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Post by Sylvae on Mar 12, 2019 10:01:10 GMT
Btw, any of you people got that MW Support item already? I read over at the reddit that some players did...
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Post by saandrig on Mar 12, 2019 10:43:01 GMT
Yes, they're Universal, way lower Shield/Armor gain for all javelins by design (same for lower power components, epic, rare, etc) I get that they want to trade off universitality for armor / shield, but at high difficulties this makes them... what?
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Post by Dekibra on Mar 12, 2019 10:43:31 GMT
Btw, any of you people got that MW Support item already? I read over at the reddit that some players did...
you mean like a MW wind wall ?! Thought that was a myth?
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Post by saandrig on Mar 12, 2019 10:51:41 GMT
Btw, any of you people got that MW Support item already? I read over at the reddit that some players did...
you mean like a MW wind wall ?! Thought that was a myth? None of you heard? Unequiping your Support slot boosts you up as if it has MW item in it. Or you can get a loadout with only one item equiped and if it's a Legendary (only Legendary items loadout works too) then your damage will skyrocket compared to any loadout that has even a single MW (rest Legendaries) in it. Scaling...gotta love it.
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Post by Dekibra on Mar 12, 2019 11:01:54 GMT
you mean like a MW wind wall ?! Thought that was a myth? None of you heard? Unequiping your Support slot boosts you up as if it has MW item in it. Or you can get a loadout with only one item equiped and if it's a Legendary (only Legendary items loadout works too) then your damage will skyrocket compared to any loadout that has even a single MW (rest Legendaries) in it. Scaling...gotta love it.
heard of that - so, make a new loadout, don't equip wind wall and you're God?! (but I can equip the [Q] and [E] and a weapon, yes?)
did BioWare already said anything about that? (a la if you do it we'll BAN you!!!! )
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Post by saandrig on Mar 12, 2019 11:07:24 GMT
None of you heard? Unequiping your Support slot boosts you up as if it has MW item in it. Or you can get a loadout with only one item equiped and if it's a Legendary (only Legendary items loadout works too) then your damage will skyrocket compared to any loadout that has even a single MW (rest Legendaries) in it. Scaling...gotta love it.
heard of that - so, make a new loadout, don't equip wind wall and you're God?! (but I can equip the [Q] and [E] and a weapon, yes?)
did BioWare already said anything about that? (a la if you do it we'll BAN you!!!! ) Yeah, scaling lowers your damage to match the lowest Tier item you have on. And since the Support is the only one that is Epic, your damage is scaled down. Note that if you have other Epics in the loadout, you won't benefit from unequiping the Support. Bioware is quiet as usual lately.
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Post by Sylvae on Mar 12, 2019 11:09:52 GMT
you mean like a MW wind wall ?! Thought that was a myth? None of you heard? Unequiping your Support slot boosts you up as if it has MW item in it. Or you can get a loadout with only one item equiped and if it's a Legendary (only Legendary items loadout works too) then your damage will skyrocket compared to any loadout that has even a single MW (rest Legendaries) in it. Scaling...gotta love it. Yep, read about it, wanna test it tonight (unless BW changes it till I get home from work...)
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Post by river82 on Mar 12, 2019 11:14:32 GMT
did BioWare already said anything about that? (a la if you do it we'll BAN you!!!! ) You must be fully equipped before venturing forth. BANNED!
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Post by Pounce de León on Mar 12, 2019 11:29:22 GMT
so, yesterday in Anthem was a bit better again, ran the 3 LCs and 1 Tyrant Mine SH all on GM1 and got 9 MWs for my trouble - some of those were actually useful one question though regarding that (new?) MW universal component "energency power" - is it correct that this thing increases your armor/shields by only 149?! (all the other MW components I have grant waaaayy more armor/shields...) I heard that player damage is somehow tied to gear average. If you have some shitty support gear like this consider leaving it out entirely (new frame loadout has no support gear equipped), get rid of the support gear dilution and spec the other slots as you normally would.
The higher your average, the higer your output. No idea if this is for weapons or powers only. Just picked it up casually reading some place.
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Post by Sartoz on Mar 12, 2019 12:57:12 GMT
heard of that - so, make a new loadout, don't equip wind wall and you're God?! (but I can equip the [Q] and [E] and a weapon, yes?)
did BioWare already said anything about that? (a la if you do it we'll BAN you!!!! ) Yeah, scaling lowers your damage to match the lowest Tier item you have on. And since the Support is the only one that is Epic, your damage is scaled down. Note that if you have other Epics in the loadout, you won't benefit from unequiping the Support. Bioware is quiet as usual lately.
I wonder who gave the OK to proceed with this convoluted system that is so complex any change to "fix" something tears a hole somewhere else.
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Post by PillarBiter on Mar 12, 2019 14:16:46 GMT
I get that they want to trade off universitality for armor / shield, but at high difficulties this makes them... what?
All together now: "USELESS!!!"
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Post by aznricepuff on Mar 12, 2019 14:42:33 GMT
Yeah, scaling lowers your damage to match the lowest Tier item you have on. Not true. Scaling is based on average gear score of your items. But if you have a slot unequipped, it doesn't treat that slot as a 0 but instead ignores it altogether. Since support is the only slot without MW/Legendary items, it will drag down your average unless you unequip it. The increase to ultimate/melee/combo/proc damage is not super high with this specific trick (about 20-25%, assuming all other slots are occupied with MW; this will increase the more legendaries you have equipped). To really up your damage, you need to not only unequip the support slot, but maximize the number of legendaries equipped in your other slots, including unequipping component slots that can't be filled with legendaries. EDIT: Because somehow the forum attributed the quote to the wrong person.
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Post by saandrig on Mar 12, 2019 15:07:00 GMT
Yeah, scaling lowers your damage to match the lowest Tier item you have on. Not true. Scaling is based on average gear score of your items. But if you have a slot unequipped, it doesn't treat that slot as a 0 but instead ignores it altogether. Since support is the only slot without MW/Legendary items, it will drag down your average unless you unequip it. The increase to ultimate/melee/combo/proc damage is not super high with this specific trick (about 20-25%, assuming all other slots are occupied with MW; this will increase the more legendaries you have equipped). To really up your damage, you need to not only unequip the support slot, but maximize the number of legendaries equipped in your other slots, including unequipping component slots that can't be filled with legendaries. EDIT: Because somehow the forum attributed the quote to the wrong person. So, in fewer words, the lowest Tier items you have on are lowering your damage because of scaling 😁
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Post by Thrombin on Mar 12, 2019 15:14:37 GMT
Not true. Scaling is based on average gear score of your items. But if you have a slot unequipped, it doesn't treat that slot as a 0 but instead ignores it altogether. Since support is the only slot without MW/Legendary items, it will drag down your average unless you unequip it. The increase to ultimate/melee/combo/proc damage is not super high with this specific trick (about 20-25%, assuming all other slots are occupied with MW; this will increase the more legendaries you have equipped). To really up your damage, you need to not only unequip the support slot, but maximize the number of legendaries equipped in your other slots, including unequipping component slots that can't be filled with legendaries. EDIT: Because somehow the forum attributed the quote to the wrong person. So, in fewer words, the lowest Tier items you have on are lowering your damage because of scaling 😁
The fix is easy, I should think. Just treat an unequipped slot as 0 instead of removing it from the average and all will be well.
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Post by saandrig on Mar 12, 2019 15:20:37 GMT
So, in fewer words, the lowest Tier items you have on are lowering your damage because of scaling 😁
The fix is easy, I should think. Just treat an unequipped slot as 0 instead of removing it from the average and all will be well.
We don't really know how scaling is meant to work. Your suggestion might work or it might lead to an even bigger fuckup. Like gear slot without item = 0. Then somehow the game multiplies all calculations by 0 and ends up producing 0 for armor, health, shields. Result = all new players die from any hit and deal zero damage since they got empty slots. Just an idea 😁
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Post by aznricepuff on Mar 12, 2019 15:29:14 GMT
The fix is easy, I should think. Just treat an unequipped slot as 0 instead of removing it from the average and all will be well. This would fix the exploit of unequipping items to boost scaling. But it would not change the fact that in many instances stuffing legendaries regardless of whether their intrinsic bonus or inscriptions are useful to your build is a better way of increasing DPS from those specific sources that scale from gear score than trying to optimize your MWs/inscriptions. I suppose you could argue that's a perfectly valid build strategy for the specific types of builds that really benefit from it (melee interceptor, ultimate spam builds, etc). But IMO putting together a synergistic build that takes advantage of specific MW bonuses and inscriptions should be more rewarding than just stuffing legendaries into every slot you can manage. EDIT: They should just make combos and procs scale off of whatever triggers them. Still leaves the problem of melee and ultimates (and by extension, combos/procs that trigger from those things). The most logical thing to do would be to actually introduce melee/ultimate gear, but that is also probably the most difficult option to implement.
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Post by PillarBiter on Mar 12, 2019 18:58:35 GMT
The fix is easy, I should think. Just treat an unequipped slot as 0 instead of removing it from the average and all will be well. This would fix the exploit of unequipping items to boost scaling. But it would not change the fact that in many instances stuffing legendaries regardless of whether their intrinsic bonus or inscriptions are useful to your build is a better way of increasing DPS from those specific sources that scale from gear score than trying to optimize your MWs/inscriptions. I suppose you could argue that's a perfectly valid build strategy for the specific types of builds that really benefit from it (melee interceptor, ultimate spam builds, etc). But IMO putting together a synergistic build that takes advantage of specific MW bonuses and inscriptions should be more rewarding than just stuffing legendaries into every slot you can manage. EDIT: They should just make combos and procs scale off of whatever triggers them. Still leaves the problem of melee and ultimates (and by extension, combos/procs that trigger from those things). The most logical thing to do would be to actually introduce melee/ultimate gear, but that is also probably the most difficult option to implement. Melee/ultimate/combo geAr would obviously be the (albeit long term) correct answer indeed. I understand why they used such a convoluted ayatem: because they want players of all levels and abilities to be able to play together. But methinks that could’ve been made simpler...
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Post by PillarBiter on Mar 12, 2019 21:00:01 GMT
Did my 3 legendaries today on gm1 and a LOT of loot dropped. I mean, mostly epic, but a LOT. Also, averaged 2 MWs per contract, which is unusual (dont worry, nothing useful ). Stupid luck? Or increased drops? Anyone else?
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Post by Energizer Bunny 211 on Mar 12, 2019 21:22:21 GMT
Did Mathias' "Raban Maur" Contract.... Was quite fun, progressed quite far....Got booted with a weird emssage about "Unable to Sync Pilot Data...." (that's 2x today)....Got back into it okay, continued from where I left off....Made more progress- then totally got demolished by a whole horde of nasties that just kept coming.....Specially the ones that puff up to look like a kernel of popcorn and then explode to spray acid all over you. NASTY! I was doing so well....holding off wave after wave like Cmdr Shepard at the Battle of Elysium. Then I got cluster F&*^%$# and couldn't recover.
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Post by Sylvae on Mar 12, 2019 21:42:26 GMT
So, confirmed: I tried my mellee+ulti Ranger MW build without support item (Mustering Point) and increase in damage was pretty obvious, especially in GM2 Freeplay, I was able to solo it again, and rather easy to that matter. I did die a few times but mainly because I ran out of places to dash to (stupid arcanists kneeling at the worst places... ).
EDIT: But drops sucked, plethora of Epic items and several of Rares, but like 1-2 MWs per session only.
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Post by Dekibra on Mar 12, 2019 21:50:03 GMT
Did my 3 legendaries today on gm1 and a LOT of loot dropped. I mean, mostly epic, but a LOT. Also, averaged 2 MWs per contract, which is unusual (dont worry, nothing useful ). Stupid luck? Or increased drops? Anyone else? Stupid luck ran the 3 LCs on GM1 as well and got nothing (only the guaranteed MWs) ... but come to think of it, I did observe an increase today… in blues EDIT: maybe I‘ll be brave tomorrow and switch javelins and try GM1 LCs with my big mama … probably fail hard (No MW component for her) but alas maybe I‘ll be rewarded with golden/orange loot… one can dream ya know
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Post by Deleted on Mar 12, 2019 22:20:34 GMT
One of the LCs kept going and going and going … thought for a bit that maybe it bugged out. Looked at the objective to see if I was missing something I should kill to end the hordes … nope. It was just a really loooooong, extended wave. Then, it ended.
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Acid bonuses … got a lot of them now for the Colossus … ~200%, running venom spewer … great debuff, plus some nice combos with the mortar.
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Post by NotN7 on Mar 12, 2019 22:58:04 GMT
K in the Legendary drop thread I started to do some comparison test I did the 3 legendary and the daily stronghold I got 7 MW I have run 9 contracts actually 10 and all we {running pugs) got were epic so take the info. for what you will but me I think Bioware is trying to do the lvl/gear balance which is ok But! give us our strongholds back! and give us more Legendary contracts low lvl toons can do normal contracts all day to gear up the Epics. then hit the MW wall some of us have hit oops sorry playing at GM1 lvl.
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Post by midnight tea on Mar 12, 2019 23:05:12 GMT
After playing the Tyrant mine last night with friends doing the story, it reappeared on my map … maybe playing it with others returned it to playable condition That's what I heard is a workaround - I haven't been impacted, but I heard that those who are should run it with a group (either quickplay or invited by someone) to get things back to normal.
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Post by NotN7 on Mar 12, 2019 23:22:01 GMT
After playing the Tyrant mine last night with friends doing the story, it reappeared on my map … maybe playing it with others returned it to playable condition That's what I heard is a workaround - I haven't been impacted, but I heard that those who are should run it with a group (either quickplay or invited by someone) to get things back to normal. Sadly I did that last night with my new pilot but no joy all I have is Heart of rage
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