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Post by TabithaTH on Jan 9, 2019 18:51:20 GMT
Yes, it tempting. But they're so disrespectful and dishonest in Val Royeaux, that make (almost) impossible to follow them.
The way my Adaar rationalized it, suppressing magic seemed more likely to seal the breach than adding to it. Yeah the templars suck (he was an apostate himself), but practically speaking he needed the best shot at the breach, even if he found them personally distasteful. Getting to disband them at the end was icing on the cake. It really is an outstanding questline, especially Under Her Skin. I did the Adaar playthrough first, and the Lavellan playthrough with the mages felt like a step down. While I mostly side with the mages, I much prefer what they did with the envy demon and meeting Cole in CotJ. I also agree that Calpernia's quest is better than the Samson one. It's mostly just running around in an otherwise optional area collecting stuff, we already have enough of that in the game.
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Post by Nightscrawl on Jan 9, 2019 19:03:59 GMT
I suspect that they need to be alive for their powers to work. They'll need to invent the parachute first if they want this to work . Given how pessimistpanda feels about templars, I doubt he wants them to have parachutes.
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Post by TabithaTH on Jan 9, 2019 19:13:32 GMT
I suspect that they need to be alive for their powers to work. They'll need to invent the parachute first if they want this to work . Given how pessimistpanda feels about templars, I doubt he wants them to have parachutes. Then their abilities would most likely be irrelevant. Though I suspect that using Templars instead of boulders would be satisfying if one dislikes them .
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Post by melbella on Jan 9, 2019 20:16:35 GMT
It really is an outstanding questline, especially Under Her Skin The quest itself is fine, though I'm not a huge fan of Calpernia like some are. However, the pacing for it is terrible. You can pretty run through the whole thing as soon as you get to Skyhold and recruit Dagna. This makes it seem way too easy. I like the drawn out pace of finding Samson better since it feels like you actually have to work for the results.
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Post by masterwarderz on Jan 9, 2019 20:23:31 GMT
The way my Adaar rationalized it, suppressing magic seemed more likely to seal the breach than adding to it. Yeah the templars suck (he was an apostate himself), but practically speaking he needed the best shot at the breach, even if he found them personally distasteful. Getting to disband them at the end was icing on the cake. It really is an outstanding questline, especially Under Her Skin. I did the Adaar playthrough first, and the Lavellan playthrough with the mages felt like a step down. My Inquisitors are mages. They know, what the mages can do. Keep the institution of slavery going primarily for a thousand plus years after it fell out of favor with the rest of the continent.
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Post by pessimistpanda on Jan 9, 2019 21:10:54 GMT
My Inquisitors are mages. They know, what the mages can do. Keep the institution of slavery going primarily for a thousand plus years after it fell out of favor with the rest of the continent. Remember kids, it's not slavery if the people are different from you.
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Post by gangrelbeckett on Jan 10, 2019 0:08:07 GMT
Yes, it tempting. But they're so disrespectful and dishonest in Val Royeaux, that make (almost) impossible to follow them.
You should try it. Ser Barris alone is worth it. He is a way better ally than Fiona. Also this guys in Val Royeaux with exception of Barris aren´t real templars.
However, the pacing for it is terrible. You can pretty run through the whole thing as soon as you get to Skyhold and recruit Dagna. This makes it seem way too easy. I like the drawn out pace of finding Samson better since it feels like you actually have to work for the results. I have a different view. I prefer the Calpernia quest over Samson. The pacing is in my opinion much better or should i say more fun and timesaving? Sorry but i am not a big fan of this finding letters part of the quest.
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Post by Catilina on Jan 10, 2019 0:21:44 GMT
Yes, it tempting. But they're so disrespectful and dishonest in Val Royeaux, that make (almost) impossible to follow them.
You should try it. Ser Barris alone is worth it. He is a way better ally than Fiona. Also this guys in Val Royeaux with exception of Barris aren´t real templars.
Why not joined then? He decided. They're Templars, just follow a demon. Or they all demons? I really don't care about Templars who refuse the help when demons fall from the sky. I plan to try somehow – I don't want to play as someone who likes the Templars or thinks, they're more useful. I know, I'm stubborn. And I know, the Templars painted better colour in the Inquisition. But I'm sure I don't want to ally with them – just like I wouldn't conscript the mages.
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Post by tevintermageddon on Jan 10, 2019 1:13:07 GMT
Champions of the Just allows the Inquisitor to disband the templars.
Also it unlocks Under Her Skin, which is one of the best quests in the game and fills in a lot of details about Corypheus. Yes, it tempting. But they're so disrespectful and dishonest in Val Royeaux, that make (almost) impossible to follow them.
Well, the Lord Seeker you fight instead of follow and the templar that punches the revered mother you end up fighting too (and arresting). It's Ser Barris that you end up siding with, and he's the one who questions the Lord Seeker's criticism of the inquisition. So really, the templars showing all the disrespect ("Lord Seeker Lucius" and Denam) end up getting their rear ends kicked in CotJ.
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Post by Catilina on Jan 10, 2019 1:30:02 GMT
Yes, it tempting. But they're so disrespectful and dishonest in Val Royeaux, that make (almost) impossible to follow them.
Well, the Lord Seeker you fight instead of follow and the templar that punches the revered mother you end up fighting too (and arresting). It's Ser Barris that you end up siding with, and he's the one who questions the Lord Seeker's criticism of the inquisition. So really, the templars showing all the disrespect ("Lord Seeker Lucius" and Denam) end up getting their rear ends kicked in CotJ. Barris followed that prick too. Why didn't rebel? Seems it was normal to Templars, that their leader just punches a lady. This isn't a surprise.
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Post by tevintermageddon on Jan 10, 2019 1:45:04 GMT
Well, the Lord Seeker you fight instead of follow and the templar that punches the revered mother you end up fighting too (and arresting). It's Ser Barris that you end up siding with, and he's the one who questions the Lord Seeker's criticism of the inquisition. So really, the templars showing all the disrespect ("Lord Seeker Lucius" and Denam) end up getting their rear ends kicked in CotJ. Barris followed that prick too. Why didn't rebel? Seems it was normal to Templars, that their leader just punches a lady. This isn't a surprise. Yeah, Barris and the un-corrupted templars you recruit do hold responsibility for following Lucius, even if they didn't fully know what was going on. Templars are trained to obey orders, plus they're held by their "lyrium leash", but they did become templars by choice one way or another and a whole lot of them are jerks so I completely understand the hate.
I personally prefer templar villains to the heroic ones myself, that way I can love/hate them like I do Meredith, Samson, Lucius, Denam, etc.
I love Ser Barris as a character, but I'm not such a fan of Cullen, Rylen, etc. Actually, I really don't like Cullen or understand his ridiculously wild popularity.
I'm going to miss having templar villains in DA4, since I take it Sam's days of villainy are over and Meredith, Denam, Lucius etc. are all dead or probably dead. I doubt the Imperial Templars will be that fun for me as villains, since they don't have much power to abuse in the first place. Plus they don't have lyrium powers, and that makes them less interesting to me for some reason.
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Post by phoray on Jan 10, 2019 2:58:23 GMT
Why not joined then? He decided. They're Templars, just follow a demon. Or they all demons? I really don't care about Templars who refuse the help when demons fall from the sky. Ignore Grengel. You can point black discuss the Templar Leadership being weird with Barris and ask him to join the Inquisition to actually do something, and he turns you down with a pouty face. He can't hack it alone and he's picked his side and he only flips because his side tries to kill him. That's not a guy I want around me.
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Post by Dukemon on Jan 21, 2019 9:43:13 GMT
My issue with Barris is the same as with Vivienne. They do not fit into Thedas. There is no biom that explaining this way of dark skin. Thedas was a flipped European map and in the medieval Europe there were very few black people. Most Europeans have not even seen an African in their entire life.
Isabela is perfectly fine. Antiva und Rivain people are darker than Ferelden, but it is explained and comprehensibly. Addtionaly, do not forget the fact someone like Isabela is very often on sea.
And the other called guys. Cullens story is finished. Both ways could be mentioned, but it does not affect the plot in Tevinter anyway. Samson. Pff, forget Samson.
I want a templar from Tevinter as companion. A very new point of view. Maybe without fear and disrespect about mage and mages. I would like that.
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Post by Andraste_Reborn on Jan 21, 2019 10:01:46 GMT
My issue with Barris is the same as with Vivienne. They do not fit into Thedas. There is no biom that explaining this way of dark skin. Thedas was a flipped European map and in the medieval Europe there were very few black people. Most Europeans have not even seen an African in their entire life. Uh, leaving aside your assertions about real world history (ever hear of the time the Moors invade the Iberian Peninsula and occupied it for a century?) this is not true. The people of Rivain migrated south from the Donarks, which is a tropical jungle. Over time, some of those Rivani people moved to other parts of Thedas like the Free Marches and Ferelden. They're a nation renowned for sailors and merchants, so it's not particular odd that some of them move around. It's not like there's a fence around Rivain.
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Post by Sifr on Jan 21, 2019 10:28:04 GMT
I think people forget that Ferelden is located deep in the southern hemisphere, far enough that travelling further south beyond the Korcari Wilds will lead you to an Arctic tundra region.
Conversely, travelling north from Ferelden leads to warmer climates as you get approach nearer the equator. And not unsurprisingly, the people from those regions are depicted as having darker skin tones and complexions than those further south.
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Post by Dukemon on Jan 21, 2019 11:40:44 GMT
My issue with Barris is the same as with Vivienne. They do not fit into Thedas. There is no biom that explaining this way of dark skin. Thedas was a flipped European map and in the medieval Europe there were very few black people. Most Europeans have not even seen an African in their entire life. Uh, leaving aside your assertions about real world history (ever hear of the time the Moors invade the Iberian Peninsula and occupied it for a century?) this is not true. The people of Rivain migrated south from the Donarks, which is a tropical jungle. Over time, some of those Rivani people moved to other parts of Thedas like the Free Marches and Ferelden. They're a nation renowned for sailors and merchants, so it's not particular odd that some of them move around. It's not like there's a fence around Rivain.
I am using Kingdom Come Delliverance as Reference for my post. It is understandable there are no dark skin types. There is no reason why people would have darker skin colors, because of biom. Rivain has people with more darker skin than Ferelden, but they are not as black as African people. Because there is no reason by the location. The dark skin from warm sea region is another requirement of adaptation to the environment than desert bioms.
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Post by Andraste_Reborn on Jan 21, 2019 12:01:21 GMT
I am using Kingdom Come Delliverance as Reference for my post. It is understandable there are no dark skin types. There is no reason why people would have darker skin colors, because of biom. Rivain has people with more darker skin than Ferelden, but they are not as black as African people. Because there is no reason by the location. The dark skin from warm sea region is another requirement of adaptation to the environment than desert bioms. Once again leaving aside the question of how many or few black people there were in Medieval Europe: claiming there can't be black people in Thedas because it's based on Medieval Europe is like claiming there can't be potatoes and tomatoes and pumpkins and chocolate in Thedas because it's based on Medieval Europe. They DO have black people, and they DO have New World food crops. (Yet for some mysterious reason people complain way less about the chocolate and potatoes, even though we have a much clearer explanation for the range of Rivani skin tones than we do for the plants. Weird.)
As far as we can tell, all humans in our universe had dark skin to begin with. Some of us gradually turned beige because we moved to places with limited sunshine and had trouble getting enough Vitimin D. The notable exception to the 'further from the equator = more beige" rule are the Inuit, whose diet was historically very high in Vitamin D. We have no way of knowing if evolution in Thedas works in a similar way (we don't even know where humans come from) but it's not that much of a stretch to assume that a similar process occurred in Thedas. The people of Ferelden are pale because Ferelden is cold and they don't get enough sun. The people of Rivain are descended from settlers in the Donarks and never got paler because there's plenty of sunshine where they live.
(I feel like the logical conclusion of this argument is that the Chasind are eating a lot of mysterious blubbery animals ...)
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Post by Dukemon on Jan 21, 2019 13:00:18 GMT
I have never heard in Dragon Age anything about chocolate. xD
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Post by arvaarad on Jan 21, 2019 15:05:36 GMT
I have never heard in Dragon Age anything about chocolate. xD It exists. It’s mentioned when speaking of Orlesian desserts, and there’s also a war table operation where Mae sends chocolates.
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Post by pessimistpanda on Jan 21, 2019 22:13:11 GMT
I have never heard in Dragon Age anything about chocolate. xD It exists. It’s mentioned when speaking of Orlesian desserts, and there’s also a war table operation where Mae sends chocolates. I am equal parts impressed that people manage to store this kind of pointless minutiae in their brains, and dismayed that such information retention is apparently necessary to justify the existence of non-white people in a FUCKING MADE-UP WORLD. "It's based on medieval Europe, nyernyernyeeeeeeer" It has FUCKING TROPICAL ISLANDS AND A DESERT.
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Post by Nightscrawl on Jan 21, 2019 22:27:17 GMT
I am equal parts impressed that people manage to store this kind of pointless minutiae in their brains, and dismayed that such information retention is apparently necessary to justify the existence of non-white people in a FUCKING MADE-UP WORLD. "It's based on medieval Europe, nyernyernyeeeeeeer" It has FUCKING TROPICAL ISLANDS AND A DESERT. I'm just happy to be reminded about the chocolate. arvaarad 's mention of the Mae reference was an "Oh yeah!" moment, but I didn't remember when it was initially mentioned. Yay chocolate!
And if there's chocolate then there is coffee, which a friend makes liberal use of in his DA fics. Though not established by Word of God or an in-game reference, as the plants require similar climate, it's not an unreasonable assumption. [edit] Actually, I have been reminded that Antivan coffee is mentioned in one of the books.
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Post by arvaarad on Jan 21, 2019 22:37:37 GMT
It exists. It’s mentioned when speaking of Orlesian desserts, and there’s also a war table operation where Mae sends chocolates. I am equal parts impressed that people manage to store this kind of pointless minutiae in their brains, and dismayed that such information retention is necessary to justify the existence of non-white people in a FUCKING MADE-UP WORLD. Replace being impressed with just the dismay, because I “remembered” that information by googling chocolate site:dragonage.wikia.com. OT Sidebar: can we talk about how weird it is that we have instant access to a world brain now? In some sense we had that when people invented storytelling, then even more so with writing. But now we can do it at the speed of thought, as if we’re pulling memories from our own brain. Only 2 or 3 decades ago, that kind of telepathy would be firmly in the realm of sci-fi, and now we do it like it’s nothing.
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Post by pessimistpanda on Jan 21, 2019 22:38:54 GMT
I am equal parts impressed that people manage to store this kind of pointless minutiae in their brains, and dismayed that such information retention is necessary to justify the existence of non-white people in a FUCKING MADE-UP WORLD. Replace being impressed with just the dismay, because I “remembered” that information by googling chocolate site:dragonage.wikia.com. OT Sidebar: can we talk about how weird it is that we have instant access to a world brain now? In some sense we had that when people invented storytelling, then even more so with writing. But now we can do it at the speed of thought, as if we’re pulling memories from our own brain. Only 2 or 3 decades ago, that kind of telepathy would be firmly in the realm of sci-fi, and now we do it like it’s nothing. And even better, the world brain is as horny as we are. Hornier, probably.
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Post by Andraste_Reborn on Jan 21, 2019 22:47:19 GMT
I have never heard in Dragon Age anything about chocolate. xD It exists. It’s mentioned when speaking of Orlesian desserts, and there’s also a war table operation where Mae sends chocolates. My favourite chocolate reference is the thing where one of the lions in the Summar Bazaar is reputed to be made of it:
"It is rumoured that one is gold, one is bronze, one is weighted with poison, one is chocolate, and one is watching. As the saying goes "dare we all a thief to test his back, and learn which is most dangerous to try deny Orlais.""
ETA: I remembered this useless minutae fair and square, although I did have to open the game to get the exact wording on the quote. This is just how my brain works. Endless trivia about Thedas/the X-Men/the name of Ned Kelly's horse? No problem. Where did I put my keys? No idea.
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Post by arvaarad on Jan 21, 2019 23:01:20 GMT
Replace being impressed with just the dismay, because I “remembered” that information by googling chocolate site:dragonage.wikia.com. OT Sidebar: can we talk about how weird it is that we have instant access to a world brain now? In some sense we had that when people invented storytelling, then even more so with writing. But now we can do it at the speed of thought, as if we’re pulling memories from our own brain. Only 2 or 3 decades ago, that kind of telepathy would be firmly in the realm of sci-fi, and now we do it like it’s nothing. And even better, the world brain is as horny as we are. Hornier, probably. Hornier than me, surely, for I am the very model of chastity. I only think on wholesome things like flowers, butterflies, supple forest boughs, dew-drenched leaves, and warm ripe fruit that drips down my chin.
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