the distance obvious varies depending on a variety of factors such Earth's rotation, lunar libration, orbits etc.
Still, the method has been reliably used for decades.
And how can be prove this for ourselves? Have never seen any globe camp videos performing this test, so can't be all that accessible to the public then.
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Post by Terminator Force on Jan 19, 2019 2:44:22 GMT
I'm not too sure about the magnitudes, maybe you can further clear that up for the audience and I with some context. But go on, show us what you've got.
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Post by Terminator Force on Jan 19, 2019 2:45:17 GMT
Well, good for him I suppose xD Tho he has a sort of genuineness to him, like he wants us to believe his way of flat earth. And it's not being mean or nasty about it, so what's the harm in humouring him? I know a lot of people are saying "shut the thread it's a troll, it's stupid, why bother?" But like, as many said about the politics thread, you don't have to be here and read it if you don't want to. That's the thing, I don't think he truly believes in this flat earth nonsense. But that's just a gut feeling. I'm subbed to about 200 YouTube flat Earth related channels.
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Post by monkeylungs on Jan 19, 2019 2:47:28 GMT
So pilots, astronauts, and astrophysicists are all in on some giant conspiracy or are just brainwashed? All the people that have spent time on the ISS are just misinformed or in on the conspiracy? Seriously!? Do you flat earth people really think there is a global conspiracy of this scale?
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Post by Ruliya on Jan 19, 2019 2:48:21 GMT
That's the thing, I don't think he truly believes in this flat earth nonsense. But that's just a gut feeling. I'm subbed to about 200 YouTube flat Earth related channels. There are really, at least, that many FE youtube channels?
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Post by Son of Dorn on Jan 19, 2019 2:50:24 GMT
I'm subbed to about 200 YouTube flat Earth related channels. There are really, at least, that many FE youtube channels? Bet he says, without any proof, yes.
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Post by Ruliya on Jan 19, 2019 2:50:33 GMT
I'm not too sure about the magnitudes, maybe you can further clear that up for the audience and I with some context. But go on, show us what you've got. Well you can get a microscope, readily available to buy and you can see the lower ends of the magnitude scale and you can readily buy telescopes that show the higher ends of the magnitude scale. It's not that hard of a concept to understand. I Can't explain it to you because you'll just call it an assertion. So I suggest buying a microscope and buying a telescope and doing the science yourself. The only question is, will you?
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Post by Ruliya on Jan 19, 2019 2:51:35 GMT
There are really, at least, that many FE youtube channels? Bet he says, without any proof, yes. He could screen shot his list of subbed channels, hey it'd be the first piece of real proof he's provided xD
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Post by Terminator Force on Jan 19, 2019 2:53:34 GMT
So pilots, astronauts, and astrophysicists are all in on some giant conspiracy or are just brainwashed? All the people that have spent time on the ISS are just misinformed or in on the conspiracy? Seriously!? Do you flat earth people really think there is a global conspiracy of this scale? Well until the observable repeatable evidence says otherwise, yes. This is why this flat Earth thing isn't going away. The turnover rate is pratically non-existent, why the saying "Once you go flat, you never go back" exists.
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Post by Terminator Force on Jan 19, 2019 2:54:45 GMT
I'm subbed to about 200 YouTube flat Earth related channels. There are really, at least, that many FE youtube channels? Even more and the content is too much to keep up with. It's quite the phenomena.
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Post by Sifr on Jan 19, 2019 3:01:19 GMT
And how can be prove this for ourselves? I'd imagine it'd be pretty costly to get hold of the right equipment, but any amateur astronomer can conceivably run this experiment.
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Post by Terminator Force on Jan 19, 2019 3:03:40 GMT
I'm not too sure about the magnitudes, maybe you can further clear that up for the audience and I with some context. But go on, show us what you've got. Well you can get a microscope, readily available to buy and you can see the lower ends of the magnitude scale and you can readily buy telescopes that show the higher ends of the magnitude scale. It's not that hard of a concept to understand. I Can't explain it to you because you'll just call it an assertion. So I suggest buying a microscope and buying a telescope and doing the science yourself. The only question is, will you? Well flat Earthers are already using Nikon P-900 and now P-1000 camera with 125x optical zoom and further digital zoom to prove flat Earth on a daily basis. I personally recommend R anty Flat Earth YouTube channel. Impressive 1 inch above water curvature test (this is an older P-900 footage, the newer 4k P-1000 footage he has is much more clear).
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Post by Ruliya on Jan 19, 2019 3:09:51 GMT
Well you can get a microscope, readily available to buy and you can see the lower ends of the magnitude scale and you can readily buy telescopes that show the higher ends of the magnitude scale. It's not that hard of a concept to understand. I Can't explain it to you because you'll just call it an assertion. So I suggest buying a microscope and buying a telescope and doing the science yourself. The only question is, will you? Well flat Earthers are already using Nikon P-900 and now P-1000 camera with 125x optical zoom and further digital zoom to prove flat Earth on a daily basis. I personally recommend R anty Flat Earth YouTube channel. Impressive 1 inch above water curvature test (this is an older P-900 footage, the newer 4k P-1000 footage he has is much more clear). So any youtube vid from Nasa or others you instantly dismiss, but any youtube video from a flat earther you instantly believe? Bias there my friend. I thought you said you only trusted your own eyes? What you can obviously and observable see? Coz I guarantee the Nasa tech is much more powerful and can show much better the curvature, yet you outright dismiss it. So I ask this, why instantly dismiss one source, but jump straight into the arms of another source? Why is FE youtube more credible than Nasa youtube?
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Post by Terminator Force on Jan 19, 2019 3:12:49 GMT
Well flat Earthers are already using Nikon P-900 and now P-1000 camera with 125x optical zoom and further digital zoom to prove flat Earth on a daily basis. I personally recommend R anty Flat Earth YouTube channel. Impressive 1 inch above water curvature test (this is an older P-900 footage, the newer 4k P-1000 footage he has is much more clear). So any youtube vid from Nasa or others you instantly dismiss, but any youtube video from a flat earther you instantly believe? Bias there my friend. I thought you said you only trusted your own eyes? What you can obviously and observable see? Coz I guarantee the Nasa tech is much more powerful and can show much better the curvature, yet you outright dismiss it. So I ask this, why instantly dismiss one source, but jump straight into the arms of another source? Why is FE youtube more credible than Nasa youtube? No, I check out baller camp videos too. NASA footage is not only not observable/repeatable by rest of public, but it's a appeal to authority logical fallacy. That and even non-flat Earthers don't trust the NASA footage, that's how filled with production mistakes they are.
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