DA 4 Romances! New info for real this time!!! Zom-bangin'?

He's my second favorite bioware romance after Anders, tbh. I love Zev, but it annoys me how irrelevant they've let him be from introduction until now. Every other origins romance is a big deal in world and Zev never gets anything substantial. Maybe someday we'll go to Antiva and he'll finally get some content again. 

I think Zevran is great. I suspect a lot of the annoyance comes from the "depraved bisexual" trope, and the fact that he as good as says that he "learned" his bisexuality in order to be a more efficient assassin, and he outright states he prefers women, which I would absolutely be insulted by if a guy said that to me IRL. I want love and commitment, I'm not going to accept that I will just automatically be second best to literally ANY WOMAN, regardless of looks and personality.

Yeah, all that. I forgot about all that other stuff.

Yeah, sorry for the Zev bashing on my end.  He's definitely my least favorite of all of the m/m romances in any Bioware game.  But it's for a variety of reasons:

- He's not physically my type.  I'm not into skinny guys OR long hair, so he gets two strikes right off the bat for me.

- The m/m romance dialogue is cringy.  Back when they started including m/m romances, they locked them behind really eye-roll inducing "So you are okay with me liking guys?" dialogue.  Sky, Zevran, Anders, and Fenris all have this language in their romances.  And it's super annoying to see over and over.  Zev's is the worst offender to me (although Sky's is pretty bad too).  

- He is constantly talking about his conquests.  I get that this is just part of his character, but the whole 'promiscuous bisexual' trope has been played out for years, so it's was frustrating that this was the direction that they went with him.  It was just so over the top and unavoidable too.  Plus, they very heavily skewed towards females.  I certainly have no problem with bisexual character preferring one gender over the other, but when it's so heavily skewed it starts to feel like he's straight but will make an exception for the PC, which is not great.  Out of all of Zev's stories, there are only two other guys (one line about a prince who he left naked except for the earring and Taliesen, but that only comes out if you advance far into Zev's story arc -- otherwise, Taliesen is presented as just another Crow.

- He is constantly hitting on women in front of the male PC, even after you've entered into a relationship with him.  It was incredibly frustrating to have your "boyfriend" going on and on and on and on about Wynne's magical tits.  He hits on Wynne, Morrigan, and Leliana but not Alistair or Oghren (if I'm remembering correctly).  So again, very skewed.  I would have appreciated it if the overt flirting with women would have been disabled once you enter in a romance with him as a male PC.

And, to be honest, if Zevran was one of two options, a lot of this would be much more tolerable.  I'd view him more like Bull, who I actually don't mind as much.  Had Alistair been available as well, then Zevran would have been a choice and therefore it's easier to take alot of his flaws.  But when he's the only option, then it makes it harder to accept that he was pretty clearly written with the female Warden in mind.

But that's just my take on it.  

I appreciated that my Aeducan could tell him she fell for a human bard, tho. They did have a cool dynamic.


I love the crap out of him - there are just some issues with how he's written as a m/m LI. Like how hard it is to find out he was in a relationship with Taliesen (before WoT2 came out, you had to go to Denerim with Zev at mid approval - not enough to betray you, but not enough to defend you, so that he walks away from the battle. In these circumstances and ONLY these circumstances, back at camp he'll admit that Taliesen was "a friend... and more"). He flirts with Wynne/Leliana/Morrigan all the time but his flirtatious banters with Alistair were either cut or they're just bugged. Some people feel that his comment about the Crows looking for a "certain open-mindedness" among recruits suggests his interest in men was forced or fabricated... I disagree with that, I think it's just awkwardly worded, but ya know.... there's that. He's immediately flirtatious with a female Warden but keeps a more professional distance with a male Warden until later, etc. etc. I think all of these issues TOGETHER make people not a fan of his romance. Plus some people just don't like his personality, his promiscuity, his moral ambiguity.

And then there are some people who just aren't into elves, or find him too androgynous-looking, or whatever other preference they might have.

Still my fave LI in Origins tho. But I'm also not a gay dude.

I absolutely DO mind being told that an LI prefers women over men. Just keep that shit on lockdown, have some fucking tact, jesus christ. I would never ask in the first place.

I've heard men say shit like that they'd fool around with a guy but never pursue a relationship with one, or "I'm bi after tequila". If that's how you feel, then stick to women and leave me the hell alone.. I won't deny your sexual identity, but I am not here to be anyone's experiment, or to be led on.

I mean... isn't that what I just said? Rejecting a man you work for may have consequences outside of just hurting their feelings. That's a concern for women, with men, specifically.

I have already admitted in this thread that I am very uninclined to believe that someone is pushing an SJW agenda. I am just as unlikely to believe that someone is pushing the whatever they're calling the opposite of an SJW agenda. sooooooooo.... you can think they're being dude bros if you want, maybe they were being dude bros and I'm the wrong one, but it doesn't make her reaction any less like reality to have replied like that to someone she's not interested in at work.

Only slightly on-topic, but I thought I'd drop these off here. 👀


So.... at least they exist, somewhere. Zevran is hot for Alistair.

When Hawke wakes up and finds Fenris already dressed and standing by the fire, and Fenris says he has to go... Hawke has three dialogue choices (as usual):

Green: "Is it because I'm a man?"
Blue: "It is a lot to take in, isn't it?"
Red: Probably something awful but I never choose red xD

My DAO party was Zevran, Alistair, and Wynne, always xD Also I was on xbox so maybe it just was bugged on a different platform? 

Red: So that's it then?

It was very calm, actually. Like someone who'd just been hurt and was hiding it, so personally think it's a great line.