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Post by Ieldra on Dec 28, 2018 18:16:12 GMT
If the game is set in the Tevinter Imperium and nearby areas, I would expect that a non-slaver love interest could possibly be an elf, even for a straight male character. If bioware is going to stick to 'set sexualities' in the upcoming title, instead of a "Everyone is a bisexual" So a non-slaver option is possible! And elves can be pretty too. ‘Everyone is bisexual’ IS set sexualities. If the character was straight if you were a guy and a lesbian if you were a girl, THEN it would be ‘playersexual’. But that’s never happened in a BioWare game before so I don’t think we need to worry about that in DA4. Can you distinguish between the two scenarios? I never knew what they intended with DA2. The problem, IMO, is not that, but that if characters are differently orientated depending on who the player character is, then any two players with different sexes or orientations aren't romancing the same character (since orientation is an integral part of a character if romance is a topic), but still the character comes across as one and the same to the community in general. I find it hard to adapt mentally to such a contradictory-on-the-surface scenario, but find "everyone is bi" utterly implausible, so of the two scenarios, I'm willing to try to adapt to "playersexual". Whether it would work or not, no idea.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 28, 2018 18:19:20 GMT
It’s not potato, potahto, though. Bisexuality is anreal thing. And it doesn’t change with the gender of the PC. Playersexuality does happen in some games. The characters go from straight to gay depending on the PC. In fact, it’s the opposite of all bisexual because it means that NO ONE is bisexual. It’s common in text based adventure games. But it’s never happened in a BioWare game. Even if you use ‘all bisexual’ (incorrectly) to mean ‘playersexual’, that still doesn’t fit DA2 because of Sebastian who is straight. So there are 4 bisexual characters and one straight character as LIs. But all that being said, I hear what you are saying. You would prefer a variety of sexualities like in ME:A or DA:I. I actually agree with you. I like there being straight, bisexual, and gay characters in the game. So even if every single character would get together with either a male or female it is still not bisexual. I thought bisexuality was about being into both men and women But enough about me being a smug smartass, I get what you are saying, it just seems like a very weird thing to me to object about because it is, in fact when you calmly and logically think about it, the same... but I get what you are saying. And excuse me for never having tried to romance Sebastian, every other romanceable companions in DA2 was 'playersexual' so I assumed Sebastian was too. But yes, like in DA:O, ME:A, and DA:I I would prefer to have characters with different sexualities. I'm not sure I understand the bolded part. A bisexual character would be interested in both men and women regardless of if the PC is a male or female. To be fair, Anders feels pretty close to playersexual, even though he's technically not. Because Karl is his ex-boyfriend regardless of if Hawke was a guy or girl, but he only explicitly says this to male Hawke. It was confirmed by the devs that Anders was bisexual from conception (even back when Gaider was writing him in DA:A), but to the average female Hawke player, he could come across as straight in their playthroughs. And, yeah, Sebastian is straight. Doesn't even have any flirt options for male Hawke (like Cullen or Aveline). He's only open to female characters. I can't see them going back to all bisexual LIs at this point. I personally prefer a variety as well, but I wouldn't be too upset if there was a game where both of the guys were bisexual. I do like having gay guys in the games though, so I will always prefer having a variety, even if it means that I'm less likely to be able to romance the guy I like better with a male character (like Alistair or Cullen). I suspect they'll do a variety again. 6 "base" LIs (one straight, one bisexual, and one gay for each gender) and then one or two "bonus" (likely straight) options as well. And some non-romance flirts/flings (like Harding). I just hope that the "base" LI's aren't race-gated. I think everyone should get a "choice", so it would suck to only have one choice if you choose the 'wrong' race. But race-gated "bonus" options (which make sense for the narrative), like Solas, are fine with me. I don't have a problem with a 'niche' romance being included.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 28, 2018 18:29:32 GMT
‘Everyone is bisexual’ IS set sexualities. If the character was straight if you were a guy and a lesbian if you were a girl, THEN it would be ‘playersexual’. But that’s never happened in a BioWare game before so I don’t think we need to worry about that in DA4. Can you distinguish between the two scenarios? I never knew what they intended with DA2. The problem, IMO, is not that, but that if characters are differently orientated depending on who the player character is, then any two players with different sexes or orientations aren't romancing the same character (since orientation is an integral part of a character if romance is a topic), but still the character comes across as one and the same to the community in general. I find it hard to adapt mentally to such a contradictory-on-the-surface scenario, but find "everyone is bi" utterly implausible, so of the two scenarios, I'm willing to try to adapt to "playersexual". Whether it would work or not, no idea. I see it as this: Bisexual Character to a male PC - "I am attracted to you because I am attracted to men and women." The Same Bisexual Character to a female PC - "I am attracted to you because I am attracted to men and women." Playersexual Character to a male PC - "I am attracted to you because you are a male and I am attracted to men." The Same Playersexual Character to a female PC - "I am attracted to you because you are a female and I am attracted to women." I've seen the latter in several game types, but they are most common in text-based adventure games in my experience. It's definitely not what happens in Bioware games because there's not a single character who 'turns' from gay to straight depending on the PC's gender. The thing that I don't understand is why four bisexuals is "utterly implausible". Either way, there are likely going to be at least four gay, lesbian, or bisexual LIs. So why is it more "plausible" for there to be one gay, one lesbian, one bisexual man, and one bisexual woman in the group instead of two bisexual men and two bisexual women? I mean, it's not like the party is a representational sample of Thedas as a whole, right? Are 1/10 of Fereldens Witches of the Wild? Are 1/10 of Fereldens Orzammar dwarves? Are 1/7 of Marchers Dalish Firsts? Nope. So I don't see why sexuality ratios need to be "plausible". But that's just me.
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Post by cankiie on Dec 28, 2018 18:29:43 GMT
So even if every single character would get together with either a male or female it is still not bisexual. I thought bisexuality was about being into both men and women But enough about me being a smug smartass, I get what you are saying, it just seems like a very weird thing to me to object about because it is, in fact when you calmly and logically think about it, the same... but I get what you are saying. And excuse me for never having tried to romance Sebastian, every other romanceable companions in DA2 was 'playersexual' so I assumed Sebastian was too. But yes, like in DA:O, ME:A, and DA:I I would prefer to have characters with different sexualities. I'm not sure I understand the bolded part. A bisexual character would be interested in both men and women regardless of if the PC is a male or female. To be fair, Anders feels pretty close to playersexual, even though he's technically not. Because Karl is his ex-boyfriend regardless of if Hawke was a guy or girl, but he only explicitly says this to male Hawke. It was confirmed by the devs that Anders was bisexual from conception (even back when Gaider was writing him in DA:A), but to the average female Hawke player, he could come across as straight in their playthroughs. And, yeah, Sebastian is straight. Doesn't even have any flirt options for male Hawke (like Cullen or Aveline). He's only open to female characters. I can't see them going back to all bisexual LIs at this point. I personally prefer a variety as well, but I wouldn't be too upset if there was a game where both of the guys were bisexual. I do like having gay guys in the games though, so I will always prefer having a variety, even if it means that I'm less likely to be able to romance the guy I like better with a male character (like Alistair or Cullen). I suspect they'll do a variety again. 6 "base" LIs (one straight, one bisexual, and one gay for each gender) and then one or two "bonus" (likely straight) options as well. And some non-romance flirts/flings (like Harding). I just hope that the "base" LI's aren't race-gated. I think everyone should get a "choice", so it would suck to only have one choice if you choose the 'wrong' race. But race-gated "bonus" options (which make sense for the narrative), like Solas, are fine with me. I don't have a problem with a 'niche' romance being included. A playersexual character is interested in the player character regardless of the player character's gender, therefor the playersexual character is, technically, bisexual.But I get the idea behind playersexuality, because the characters could also technically be straight or gay if the player decided NOT to romance them. Isabella is straight up bisexual, we already know that from DA:O Fenris, however, can be straight if you do not romance him as a male Hawke, or gay if you do romance him as a male Hawke, hence the term 'playersexuality' Because of my bolded statement though, I just decided to take a jab and say it is kinda weird to object so hard to "all are bisexual" statements. I don't care much for having a greater amount of choice in regards to romance options. But I would not mind if we could get the 'sexy bitch' options. I love that term and I did not even come up with it myself! I did not like the looks of Cassandra or Josephine in DA:I Bioware are capable of making fairly beautiful looking women though, even in DA:I such as Morrigan and Leliana.
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Post by KingDarious BBB on Dec 28, 2018 18:30:02 GMT
Cassandra and Josephine are far prettier than Triss or Yennefer. That's a hot take I've never seen before. I disagree but you are entitled to your opinion.
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Post by cankiie on Dec 28, 2018 18:39:11 GMT
Cassandra and Josephine are far prettier than Triss or Yennefer. That's a hot take I've never seen before. I disagree but you are entitled to your opinion. Beauty is a very subjective thing, indeed. But I also assumed that the more common opinion is that Triss and Yennefer from The Witcher are by far more beautiful. Which is why I earlier on in the thread advocated that why not just have straight female LI's that are such "sexy bitches" If you are going to make a romance option for a straight male character anyway, then you might as well cater to the "male fantasy"
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Post by Deleted on Dec 28, 2018 18:39:54 GMT
I'm not sure I understand the bolded part. A bisexual character would be interested in both men and women regardless of if the PC is a male or female. To be fair, Anders feels pretty close to playersexual, even though he's technically not. Because Karl is his ex-boyfriend regardless of if Hawke was a guy or girl, but he only explicitly says this to male Hawke. It was confirmed by the devs that Anders was bisexual from conception (even back when Gaider was writing him in DA:A), but to the average female Hawke player, he could come across as straight in their playthroughs. And, yeah, Sebastian is straight. Doesn't even have any flirt options for male Hawke (like Cullen or Aveline). He's only open to female characters. I can't see them going back to all bisexual LIs at this point. I personally prefer a variety as well, but I wouldn't be too upset if there was a game where both of the guys were bisexual. I do like having gay guys in the games though, so I will always prefer having a variety, even if it means that I'm less likely to be able to romance the guy I like better with a male character (like Alistair or Cullen). I suspect they'll do a variety again. 6 "base" LIs (one straight, one bisexual, and one gay for each gender) and then one or two "bonus" (likely straight) options as well. And some non-romance flirts/flings (like Harding). I just hope that the "base" LI's aren't race-gated. I think everyone should get a "choice", so it would suck to only have one choice if you choose the 'wrong' race. But race-gated "bonus" options (which make sense for the narrative), like Solas, are fine with me. I don't have a problem with a 'niche' romance being included. A playersexual character is interested in the player character regardless of the player character's gender, therefor the playersexual character is, technically, bisexual.But I get the idea behind playersexuality, because the characters could also technically be straight or gay if the player decided NOT to romance them. Isabella is straight up bisexual, we already know that from DA:O Fenris, however, can be straight if you do not romance him as a male Hawke, or gay if you do romance him as a male Hawke, hence the term 'playersexuality' Because of my bolded statement though, I just decided to take a jab and say it is kinda weird to object so hard to "all are bisexual" statements. I don't care much for having a greater amount of choice in regards to romance options. But I would not mind if we could get the 'sexy bitch' options. I love that term and I did not even come up with it myself! I did not like the looks of Cassandra or Josephine in DA:I Bioware are capable of making fairly beautiful looking women though, even in DA:I such as Morrigan and Leliana. Just to point out: Fenris is not playersexual. He will flirt with Hawke but still get with Isabela if you are a male and don't romance either of them. And Anders is canonically bisexual (flirts with lots of ladies in DA:A and has an ex-boyfriend in DA2). As you stated, Isabela is very vocal about her attractions to both men and women. Sebastian is straight, not bisexual. The only DA2 romance option who doesn't talk about her preferences at all is Merrill. So she's the only one who could possibly be playersexual.
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Post by cankiie on Dec 28, 2018 18:41:18 GMT
A playersexual character is interested in the player character regardless of the player character's gender, therefor the playersexual character is, technically, bisexual.But I get the idea behind playersexuality, because the characters could also technically be straight or gay if the player decided NOT to romance them. Isabella is straight up bisexual, we already know that from DA:O Fenris, however, can be straight if you do not romance him as a male Hawke, or gay if you do romance him as a male Hawke, hence the term 'playersexuality' Because of my bolded statement though, I just decided to take a jab and say it is kinda weird to object so hard to "all are bisexual" statements. I don't care much for having a greater amount of choice in regards to romance options. But I would not mind if we could get the 'sexy bitch' options. I love that term and I did not even come up with it myself! I did not like the looks of Cassandra or Josephine in DA:I Bioware are capable of making fairly beautiful looking women though, even in DA:I such as Morrigan and Leliana. Just to point out: Fenris is not playersexual. He will get with Isabela if you are a male and don't romance either of them. And Anders is canonically bisexual (flirts with lots of ladies in DA:A and has an ex-boyfriend in DA2). As you stated, Isabela is very vocal about her attractions to both men and women. Sebastian is straight, not bisexual. The only DA2 romance option who doesn't talk about her preferences at all is Merrill. So she's the only one who could possibly be playersexual. You can romance Fenris as a male Hawke. Therefor, he is either bisexual or playersexual. In this case, I would assume playersexual... much like Merill.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 28, 2018 18:48:31 GMT
Just to point out: Fenris is not playersexual. He will get with Isabela if you are a male and don't romance either of them. And Anders is canonically bisexual (flirts with lots of ladies in DA:A and has an ex-boyfriend in DA2). As you stated, Isabela is very vocal about her attractions to both men and women. Sebastian is straight, not bisexual. The only DA2 romance option who doesn't talk about her preferences at all is Merrill. So she's the only one who could possibly be playersexual. You can romance Fenris as a male Hawke. Therefor, he is either bisexual or playersexual. In this case, I would assume playersexual... much like Merill. Why? There are confirmed bisexuals in the DA games. There are not confirmed "playersexuals" in the DA games. So when presented with someone who could be either, why would you assume that they are playersexual? What makes you think that he's bisexual if you are a male and straight if you are a female instead of just bisexual all the time? I'm curious as to why you choose to interpret it this way given that there the devs have stated that they are bisexual?
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Post by phoray on Dec 28, 2018 18:52:41 GMT
Considering the way sexuality has been presented in Thedas as "bang whoever you like, but for the most part babies still have to happen" I do not find it implausible for there to be 4 bisexuals in a group in Thedas. I saw them as more pansexual, actually, unless I'm misinterpreting what Pan means.
Organized by what I think is the percentage of the population in Thedas: 1. Biological default of het because babies are needed. Although obviously I recognize homosexuals want children too, so arrangements are made, but ya. 2. Pansexuals- my heart leads my loins OR "My loins don't care, I'm hypersexual and want to meet all sorts of lovely loins" 3. Homosexuals have to be strongly in that spectrum to voice that they are in neither of the above groups.
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Post by cankiie on Dec 28, 2018 18:53:40 GMT
You can romance Fenris as a male Hawke. Therefor, he is either bisexual or playersexual. In this case, I would assume playersexual... much like Merill. Why? There are confirmed bisexuals in the DA games. There are not confirmed "playersexuals" in the DA games. So when presented with someone who could be either, why would you assume that they are playersexual? What makes you think that he's bisexual if you are a male and straight if you are a female instead of just bisexual all the time? I'm curious as to why you choose to interpret it this way given that there the devs have stated that they are bisexual? I think... you are very confused? So, it is strongly implied that Fenris is getting it on with Isabella if you, with your player character, does not romance him. But Fenris is NOT getting it on with Isabella if you romance him, and you can romance him as either a female or a male Hawke. But we assume that Fenris might be straight, he could be bisexual, sure, because he gets together with a woman if you with your player character does not get together with him. But you CAN romance him as a male Hawke as well as a female. So Fenris is either a bisexual or a "playersexual" character in this case. Are you intetnionally trying to confuse me right now or something? Rather, you tell me. Fenris can be romanced by a male and a female Hawke, this is not a what if scenario by the way, Fenris CAN in fact and reality, be romanced by both a male and female Hawke. What is Fenris then? Is he bisexual or is he playersexual? What are you trying to tell me?
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Post by phoray on Dec 28, 2018 18:58:35 GMT
I think that Fenris is a pan/demi sexual who will only ever get with anyone he's been around with for many years. I think he only gets with Isabella because she's been advertising for years that she's interested and he finally trusts her because he's super demi. and that he doesn't care about gender (pan).
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Post by cankiie on Dec 28, 2018 19:01:08 GMT
Considering the way sexuality has been presented in Thedas as "bang whoever you like, but for the most part babies still have to happen" I do not find it implausible for there to be 4 bisexuals in a group in Thedas. I saw them as more pansexual, actually, unless I'm misinterpreting what Pan means. Organized by what I think is the percentage of the population in Thedas: 1. Biological default of het because babies are needed. Although obviously I recognize homosexuals want children too, so arrangements are made, but ya. 2. Pansexuals- my heart leads my loins OR "My loins don't care, I'm hypersexual and want to meet all sorts of lovely loins" 3. Homosexuals have to be strongly in that spectrum to voice that they are in neither of the above groups. I'd say you are pretty much spot on with what pansexual means. But for simplicity sake we could probably just stick to Heterosexuality Bisexuality Homosexuality Pansexuality is basically just bisexuality with more flair in it's description. I know many might disagree with that, but if someone is a bisexual and insists on being called a bisexual while maintaining that their primary objective is not to look for gender in their attraction but personality, are we then going to insist that they are pansexual? A bisexual in extension would not care for your gender overall because they are into both. So at the end of the day as a bisexual the only thing that really determines what attracts you to a person is their looks and personality, personality also playing some kind of part in how you look. But I think I am hijacking the thread with sexuality discussions.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 28, 2018 19:02:25 GMT
Why? There are confirmed bisexuals in the DA games. There are not confirmed "playersexuals" in the DA games. So when presented with someone who could be either, why would you assume that they are playersexual? What makes you think that he's bisexual if you are a male and straight if you are a female instead of just bisexual all the time? I'm curious as to why you choose to interpret it this way given that there the devs have stated that they are bisexual? I think... you are very confused? So, it is strongly implied that Fenris is getting it on with Isabella if you, with your player character, does not romance him. But Fenris is NOT getting it on with Isabella if you romance him, and you can romance him as either a female or a male Hawke. But we assume that Fenris might be straight, he could be bisexual, sure, because he gets together with a woman if you with your player character does not get together with him. But you CAN romance him as a male Hawke as well as a female. So Fenris is either a bisexual or a "playersexual" character in this case. Are you intetnionally trying to confuse me right now or something? Rather, you tell me. Fenris can be romanced by a male and a female Hawke, this is not a what if scenario by the way, Fenris CAN in fact and reality, be romanced by both a male and female Hawke. What is Fenris then? Is he bisexual or is he playersexual? What are you trying to tell me? I'm genuinely not trying to confuse you. I'm trying to understand your rationale, because I find it confusing. Bisexual - attracted to both men and women Playersexual - changes sexuality to be attracted ONLY to the gender that the PC is (because otherwise, they'd be bisexual) We know that there are bisexuals in the DA setting. We have never seen nor has it been confirmed that there are characters who change their sexuality depending on the PCs gender. So when presented with a character like Fenris or Merrill who can be romanced by either male or female PCs, the logical assumption is that they are bisexual, like all of the other bisexual characters. Not "playersexual", which would be something that we've not seen anywhere else in the DA setting. It feels like an extra step of mental looping to make that happen. You have to literally create a new category for these two characters for your rationale to work out instead of putting them into the category that we already know exists. Plus, remember that you started this with "All of the DA2 romance options were playersexual." Now you are saying, "One of the DA2 romance options is straight, two are bisexual, and two are playersexual." Just in this conversation, your opinion has changed just a bit.
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Post by Davrin's boobs on Dec 28, 2018 19:03:17 GMT
Having a group of people of heterosexual majority are so unrealistic because that's not what I experience in real life Seriously this joke of all bi route is unrealistic needs to stop, it's almost 2019 and biphobic as fuck.
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Post by KingDarious BBB on Dec 28, 2018 19:10:09 GMT
Isn't playersexual more pansexual than bisexual?
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Post by arvaarad on Dec 28, 2018 19:13:09 GMT
I’d only romance bi/pan LIs if they get free confusion grenades. When they throw them, all creatures in the blast zone simultaneously yell “are you sure you aren’t just attracted to men???” and start attacking themselves.
Perhaps it’s unbalanced to give an extra grenade based on sexuality, but I feel it’s much more realistic this way.
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Post by cankiie on Dec 28, 2018 19:13:18 GMT
I think... you are very confused? So, it is strongly implied that Fenris is getting it on with Isabella if you, with your player character, does not romance him. But Fenris is NOT getting it on with Isabella if you romance him, and you can romance him as either a female or a male Hawke. But we assume that Fenris might be straight, he could be bisexual, sure, because he gets together with a woman if you with your player character does not get together with him. But you CAN romance him as a male Hawke as well as a female. So Fenris is either a bisexual or a "playersexual" character in this case. Are you intetnionally trying to confuse me right now or something? Rather, you tell me. Fenris can be romanced by a male and a female Hawke, this is not a what if scenario by the way, Fenris CAN in fact and reality, be romanced by both a male and female Hawke. What is Fenris then? Is he bisexual or is he playersexual? What are you trying to tell me? I'm genuinely not trying to confuse you. I'm trying to understand your rationale, because I find it confusing. Bisexual - attracted to both men and women Playersexual - changes sexuality to be attracted ONLY to the gender that the PC is (because otherwise, they'd be bisexual) We know that there are bisexuals in the DA setting. We have never seen nor has it been confirmed that there are characters who change their sexuality depending on the PCs gender. So when presented with a character like Fenris or Merrill who can be romanced by either male or female PCs, the logical assumption is that they are bisexual, like all of the other bisexual characters. Not "playersexual", which would be something that we've not seen anywhere else in the DA setting. It feels like an extra step of mental looping to make that happen. You have to literally create a new category for these two characters for your rationale to work out instead of putting them into the category that we already know exists. Plus, remember that you started this with "All of the DA2 romance options were playersexual." Now you are saying, "One of the DA2 romance options is straight, two are bisexual, and two are playersexual." Just in this conversation, your opinion has changed just a bit. Alright, you are not trying to confuse me so you must be extremely confused, for some reason I even cut it into simple pieces. I started by saying that all DA2 romanceables are bisexual. You came in, told me this is not true (and that everyone is bisexual is a 'set sexuality') because Sebastian is bisexual and you made a point of playersexuality existing. Which seems to be irrelevant to have pointed out right now, because appearantly you now say that playersexuality does not exist in DA games and everyone except Sebastian is a bisexual in DA2 despite that having "been my point" in the first place (Except I also said Sebastian is bisexual in extension but yes that is a goof) This whole mess is just the two of us talking over each other for whatever reason.
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Post by cankiie on Dec 28, 2018 19:15:02 GMT
Having a group of people of heterosexual majority are so unrealistic because that's not what I experience in real life Seriously this joke of all bi route is unrealistic needs to stop, it's almost 2019 and biphobic as fuck. Have anyone actually claimed it is unrealistic in recent posts?
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Post by Ieldra on Dec 28, 2018 19:17:50 GMT
Cassandra and Josephine are far prettier than Triss or Yennefer. That's a hot take I've never seen before. I disagree but you are entitled to your opinion. Eh...not if they're as wrong as here
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Post by boxofscreaming on Dec 28, 2018 19:19:45 GMT
I think in a game set in a pre-modern society, it would be unrealistic to expect most love interests to oppose slavery, especially if they come from a country where it's legal. I'd argue many Dragon Age love interests could be considered to at least tacitly accept slavery, since no one ever spoke out against the slavery in Orlais (established to exist in the Codex). Really, It's a world without electricity, indoor plumbing or mass media, there's no concept of human rights so arguably most love interests should have attitudes we would find backwards. Living in a state that legalizes slavery does not mean the person tacitly accepts slavery weather the world takes place in the past or modern times. Not necessarily, but you can expect most people living in a society to broadly accept its general values (it never occurred to Dorian anyone might object to slavery and he's a nice guy!) and many companions in Dragon Age either serve the establishment in some way or are a part of it themselves. As the Codex says, every nation in Thedas sells slaves even if not all of them officially have slavery within their borders.
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Post by Ieldra on Dec 28, 2018 19:22:29 GMT
Seriously this joke of all bi route is unrealistic needs to stop, it's almost 2019 and biphobic as fuck. Some random group you run into all being bi is extremely unusual unless the group is preselected (which is possibly why you experience things differently). Which in a plot like your typical Bioware game, is definitely not the case. It's not something-phobic (really, I'm getting rather tired of those terms used to justify the demand for an actual privilege), it's a matter of world consistency. Damn it.
Edit: You can try to establish beforehand that things are different in *this* fictional world, then it would no longer be implausible, but is that really desirable? It would turn this topic into an aspect of worldbuilding.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 28, 2018 19:24:46 GMT
I'm genuinely not trying to confuse you. I'm trying to understand your rationale, because I find it confusing. Bisexual - attracted to both men and women Playersexual - changes sexuality to be attracted ONLY to the gender that the PC is (because otherwise, they'd be bisexual) We know that there are bisexuals in the DA setting. We have never seen nor has it been confirmed that there are characters who change their sexuality depending on the PCs gender. So when presented with a character like Fenris or Merrill who can be romanced by either male or female PCs, the logical assumption is that they are bisexual, like all of the other bisexual characters. Not "playersexual", which would be something that we've not seen anywhere else in the DA setting. It feels like an extra step of mental looping to make that happen. You have to literally create a new category for these two characters for your rationale to work out instead of putting them into the category that we already know exists. Plus, remember that you started this with "All of the DA2 romance options were playersexual." Now you are saying, "One of the DA2 romance options is straight, two are bisexual, and two are playersexual." Just in this conversation, your opinion has changed just a bit. Alright, you are not trying to confuse me so you must be extremely confused, for some reason I even cut it into simple pieces. I started by saying that all DA2 romanceables are bisexual. You came in, told me this is not true (and that everyone is bisexual is a 'set sexuality') because Sebastian is bisexual and you made a point of playersexuality existing. Which seems to be irrelevant to have pointed out right now, because appearantly you now say that playersexuality does not exist in DA games and everyone except Sebastian is a bisexual in DA2 despite that having "been my point" in the first place (Except I also said Sebastian is bisexual in extension but yes that is a goof) This whole mess is just the two of us talking over each other for whatever reason. Well I'm definitely not confused about what I think since I've been making this same argument since DA2 came out. But it seems like it might have been a misunderstanding between us. Your first post this morning was "set sexuality instead of all bisexual". This implies that the bisexual characters in DA2 don't have set sexualities (i.e. that they are playersexual). I pointed out that there has never been a playersexual character in the DA games. YOU then stated, in regard to playersexuality, that "It happened in DA2". You then unequivocally state that Fenris is playersexual in your opinion. But now it seems like maybe we both DO agree that none of the character in DA have been playersexual. The LIs in DA2 were either straight or bisexual (not playersexual). And that we both want to see a variety of sexualities in DA4. So maybe we just talked circles around each other and ended up in the same place?
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Post by cankiie on Dec 28, 2018 19:25:28 GMT
Seriously this joke of all bi route is unrealistic needs to stop, it's almost 2019 and biphobic as fuck. Some random group you run into all being bi is extremely unusual unless the group is preselected (which is possibly why you experience things differently). Which in a plot like your typical Bioware game, is definitely not the case. It's not something-phobic (really, I'm getting rather tired of those terms used to justify the demand for an actual privilege), it's a matter of world consistency. Damn it.
For some reason though, I could kinda imagine Antiva and Orlais having heterosexuality as the minority sexuality and bisexuality (or pansexuality if you will) as the majority. That is, of course, only based on the types of characters you meet that are from these places Sue me
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Post by Catilina on Dec 28, 2018 19:28:44 GMT
(About the rationality of 4 bisexuals/pansexuals in one group: in Thedas, the mages' percentage in the population is ~1-2%. But we can have 3 mages in our little group. This is more believable? I just say.)
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