inherit
507
0
Jun 21, 2021 22:15:41 GMT
5,802
Artemis
Somewhere, out there...
2,630
August 2016
artemis
CuriousArtemis
curiousartemis
|
Post by Artemis on Jan 21, 2019 21:14:35 GMT
Hopefully Aw yeah, vidya games are the best. Hey IRL I'd high five Blackwall and be his best bro since I don't do the dating thing. But in my fantasy vidya game I can do and be... more. They are special venues that's for sure. Maybe that's why it's so disappointing when they don't work out the way you truly wanted them to. When's my next chance to be a handsome elven lad and fall head over heels for a grizzled old fellow like that? Probably never or DOS2.I'd really appreciate an older gentleman for DA4, but I think it's going to be between another late 20s-early 30s handsome pretty lad or an elf. But the bi option could be anything. I'm definitely at least expecting the KISA trope who is at least open for men. But whether or not he is actually a bit more mature and older, and not just a generic handsome pretty boy, remains to be seen. Blackwall was so unpopular with everyone, so I'm not sure if we'll get another '' daddy '' like character lol. Yeah I really don't know. If there's one thing you can say about the DA writers it's that they create characters THEY want to write, and not necessarily what the players want. Sometimes that can be frustrating if they're continuing to play into annoying tropes, but on the other hand, they really pay "but she has a jaw shaped like a man's!" type rubbish no mind and just write what they want. They have also stated that they write/conceive of all the characters first and THEN decide afterward who will be the romances. (Dorian, being Gaider's lifelong personal project, was probably different.) So to that end I'd say it's all up in the air for now. I think they DO take some things into consideration, like the desire for a gay KISA (I'd wager they're less aware of the wlw desire for one). BUT when it comes down to it, they will stick to their usual principles and write the characters they personally feel belong in the narrative. In other words, if a writer is envisioning an elven slave as an important character and potential companion, so long as she makes her case to the head writer, I imagine she'll get the co-ahead. Once all characters are created and narrative is solid, then each writer will say whether they feel their character(s) should or shouldn't be a LI. Or so it's been explained in the past to us!
|
|
inherit
1439
0
Nov 26, 2024 20:20:12 GMT
13,451
witchcocktor
4,283
Sept 6, 2016 10:00:37 GMT
September 2016
witchcocktor
Dragon Age 2, Dragon Age Inquisition, Neverwinter Nights, Mass Effect Andromeda, Dragon Age The Veilguard
|
Post by witchcocktor on Jan 21, 2019 21:21:15 GMT
I'd really appreciate an older gentleman for DA4, but I think it's going to be between another late 20s-early 30s handsome pretty lad or an elf. But the bi option could be anything. I'm definitely at least expecting the KISA trope who is at least open for men. But whether or not he is actually a bit more mature and older, and not just a generic handsome pretty boy, remains to be seen. Blackwall was so unpopular with everyone, so I'm not sure if we'll get another '' daddy '' like character lol. Yeah I really don't know. If there's one thing you can say about the DA writers it's that they create characters THEY want to write, and not necessarily what the players want. Sometimes that can be frustrating if they're continuing to play into annoying tropes, but on the other hand, they really pay "but she has a jaw shaped like a man's!" type rubbish no mind and just write what they want. They have also stated that they write/conceive of all the characters first and THEN decide afterward who will be the romances. (Dorian, being Gaider's lifelong personal project, was probably different.) So to that end I'd say it's all up in the air for now. I think they DO take some things into consideration, like the desire for a gay KISA (I'd wager they're less aware of the wlw desire for one). BUT when it comes down to it, they will stick to their usual principles and write the characters they personally feel belong in the narrative. In other words, if a writer is envisioning an elven slave as an important character and potential companion, so long as she makes her case to the head writer, I imagine she'll get the co-ahead. Once all characters are created and narrative is solid, then each writer will say whether they feel their character(s) should or shouldn't be a LI. Or so it's been explained in the past to us! There are positives to that, but not reviewing past patterns and making the conscious decision to repeat them, would be a mistake to me. But since I haven't been there to see how they actually decide on romances, I'm not going to speculate further. The only thing I do hope is that they've taken past criticism into consideration when it comes to romances and '' representation. '' There's always space to learn to do better. Though I don't think DA:I itself was horrible, just that none of the options or the representation spoke to me personally.
|
|
inherit
4964
0
Jun 17, 2017 17:29:55 GMT
3,701
arvaarad
1,465
Mar 18, 2017 16:32:40 GMT
March 2017
arvaarad
Dragon Age: Origins, Dragon Age 2, Jade Empire
|
Post by arvaarad on Jan 21, 2019 21:38:32 GMT
Also I want to ask a sylvan what it feels when a bee quests deeply into its pillowy blossoms.I kind of love how much you've thought about this. Wait until you discover the folks who’ve developed an entire multifandom universe around wolf dicks. I can only aspire to one day reach that level of horny worldbuilding.
|
|
inherit
Elvis Has Left The Building
7794
0
Oct 31, 2020 23:57:02 GMT
8,073
pessimistpanda
3,804
Apr 18, 2017 15:57:34 GMT
April 2017
pessimistpanda
Mass Effect Trilogy, Dragon Age: Origins, Dragon Age 2, Mass Effect Andromeda
|
Post by pessimistpanda on Jan 21, 2019 21:59:51 GMT
I kind of love how much you've thought about this. Wait until you discover the folks who’ve developed an entire multifandom universe around wolf dicks. I can only aspire to one day reach that level of horny worldbuilding. Like... sentient wolf dicks that exist independently of any wolves?
|
|
inherit
4964
0
Jun 17, 2017 17:29:55 GMT
3,701
arvaarad
1,465
Mar 18, 2017 16:32:40 GMT
March 2017
arvaarad
Dragon Age: Origins, Dragon Age 2, Jade Empire
|
Post by arvaarad on Jan 21, 2019 22:13:47 GMT
Wait until you discover the folks who’ve developed an entire multifandom universe around wolf dicks. I can only aspire to one day reach that level of horny worldbuilding. Like... sentient wolf dicks that exist independently of any wolves? Wellllllll, I guess it’s technically true to say they exist independently of... wolves.
|
|
inherit
Elvis Has Left The Building
7794
0
Oct 31, 2020 23:57:02 GMT
8,073
pessimistpanda
3,804
Apr 18, 2017 15:57:34 GMT
April 2017
pessimistpanda
Mass Effect Trilogy, Dragon Age: Origins, Dragon Age 2, Mass Effect Andromeda
|
Post by pessimistpanda on Jan 21, 2019 22:16:11 GMT
Like... sentient wolf dicks that exist independently of any wolves? Wellllllll, I guess it’s technically true to say they exist independently of... wolves. Ominous.
|
|
inherit
M'lady of Fine Arts
434
0
4,610
Lady Artifice
1,835
August 2016
ladyartifice
|
Post by Lady Artifice on Jan 21, 2019 22:37:46 GMT
Like... sentient wolf dicks that exist independently of any wolves? Wellllllll, I guess it’s technically true to say they exist independently of... wolves. Now, I'm confused.
|
|
inherit
Champion of Kirkwall
1212
0
8,026
Sifr
3,737
Aug 25, 2016 20:05:11 GMT
August 2016
sifr
Mass Effect Trilogy, Dragon Age: Origins, Dragon Age 2, Dragon Age Inquistion, KOTOR, Baldur's Gate, Neverwinter Nights, Jade Empire
|
Post by Sifr on Jan 22, 2019 4:25:45 GMT
Wellllllll, I guess it’s technically true to say they exist independently of... wolves. Now, I'm confused. So am I, but I have a feeling that answers will only lead to our faces melting, as if we've opened the Ark of the Covenant?
|
|
inherit
1439
0
Nov 26, 2024 20:20:12 GMT
13,451
witchcocktor
4,283
Sept 6, 2016 10:00:37 GMT
September 2016
witchcocktor
Dragon Age 2, Dragon Age Inquisition, Neverwinter Nights, Mass Effect Andromeda, Dragon Age The Veilguard
|
Post by witchcocktor on Jan 22, 2019 6:31:17 GMT
So am I, but I have a feeling that answers will only lead to our faces melting, as if we've opened the Ark of the Covenant? I'm going to take a wild guess that they are talking about the beta-alpha-omega universe that is prominent in fan fiction, especially yaoi/slash. Google it.
|
|
inherit
3852
0
Feb 26, 2017 13:09:29 GMT
2,276
Rouccoco
520
Feb 24, 2017 23:47:54 GMT
February 2017
bioticapostate
|
Post by Rouccoco on Jan 22, 2019 16:33:10 GMT
Wellllllll, I guess it’s technically true to say they exist independently of... wolves. Now, I'm confused. I think he means that thankfully no actual wolves are involved, just humans with um... special dicks. Which everyone gets so hung up on, and not the fact that the ABO trope is like the condensed and crystallised result of years of writing men who bottom as pretty much women. Male pregnancy has less to do with werewolves and more with Alien... To bring it back, this is one of the reasons I prefer them not to reveal positions like they did with Bull. Or make them versatile, like the romances in Odyssey.
|
|
inherit
Scribbles
185
0
Nov 17, 2024 22:23:52 GMT
31,578
Hanako Ikezawa
22,991
August 2016
hanakoikezawa
|
Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Jan 22, 2019 16:38:40 GMT
I think he means that thankfully no actual wolves are involved, just humans with um... special dicks. Which everyone gets so hung up on, and not the fact that the ABO trope is like the condensed and crystallised result of years of writing men who bottom as pretty much women. Male pregnancy has less to do with werewolves and more with Alien... To bring it back, this is one of the reasons is prefer them not to reveal positions like they did with Bull. Or make them versatile, like the romances in Odyssey.What do you mean?
|
|
inherit
3852
0
Feb 26, 2017 13:09:29 GMT
2,276
Rouccoco
520
Feb 24, 2017 23:47:54 GMT
February 2017
bioticapostate
|
Post by Rouccoco on Jan 22, 2019 16:51:07 GMT
That the m/m romances either don't talk about position or hint/outright say they switch, like with Kosta or Alkibiades. Haven't finished all of them, but from what I've seen this applies to all of them.
|
|
inherit
Scribbles
185
0
Nov 17, 2024 22:23:52 GMT
31,578
Hanako Ikezawa
22,991
August 2016
hanakoikezawa
|
Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Jan 22, 2019 16:55:37 GMT
That the m/m romances either don't talk about position or hint/outright say they switch, like with Kosta or Alkibiades. Haven't finished all of them, but from what I've seen this applies to all of them. Ah, okay. I thought that was what you meant but I’m not doing the romances so wanted to be sure.
|
|
inherit
4964
0
Jun 17, 2017 17:29:55 GMT
3,701
arvaarad
1,465
Mar 18, 2017 16:32:40 GMT
March 2017
arvaarad
Dragon Age: Origins, Dragon Age 2, Jade Empire
|
Post by arvaarad on Jan 22, 2019 17:36:03 GMT
I think he means that thankfully no actual wolves are involved, just humans with um... special dicks. Which everyone gets so hung up on, and not the fact that the ABO trope is like the condensed and crystallised result of years of writing men who bottom as pretty much women. Male pregnancy has less to do with werewolves and more with Alien... Eh, sometimes body horror really cranks people’s motors. The Alien quality may, in some cases, be the point. Not for me, of course. Nope. Now if you’ll excuse me, I need to close out some ovipositor tabs reeeeeal quick. That said, it’s safe to say that I’d prefer if all Dragon Age romances stay far away from making babies. They’re... a bit too busy to deal with that. Also based on how kids appear in previous Dragon Age games, I assume they’d pop out looking like 10 year olds.
|
|
inherit
2147
0
Nov 26, 2024 21:22:18 GMT
3,165
Gwydden
1,389
November 2016
gwydden
Mass Effect Trilogy, Dragon Age: Origins, Dragon Age 2, Dragon Age Inquisition, Baldur's Gate, Neverwinter Nights, Jade Empire
|
Post by Gwydden on Jan 22, 2019 18:07:52 GMT
That said, it’s safe to say that I’d prefer if all Dragon Age romances stay far away from making babies. They’re... a bit too busy to deal with that. Also based on how kids appear in previous Dragon Age games, I assume they’d pop out looking like 10 year olds. Yeah, the thing about involving the PC in parenthood or even long-term partnerships (which I have seen some advocate for as well) is that the usual scope of a given game's timeline is insufficient for them to happen organically. The only way I could see it work is if they tried to improve on what they tried in DA2: have a game take place across many years and actually reflect the amount of time passed. I found it really weird how Isabela comes on to Hawke pretty strongly in Act I but nothing happens until three years later. In fact, your relationship with every companion, and everything else in Kirkwall for that matter, remain in complete stasis through both three year time skips.
|
|
inherit
507
0
Jun 21, 2021 22:15:41 GMT
5,802
Artemis
Somewhere, out there...
2,630
August 2016
artemis
CuriousArtemis
curiousartemis
|
Post by Artemis on Jan 22, 2019 18:25:00 GMT
I think he means that thankfully no actual wolves are involved, just humans with um... special dicks. Which everyone gets so hung up on, and not the fact that the ABO trope is like the condensed and crystallised result of years of writing men who bottom as pretty much women. Male pregnancy has less to do with werewolves and more with Alien... To bring it back, this is one of the reasons is prefer them not to reveal positions like they did with Bull. Or make them versatile, like the romances in Odyssey. Yeeeess. Many times this is part of my character creation... I'm a writer, so yes, how my character prefers to be with a lover is part of their make-up, and I do NOT like having that decided for me (and I do NOT like it limiting my already limited romance options). The BDSM bit applies here as well. I feel like BioWare dives TOO deeply into creating these characters sometimes and they forget they're writing a game with choices and not a novel. I like novels, but I'm not reading a novel; I'm playing an RPG game, where I'm told I can create my own character. Now it's like I have to go through all these stupid check points before a character will let me kiss them.
|
|
inherit
M'lady of Fine Arts
434
0
4,610
Lady Artifice
1,835
August 2016
ladyartifice
|
Post by Lady Artifice on Jan 22, 2019 21:55:52 GMT
So, I've been thinking about side quests and companion quests and such. Personally, I think one of the things that makes side quests more potent and enjoyable is the unexpected, even when it's used in little ways.
That said, there are situations where I don't think the unexpected alone can do it. Blackwall's whole character arc is one big identity reveal, and it bores me utterly. That's personal, of course. I don't have anything against Rainier, really. I just wasn't engaged by his story.
Anyway, it got me to thinking about how a lot, of DA companions keep big secrets from the protagonist. Even some of the more noble people, like Alistair.
Question to the masses, then: Would you like that to be a possibility in the type of character you hope to explore a romance for in an upcoming game? What has been your favorite love interest character arc? And what, generally, kind of side story for an LI would you most like to see in the future?
|
|
inherit
4964
0
Jun 17, 2017 17:29:55 GMT
3,701
arvaarad
1,465
Mar 18, 2017 16:32:40 GMT
March 2017
arvaarad
Dragon Age: Origins, Dragon Age 2, Jade Empire
|
Post by arvaarad on Jan 22, 2019 22:57:29 GMT
So, I've been thinking about side quests and companion quests and such. Personally, I think one of the things that makes side quests more potent and enjoyable is the unexpected, even when it's used in little ways. That said, there are situations where I don't think the unexpected alone can do it. Blackwall's whole character arc is one big identity reveal, and it bores me utterly. That's personal, of course. I don't have anything against Rainier, really. I just wasn't engaged by his story. Anyway, it got me to thinking about how a lot, of DA companions keep big secrets from the protagonist. Even some of the more noble people, like Alistair. Question to the masses, then: Would you like that to be a possibility in the type of character you hope to explore a romance for in an upcoming game? What has been your favorite love interest character arc? And what, generally, kind of side story for an LI would you most like to see in the future? We should flip it on its head! Make the protagonist reveal secrets (or do something else that requires putting a lot of trust in their LI) as part of a romance arc. I don’t want to always be harping on interactive fiction, but one thing IF does great is that “palace intrigue” type stuff, where you might be able to romance someone, but there’s sometimes genuine risk in trusting them. Just as an example, assume the protagonist is a spy placed in the Stealth!Inquisition by some hostile faction. Maybe some of their romances would be non-Inquisition folks who don’t really care, but other options would be higher risk when it comes to revealing too much too soon, before adequately winning them over. However, revealing that information is necessary to advance the romance. And give it real stakes, where too-early trust might lead to losing them, having to fight more enemies, or getting a quick game over. Similar to the game overs in Wicked Eyes, but collectible for achievements so it isn’t a total bummer.
|
|
inherit
Elvis Has Left The Building
7794
0
Oct 31, 2020 23:57:02 GMT
8,073
pessimistpanda
3,804
Apr 18, 2017 15:57:34 GMT
April 2017
pessimistpanda
Mass Effect Trilogy, Dragon Age: Origins, Dragon Age 2, Mass Effect Andromeda
|
Post by pessimistpanda on Jan 22, 2019 23:39:38 GMT
Ah yes, Blackwall. The world's most boring murderer.
|
|
inherit
M'lady of Fine Arts
434
0
4,610
Lady Artifice
1,835
August 2016
ladyartifice
|
Post by Lady Artifice on Jan 23, 2019 0:03:57 GMT
Burn.
|
|
inherit
3852
0
Feb 26, 2017 13:09:29 GMT
2,276
Rouccoco
520
Feb 24, 2017 23:47:54 GMT
February 2017
bioticapostate
|
Post by Rouccoco on Jan 23, 2019 0:20:21 GMT
Also, kids don't exist in Thedas any more, unless they're old god babies. Not that I mind Yeeeess. Many times this is part of my character creation... I'm a writer, so yes, how my character prefers to be with a lover is part of their make-up, and I do NOT like having that decided for me (and I do NOT like it limiting my already limited romance options). The BDSM bit applies here as well. I mean, I don't think revealing positions has to be super limiting, but the way they did it with Bull was. It's not even the BDSM thing, but more how they approached it. "I'm a spy! I know you need this!" Dude no.
|
|
inherit
3852
0
Feb 26, 2017 13:09:29 GMT
2,276
Rouccoco
520
Feb 24, 2017 23:47:54 GMT
February 2017
bioticapostate
|
Post by Rouccoco on Jan 23, 2019 0:39:44 GMT
Question to the masses, then: Would you like that to be a possibility in the type of character you hope to explore a romance for in an upcoming game? What has been your favorite love interest character arc? And what, generally, kind of side story for an LI would you most like to see in the future? So like, random idea and all, how about, the character seems super normal, and then he goes "luv, I'm a liecanthrope. Get it? Because I get all wolfy and I lied about it. It's a portmanteau." But seriously, I like external reveals better, like Danse's. When the secret is revealed to the LI pretty much at the same time (though I get that might be hard to pull off). You get the drama, with even more drama sprinkled on top ("I didn't know either!"), and you don't have to have deception be a "milestone" in the relationship. I enjoyed Anders' romance, but this time around I'd rather not have the LI keeping secrets.
|
|
melbella
N7
Trouble-shooting Space Diva
Games: Mass Effect Trilogy, Dragon Age: Origins, Dragon Age 2, Dragon Age Inquisition, KOTOR, Baldur's Gate, Neverwinter Nights, Jade Empire, Mass Effect Andromeda, Mass Effect Legendary Edition
Origin: melbella
Prime Posts: 2186
Prime Likes: 5778
Posts: 8,424 Likes: 26,146
inherit
214
0
26,146
melbella
Trouble-shooting Space Diva
8,424
August 2016
melbella
Bottom
Mass Effect Trilogy, Dragon Age: Origins, Dragon Age 2, Dragon Age Inquisition, KOTOR, Baldur's Gate, Neverwinter Nights, Jade Empire, Mass Effect Andromeda, Mass Effect Legendary Edition
melbella
2186
5778
|
Post by melbella on Jan 23, 2019 1:38:46 GMT
I'd rather not have the LI keeping secrets After Alistair, Morrigan, Anders, Isabella, Solas, and Blackwall.....it's kinda old. Reminds me of the Mission Impossible movie with the face mask reveals. The first time or two, it was cool and intriguing, but after that it was just gimmicky and stupid. I think we're closer to the latter than the former with DA romance options.
|
|
inherit
2147
0
Nov 26, 2024 21:22:18 GMT
3,165
Gwydden
1,389
November 2016
gwydden
Mass Effect Trilogy, Dragon Age: Origins, Dragon Age 2, Dragon Age Inquisition, Baldur's Gate, Neverwinter Nights, Jade Empire
|
Post by Gwydden on Jan 23, 2019 1:52:33 GMT
Ah yes, Blackwall. The world's most boring murderer. Boooo! He's easily my favorite companion in Inquisition, and the best romance of the ones I've seen. And come on, where's the fun in a Bioware game if you cannot lead a motley of merry mass murderers?
|
|
inherit
Elvis Has Left The Building
7794
0
Oct 31, 2020 23:57:02 GMT
8,073
pessimistpanda
3,804
Apr 18, 2017 15:57:34 GMT
April 2017
pessimistpanda
Mass Effect Trilogy, Dragon Age: Origins, Dragon Age 2, Mass Effect Andromeda
|
Post by pessimistpanda on Jan 23, 2019 3:44:35 GMT
Ah yes, Blackwall. The world's most boring murderer. Boooo! He's easily my favorite companion in Inquisition, and the best romance of the ones I've seen. And come on, where's the fun in a Bioware game if you cannot lead a motley of merry mass murderers? I'm perfectly willing to forgive murder. I have no problems with Zevran. Blackwall's true crime is being unforgivably dull.
|
|