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Post by Andraste_Reborn on Jan 3, 2019 23:24:42 GMT
I'm following Greedfall with interest and will be interested to see what the devs do in the romance space now that they have romances for all gender combinations AND gender selection for the protagonist. The other game where I'm awaiting developments is The Waylanders - we know there will be romances, but no news beyond that as far as I've heard about how many or what kind.
If I don't end up playing either of those two, the next time I play a romance in a new RPG is likely to be DA4 at this point. (Cyberpunk is off the table for me because it's in first person. As is The Outer Worlds, for that matter, not that it has any romances in it.)
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Post by vertigomez on Jan 3, 2019 23:27:00 GMT
I'll never not be baffled by this. Who looks at a romance - which, by definition, ought to invoke some level of feels - and says, "Nope, too sappy for the men!! We can keep that line/hug/affection in for the women tho." I don't get it either. They cut the hand holding and cheek cupping from Kaidan's romance, and I absolutely don't understand, why they'd do that. At this point I'd rather it was because of budget cuts and not someone finding men showing men affection off-looking. At least DA seems to be overall a bit better about this..? Fenris does the cheek cupping thing, I'm pretty sure Bull does too in his "kadan" conversation, and iirc Dorian's kiss animation has him holding hands with the Inquisitor (that might be flycam tho, I swear I've seen a screenshot).
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Post by Rouccoco on Jan 3, 2019 23:35:33 GMT
Aren't these same people now freaking out about Fallout 76 glitches? Maybe the tide has changed. I think that without any story or NPCs people are just now noticing how buggy it all is. In all of those videos complaining about 76 I haven't really seen anything worse than in Skyrim or Fallout 4.
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Post by cankiie on Jan 3, 2019 23:37:30 GMT
They aren't shady (again as I said, it's poor wording on my part born of a desire to be succint) but they aren't the kind of characters that Alistair, Cullen etc are. I happen to really like Dorian. Sera I can't stand for the life of me, but that's very little to do with her robin-hood ness. Because, if we had actual Robin Hood in the game, he would not be anywhere near as annoying and certainly wouldn't be the kind of person who murders someone while his superior is trying to negotiate with them. I get it, Harmond is an ass! But fuck you Sera, that wasn't your call. And don't fucking threaten me with a loaded bow for drinking out of the well of sorrows, my Inky has no reason to trust Morrigan. Sera did not kill Harmond in my playthrough She was quite happy to see him be humiliated and instead forced to work for the Inquisition. As for her threatening you... eh, I can understand her. I really hope you don't see it as an impossible demand to ask BW to please recognise that non-straight characters can be the same kinds of characters Cassandra et al are. Your argument here seems to be it's does a disservice to the characters and their writers to group them along personality lines. Yes, I get they are nuanced. I am fully aware that none of the characters are the same person, but are you really telling me you can't see that certain traits have somehow become more aligned with one sexuality over the other? You are right, I can't see that. You mentioned Blackwall, but the guy killed a whole family, children included and then ran away from his crime to the point of taking up a false name. Yet he is "KISA" material. Sure his storyarch involves him turning it around, working towards becoming a good man and all that jazz. You mentioned Sebastian who is a self-rightous ass, and in DA:I he serve no other purpose than "invade! invade! INVADE!" Cullen had his bad moments too but later on became a better man, he wanted to kill all mages back in Origins, he had a part in the action in Kirkwall although ended up standing against Meredith. Yet. Somehow Dorian is a "terrible person", I don't even know if you could call him or Sera promiscuous. He is not shy but that seems to be about it. What I see is an attempt to throw a certain, preferred label at character not really obtainable to somehow suit a narrative that a certain sexuality is not "properly catered to." Anywho... I expect we won't get anywhere with this
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Post by Andraste_Reborn on Jan 3, 2019 23:38:21 GMT
And actually, what's worse is the chaste/non-chaste divide. Alistair, Cullen, Cassandra, Sebastian are either blushing virgins or near enough Er, no, Sebastian reportedly slept with half the women in Starkhaven before he took his vow of celibacy.
(I'm not disputing that there is an obvious and bad split when it comes to the promiscuous vs. chaste love interests, just noting that Sebastian belongs in the 'used to whore around but is now chaste' category with Blackwall, not the 'blushing virgin' category with Alistair and Cullen.)
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Post by Rouccoco on Jan 3, 2019 23:41:28 GMT
27 Apr 2017 at 03:12 Tekehu's booty said 11 Jan 2017 at 06:04 vertigomez said 24 Mar 2018 at 01:55 phoray said
Um, is everyone seeing this, or am I the only one getting those bizarre dates on quotes?
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Post by cankiie on Jan 3, 2019 23:44:02 GMT
27 Apr 2017 at 03:12 Tekehu's booty said 11 Jan 2017 at 06:04 vertigomez said 24 Mar 2018 at 01:55 phoray said Um, is everyone seeing this, or am I the only one getting those bizarre dates on quotes? Time travellers... it happens.
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Post by Rouccoco on Jan 3, 2019 23:44:52 GMT
At least DA seems to be overall a bit better about this..? Fenris does the cheek cupping thing, I'm pretty sure Bull does too in his "kadan" conversation, and iirc Dorian's kiss animation has him holding hands with the Inquisitor (that might be flycam tho, I swear I've seen a screenshot). Anders does too. Dorian's was in flycam, I think. People were confused, why'd they do it so accurately and not show it. I mean, whether the DA team has been a lot better for LGBT players than either of the ME teams is not even a serious question at this point
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Post by Kymira on Jan 3, 2019 23:45:48 GMT
27 Apr 2017 at 03:12 Tekehu's booty said Haha this one made me laugh. And nah, it's not just you, I'm getting those bizarre dates too. Go home BSN you're drunk.
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Post by phoray on Jan 3, 2019 23:46:13 GMT
27 Apr 2017 at 03:12 Tekehu's booty said 11 Jan 2017 at 06:04 vertigomez said 24 Mar 2018 at 01:55 phoray said Um, is everyone seeing this, or am I the only one getting those bizarre dates on quotes? super weird. regack and SofaJockey
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Post by vertigomez on Jan 3, 2019 23:48:02 GMT
27 Apr 2017 at 03:12 Tekehu's booty said 11 Jan 2017 at 06:04 vertigomez said 24 Mar 2018 at 01:55 phoray said Um, is everyone seeing this, or am I the only one getting those bizarre dates on quotes? LOL. I don't know what's going on there, mine seems to be fine.
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Post by jjdxb on Jan 3, 2019 23:53:55 GMT
And actually, what's worse is the chaste/non-chaste divide. Alistair, Cullen, Cassandra, Sebastian are either blushing virgins or near enough Er, no, Sebastian reportedly slept with half the women in Starkhaven before he took his vow of celibacy.
(I'm not disputing that there is an obvious and bad split when it comes to the promiscuous vs. chaste love interests, just noting that Sebastian belongs in the 'used to whore around but is now chaste' category with Blackwall, not the 'blushing virgin' category with Alistair and Cullen.)
Whoops, my mistake. I completely forgot he existed before I wrote my original post XD
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Post by Davrin's boobs on Jan 3, 2019 23:59:44 GMT
by recent news all of you filthy people that romanced Garrus, Jaal, Iron Bull are animal abusers
I'm calling the police
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Post by Davrin's boobs on Jan 4, 2019 0:02:34 GMT
Now seriously I love you all my monster lovers, we are big damn good family
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Post by dhalion on Jan 4, 2019 0:08:56 GMT
by recent news all of you filthy people that romanced Garrus, Jaal, Iron Bull are animal abusers
I'm calling the police Donโt forget the Fenris romancers man, they romanced a twink!
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Post by Davrin's boobs on Jan 4, 2019 0:12:50 GMT
by recent news all of you filthy people that romanced Garrus, Jaal, Iron Bull are animal abusers
I'm calling the police Donโt forget the Fenris romancers man, they romanced a twink! we are going to hell as the filthy gays we are I hope I can get some fat demon dick in the evenings though, just in case they dont put movies to watch.
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Post by Rouccoco on Jan 4, 2019 0:13:00 GMT
Donโt forget the Fenris romancers man, they romanced a twink! Call the police! No point in hiding, straight people know best, what that word means!
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Post by Dirk on Jan 4, 2019 0:13:24 GMT
also forgot to say this: Welcome back caladrius and dhalion . I am very happy to see you two return here!
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Post by phoray on Jan 4, 2019 0:15:29 GMT
I don't understand the turn of this conversation. \
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Post by Son of Dorn on Jan 4, 2019 0:21:04 GMT
I don't understand the turn of this conversation. \ You and me both. Though if they are talking about banging male demons then I say let us straight guys get to bang hot demon ladies then! ๐๐ฅ๐
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Post by witchcocktor on Jan 4, 2019 0:24:06 GMT
I don't understand the turn of this conversation. \ I said a gay werewolf romance could be interpreted as problematic and make negative implications, because I was told a nonhuman gay KISA would have negative implications, and now ppl be all passive aggressive. It's cool though, gotta reap what I sow.
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Post by vertigomez on Jan 4, 2019 0:24:11 GMT
I feel so fortunate that Sera exists - hers was the first f/f romance that really hit me in the feels (I didn't play Isabela's until later and by then I was attached to Nick Boulton's Hawke, and I liked Leliana's romance but I didn't play it until DAI came out and I wasn't overwhelmed with The Feelsโข, just thought it was kinda cute). I like Merrill but can't deal with Isabela's disappointment and unrequited love. ๐ญ And I think Josephine is gorgeous but her romance doesn't do much for me (also Sera exists so she has no chance). So I feel like even if DA4's f/f options tank with me, I'll still be happy. ๐ just kidding pls give me calperniaI like to think the options will be varied enough in DA4 that most people will walk away happy. Lots of straight guys wanted no-nonsense warrior woman Aveline, or someone "normal and nice" like Bethany, and they got Cassandra and Josephine, who are very similar to those characters and to each other (both of them being non-mage human Andrastian women from noble families), whose biggest difference is being a tomboy (with a romantic streak) vs. a beruffled girly-girl (with a romantic streak). Perhaps in the next game they'll get someone from an entirely different culture, another Dalish elf like Merrill (but less of a pariah), a Tevinter, a Tal-Vashoth. Curious, are there any straight guys here who'd want to pursue a dwarf or qunari? I know there are some on the forums, just don't know if they're lurking in this thread. Straight women have probably had the most variety in general... almost every race, additional "romance arcs" with Gorim, Tamlen, and Cullen in DAO, lots of warriors, a couple of mages... aside from a "rogueish rogue" human (as opposed to pious Sebastian or elven Zevran). And there were the race-locked romances in DAI. Hmmm... any women that romance male characters want to chime in on this? Anything you're hoping for in the next game? And the mlm fellas have lots of different thoughts about their ideal LIs, this thread is proof of that. Hopefully there are AT LEAST two options for everybody (as has been the case in DA2 and DAI, but only true for m/f and f/m in DAO), plus maybe some Harding-esque flirtationships or something if neither of the options are to your liking. (I remember some people were VERY unhappy with DAI's f/f options, namely because Josie's an NPC and her romance doesn't feature a sex scene, and they just disliked Sera in general, and there have been similar complaints about the m/f and m/m options....) At the end of the day, you can't please everybody, but variety and being mindful of your tropes goes a long way. ๐
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Post by phoray on Jan 4, 2019 0:24:22 GMT
I don't understand the turn of this conversation. \ You and me both. Though if they are talking about banging male demons then I say let us straight guys get to bang hot demon ladies then! ๐๐ฅ๐ I'm all for a Desire Demon situation where they offer a daliance and we get to tell them what our sexual preference is. They then morph into male or female and there is a Fade to Black. I mean, they should have known with their telepathic powers, but Desire Demons who graduate with a C are just the same as the ones who graduated with an A: Desire Demons.
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Post by cankiie on Jan 4, 2019 0:24:39 GMT
I don't understand the turn of this conversation. \ You and me both. Though if they are talking about banging male demons then I say let us straight guys get to bang hot demon ladies then! ๐๐ฅ๐ The desire demons were removed from game though. Too risky for Bioware when going for that metacritic score which is totally useless anyhow. People look at user score, bioware
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Post by Son of Dorn on Jan 4, 2019 0:26:25 GMT
You and me both. Though if they are talking about banging male demons then I say let us straight guys get to bang hot demon ladies then! ๐๐ฅ๐ I'm all for a Desire Demon situation where they offer a daliance and we get to tell them what our sexual preference is. They then morph into male or female and there is a Fade to Black.ย I mean, they should have known with their telepathic powers, but Desire Demons who graduate with a C are just the same as the ones who graduated with an A: Desire Demons. Or a Desire Demon companion and LI.
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