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Post by phoray on Dec 10, 2018 15:46:36 GMT
Spirituality is a complicated thing. Some people believe souls are actually genderless, while others don't. How exactly does that apply to Thedas? Thedosian souls aren’t a matter of belief or spirituality. They’re not just metaphors for complex neurological processes. They’re unambiguously real. We’ve seen Mae in the Fade, and many others. I think physical souls (those attached to a person from the Non Fade) have gender. I believe the spirits that eventually stand for something (compassion, desire, fear) are generally genderless inherently and only take on a gender if they reach a point where they have their own complex goals. Like Imshael definitely picked being male for a reason. |
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Post by Iddy on Dec 10, 2018 16:08:45 GMT
Spirituality is a complicated thing. Some people believe souls are actually genderless, while others don't. How exactly does that apply to Thedas? Thedosian souls aren’t a matter of belief or spirituality. They’re not just metaphors for complex neurological processes. They’re unambiguously real. We’ve seen Mae in the Fade, and many others. That doesn't necessarily mean anything. Remember the mage origin quest? While explaining how things work in the Fade, Mouse (the demon) says this: "You only look like that because you THINK you do." In any case, souls are a moot point when it comes to physical attraction. |
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Post by jadedragon on Dec 10, 2018 16:49:09 GMT
Cal would be my 1st option with Mae a strong 2nd. I can see Harding being the bisexual romance along with Vae. I think a female Qunari romance would be a cool option to explore also.
But Cal redemption story I think would make her entire companion story interesting with romance on top of it.
Both Cal Mae and Harding seem to be beloved by the writers so i think they would have good crafted stories for a romance.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 10, 2018 16:55:33 GMT
Does Calpernia have a death option in DA:I? I know that's not a deal breaker (see Leliana and Anders), but I can't remember since I've only sided templars once in that game). She might be less likely if she's got a canon death option.
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Post by gangrelbeckett on Dec 10, 2018 17:01:31 GMT
Does Calpernia have a death option in DA:I? I know that's not a deal breaker (see Leliana and Anders), but I can't remember since I've only sided templars once in that game). She might be less likely if she's got a canon death option.
Calpernia fakes her death. Also in the Keep there isn´t a skeleton just only blood. She is totally in DA 4.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Dec 10, 2018 17:03:49 GMT
Harding I think should only be an option if we continue as the Inquisitor. After all she can be in a relationship with them, as established by Vivienne in Trespasser, and BioWare don’t want to use LIs as options for multiple protagonists.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 10, 2018 17:10:22 GMT
Calpernia fakes her death. Also in the Keep there isn´t a skeleton just only blood. She is totally in DA 4.
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Post by jadedragon on Dec 10, 2018 17:13:33 GMT
Does Calpernia have a death option in DA:I? I know that's not a deal breaker (see Leliana and Anders), but I can't remember since I've only sided templars once in that game). She might be less likely if she's got a canon death option.
Calpernia fakes her death. Also in the Keep there isn´t a skeleton just only blood. She is totally in DA 4.
The way Bioware has went out their way to keep Cal alive automatically made me think she would be in DA4. Especially when compared to her counterpart Samson who gets captured and judgement. Plus her reaction to Cory plans shows there is hope for redemption for her. I put her in the same type of villain class as Loghain. |
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Post by gangrelbeckett on Dec 10, 2018 17:15:30 GMT
Harding I think should only be an option if we continue as the Inquisitor. After all she can be in a relationship with them, as established by Vivienne in Trespasser, and BioWare don’t want to use LIs as options for multiple protagonists. Harding was never a Love Interest for the Inquisitor. It was just a Flirt like Josephine and Blackwall.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 10, 2018 17:16:55 GMT
Harding I think should only be an option if we continue as the Inquisitor. After all she can be in a relationship with them, as established by Vivienne in Trespasser, and BioWare don’t want to use LIs as options for multiple protagonists. I would say that if we look at it objectively, she's not a romance option for the Inquisitor. While Vivienne does discuss her with the Inquisitor in Trespasser, she's not in the keep as a romance option NOR does she unlock the romance achievement. She's a "fling"/flirt option.
Although it does open up an interesting new dilemma if there are any inquisitors who used that flirt/fling as their "romance" in DA:I and she's suddenly available for a new PC. Although, to be fair, since she's not a full romance option anyway, I suspect they'll wave that away by not referencing it at all in DA4. Now, whether that is "fair" or not is up for debate. But I suspect that's where they'll go with her.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Dec 10, 2018 17:16:58 GMT
Harding I think should only be an option if we continue as the Inquisitor. After all she can be in a relationship with them, as established by Vivienne in Trespasser, and BioWare don’t want to use LIs as options for multiple protagonists. Harding was never a Love Interest for the Inquisitor. It was just a Flirt like Josephine and Blackwall.
Trespasser goes against that, as sometime in those two years it is stated that they’ve started dating. |
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Dec 10, 2018 17:18:51 GMT
Harding I think should only be an option if we continue as the Inquisitor. After all she can be in a relationship with them, as established by Vivienne in Trespasser, and BioWare don’t want to use LIs as options for multiple protagonists. I would say that if we look at it objectively, she's not a romance option for the Inquisitor. While Vivienne does discuss her with the Inquisitor in Trespasser, she's not in the keep as a romance option NOR does she unlock the romance achievement. She's a "fling"/flirt option.
Although it does open up an interesting new dilemma if there are any inquisitors who used that flirt/fling as their "romance" in DA:I and she's suddenly available for a new PC. Although, to be fair, since she's not a full romance option anyway, I suspect they'll wave that away by not referencing it at all in DA4. Now, whether that is "fair" or not is up for debate. But I suspect that's where they'll go with her.
So was Kelly in ME2, and yet in ME3 if you continued she was considered one and unlocked the achievement. So she was a romance option. As for the debate, there is no debate. That’s not fair to those players and instead just BioWare flipping them off. |
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Dec 10, 2018 17:20:41 GMT
Does Calpernia have a death option in DA:I? I know that's not a deal breaker (see Leliana and Anders), but I can't remember since I've only sided templars once in that game). She might be less likely if she's got a canon death option.
Calpernia fakes her death. Also in the Keep there isn´t a skeleton just only blood. She is totally in DA 4.
Hopefully in DA4 we can make that monster’s illusion into a reality. |
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Post by gangrelbeckett on Dec 10, 2018 17:21:15 GMT
The way Bioware has went out their way to keep Cal alive automatically made me think she would be in DA4. This is out of question. "According to Patrick Weekes, Calpernia quickly became a favorite of the writers due to her intriguing story and personality" |
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Post by gangrelbeckett on Dec 10, 2018 17:31:14 GMT
As for the debate, there is no debate. That’s not fair to those players and instead just BioWare flipping them off. Who cares? Sorry but most of the players will appreciate real romance scenes with Harding. Also again it was just a Flirt. Ask someone from Bioware if you don´t believe me. But Patrick Weekes (or was it someelse?) clarified a year ago that Harding was nothing more than flirting.
I know your position on Calpernia but she wasn´t a monster. She was someone how was misguided.
But i assume that you don´t care and don´t have much sympathy for her. There is no hope for redemption so she deserved to die.
Your Vaea also had the potential to be a monster on the right circumstances. But thats to be fair unlikely.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 10, 2018 17:45:31 GMT
So was Kelly in ME2, and yet in ME3 if you continued she was considered one and unlocked the achievement. So she was a romance option. As for the debate, there is no debate. That’s not fair to those players and instead just BioWare flipping them off. We'll have to agree to disagree on this. In my opinion based on the facts, Harding isn't a romance option at this point. Sure, she could be in the future, but if we go on facts right now, she's not. She was a flirt (confirmed by the devs as one; doesn't unlock the achievement; isn't flagged for romance in the keep). They have the ability to make her a romance for a new PC with where we are right now.
Sure, it could be considered unfair to those who chose to play that out. But, in fairness, since all of the things I listed above, those players should be reasonable enough to recognize that they were treating a "fling" as a full romance and shouldn't be upset since Bioware didn't actually tell them that she's a full romance. Hence, no flipping off.
Who cares? Sorry but most of the players will appreciate real romance scenes with Harding. Also again it was just a Flirt. Ask someone from Bioware if you don´t believe me. But Patrick Weekes (or was it someelse?) clarified a year ago that Harding was nothing more than flirting.
I suspect that they included the flirts with Harding as a way to "test" out if people would be interested in a dwarf romance. When Harding turned out to be even more popular than they expected (whether you like her or not, you can't deny that she's popular), I think they realized that she would make decent "full romance" material. Which is why the devs have hinted around about her popularity. |
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Dec 10, 2018 17:48:34 GMT
As for the debate, there is no debate. That’s not fair to those players and instead just BioWare flipping them off. Who cares? Sorry but most of the players will appreciate real romance scenes with Harding. Also again it was just a Flirt. Ask someone from Bioware if you don´t believe me. But Patrick Weekes (or was it someelse?) clarified a year ago that Harding was nothing more than flirting.
I know your position on Calpernia but she wasn´t a monster. She was someone how was misguided.
But who cares? There is no hope for redemption but just kill´em all. Your Vaea also had the potential to be a monster on the right circumstances. But thats to be fair unlikely.
Careful with that kind of argument, since it can be turned against you. After all most players won't romance her even if she was an option so y your argument she shouldn't be made one and who cares about the people who did. Did Patrick Weekes write her? If not quite frankly his opinion means nothing and I'll go by what the game says. Yes, she is absolutely a monster. She willing helped Corypheus commit countless atrocities. Her being misguided or wanting to make a better Tevinter doesn't absolve her. Just ask the people at the Nuremberg Trials if you don't believe me. It doesn't have to be killed. Having her rit away in a dungeon for the rest of her life is also fine. If Vaea committed the same monstrous acts that Calpernia did, I'd be first in line to see justice brought down on her. |
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Post by Catilina on Dec 10, 2018 17:58:52 GMT
Who cares? Sorry but most of the players will appreciate real romance scenes with Harding. Also again it was just a Flirt. Ask someone from Bioware if you don´t believe me. But Patrick Weekes (or was it someelse?) clarified a year ago that Harding was nothing more than flirting.
I know your position on Calpernia but she wasn´t a monster. She was someone how was misguided.
But who cares? There is no hope for redemption but just kill´em all. Your Vaea also had the potential to be a monster on the right circumstances. But thats to be fair unlikely.
Careful with that kind of argument, since it can be turned against you. After all most players won't romance her even if she was an option so y your argument she shouldn't be made one and who cares about the people who did. Did Patrick Weekes write her? If not quite frankly his opinion means nothing and I'll go by what the game says. Yes, she is absolutely a monster. She willing helped Corypheus commit countless atrocities. Her being misguided or wanting to make a better Tevinter doesn't absolve her. Just ask the people at the Nuremberg Trials if you don't believe me. It doesn't have to be killed. Having her rit away in a dungeon for the rest of her life is also fine. If Vaea committed the same monstrous acts that Calpernia did, I'd be first in line to see justice brought down on her. Burn them all! No excuse, no mercy! |
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Post by SofaJockey on Dec 10, 2018 19:18:45 GMT
Maevaris is a guy, so that doesn't count.
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Post by Iddy on Dec 10, 2018 19:21:33 GMT
Maevaris is a guy, so that doesn't count.
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Post by Qui-Gon GlenN7 on Dec 10, 2018 19:23:51 GMT
This is a troll thread. The title and poll options make it obvious.
Very clever. And people took the bait. Lame.
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Post by SofaJockey on Dec 10, 2018 19:26:58 GMT
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Post by Iddy on Dec 10, 2018 19:29:24 GMT
As I've explained, this is a discussion about romance. Please take politics elsewhere. Those who started telling me to adhere to THEIR politics are the ones who made it political. All I said was that Maevaris isn't a straight LI. There was no comment about this or that ideology. |
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Post by SofaJockey on Dec 10, 2018 19:32:54 GMT
All I said was that Maevaris isn't a straight LI. That wasn't your quote. Let's leave it here, shall we? - - - And, er, Maevaris can be straight can't she? Can someone help me out with the lore here? |
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Post by Iddy on Dec 10, 2018 19:35:34 GMT
All I said was that Maevaris isn't a straight LI. That wasn't your quote. Let's leave it here, shall we? Still, it hardly said anything about politics. Sure. I doubt anyone will change anyone's mind anyhow. Edit: I meant straight LI as in a LI for straight players. Not whether Mae is straight or not. |
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