DA 4 Romances! New info for real this time!!! Zom-bangin'?

IDK, in my mind there’s a huge separation between “bad boy” and “asshole”. A bad boy is dangerous because he’s too cool/cocky in risky situations. An asshole is dangerous because he loses his shit in minor situations. They’re completely the opposite.

I guess Elgar’nan’s ego would be ok if it’s earned, but having a temper is a big No for me.

I would love for him to have a non-apologetic "Sorry, I'm not into women" line or something, Gil's was kinda lame and you can flirt with Dorian a lot because gay best friend trope TM which it's a trope I'm totally disgusted with. Same with lesbians, I think Sera's was nice, but Suvi's erased her sexuality "we keep things professional dudebro"

Making gay characters safe for straights has to end, god knows the people who yell SJW at the top of their lungs will do so no matter what anyway-so just be real. "No sir I'm a woman who loves women!"  "I like men! Don't waste your time." 


Though it's also worth stating that I'd much rather all the romances be bisexual with LG representation characters elsewhere-lord knows there's a larger chance of people getting a romance they like without the restrictions.  Also,make sure the scenes work for both genders (don't share the same assets and let one be great and the other a train wreck-Reyes and Peebee). 

On another note, I'm still baffled by the notion that a proper, purely gay or lesbian Love Interest must be mandatory and plot critical. A good role playing game is the player's story, what actions they take, who they consider important or not. Why do you even care if someone decides to dismiss a particular character, or not recruit them in the first place in their own game?

"They need to make up for the major straight characters being mandatory", you say? But two wrongs don't make a right, and making those previous straight characters untouchable was a mistake. We should have been able to kick out Alistair's whiny ass, make Aveline and Varric stay out of our lives, or fire Cassandra, Solas and/or Cullen if we wanted. Having mandatory characters of any orientation railroads players; "you will associate with this person, regardless of who you or they are, because my story is more important than your roleplaying. Also, your character is incompetent of finding any other ways of winning, or even surviving, without them".

Funny, when comparing modern western CRPGs, Obsidian never had this problem. Pretty much all of the their Companions are completely optional, and you can beat their games without recruiting a single one. I usually do recruit all of them, since they are usually so well written. Hell, Arcade Gannon is one of my personal favorites.

Well there goes any chance of us ever dating. 

Bioware tells stories differently than Obsidian/Bethesda. I love the Fallout series, but the characters and plot are never really as strong as Bioware's, imo, because they structure it so that you can do whatever you want whenever you want to. It's not that it's a "worse" overall storytelling medium, but there are pros and cons to both ways. I would rather Bioware kept doing Bioware and Bethesda kept doing Bethesda.

The Witcher series is way more restrictive than any Bioware game in storytelling methods, though, and it's extremely popular. Obviously completely open ended role playing is not all people are looking for in an RPG.

Jesus fucking Christ, not this crap again.

Funny enough, in the conversation about what constitutes good LGBT representation, the components of a good RPG aren't really relevant.

We don't go into your sports bars and try to change the conversation to Britney's best album.

Look what you made me do. 

But is it such a bad thing? I personally thinks all refusal's were done nicely =)
Look at it from this perspective- if someone has a crush on you would you really have a heart to tell then- "ew, i don't like your cause you are *insert something*, so we won't work out".

Sometimes people are really, really used to seeing people like themselves cast as sidekicks. So it’s nice to sometimes see them as major characters who have a big impact on the plot, instead of being on the periphery. People like feeling like they have agency in the world, and one way they can get that sensation is by seeing characters they relate to having agency in the world.

To broaden to things other than sexuality, I’m half Chinese. Characters who look like me tend to be filler characters, research assistants, or monks/ninjas. Part of the reason I really enjoyed playing Jade Empire (and later, Shadowrun: Hong Kong) is because it gave me the feeling that people who looked like me actually had the ability to affect the world. They weren’t just sidekicks to someone else’s goals. And that includes villains too, by the way... as long as they’re interesting and not Generic Order of Ninjas #2347.

Of course, if a game has CC, I can play a hero who looks — to various degrees — like me. But I get an even stronger warm fuzzy feeling when I’m not the only one.

I mean, you argued it in the most semantic and obtuse way possible. lol

That you can go out of your way to avoid Cassandra is irrelevant to the fact that she's a huge part of the game for anyone playing without the intent purpose of actively avoiding her. It doesn't change that not ignoring her adds a lot more to the game than not ignoring Iron Bull, or Fenris, or Zevran does. That's the case with several straight romances. Not wanting to do Morrigan's ritual, or caring about Mythal/elven lore, or Morrigan's continued role in the series doesn't make that huge bulk of material disappear as an option for those that do care about it. When people say they want plot relevant gay romances, they mean they want romances with options like Morrigan's ritual, or Alistair's royal wedding, or other instances that can substantially change the story of your individual character if you choose that romance. It's obtuse to say Morrigan's ritual, lore inclusion, continued presence in the game and larger bulk of dialog in comparison to Zevran means nothing because you don't have to activate her dialog or do her ritual. Nobody is saying the gay characters have to exist in a way that the entire story is about them and their romance. We want romances like Morrigan that give us the option to substantially change how our individual story plays out through interaction with them.