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Post by pessimistpanda on Feb 3, 2019 3:07:01 GMT
I heard all the BioWare staff committed ritual suicide after that takedown video by RageGamer420.
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Post by pessimistpanda on Feb 4, 2019 22:47:16 GMT
They're interested in any game that sells. If you keep buying SP games, EA will notice, and they will fund SP games.
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Post by gangrelbeckett on Feb 4, 2019 22:55:44 GMT
They're interested in any game that sells. If you keep buying SP games, EA will notice, and they will fund SP games. Of course they do but outside Respawn Star Wars Jedi Fallen Order, C&C Remakes and maybe DA 4 that do they have for SP players in the future?
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Post by degs29 on Feb 5, 2019 20:01:23 GMT
I don't think you should be worried about whether DA4 is going to be made or not, it definitely is. The more pressing issue is how Anthems success or lack there of is going to affect what kind of game DA4 will be. That's my fear as well. If Anthem is a runaway success, I'm worried they'll incorporate the same type of multiplayer into DA. Similarly, if the game bombs, but the microtransactions still make them a lot of money, to what degree are they going to monetize DA to hedge their bets?
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Post by thats1evildude on Feb 5, 2019 20:04:50 GMT
I doubt that will be the case. I played the demo. Anthem is not going to bomb like Fallout 76, but it's not going to be a runaway hit either, especially with February being a busy month release-wise.
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Post by gangrelbeckett on Feb 5, 2019 22:56:17 GMT
I doubt that will be the case. I played the demo. Anthem is not going to bomb like Fallout 76, but it's not going to be a runaway hit either, especially with February being a busy month release-wise. It depends if EA really expect to sell 5 to 6 million units before March 31st 2019 and its misses this goal, maybe only half of that well i wouldn´t be shocked if Bioware had layoff
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Post by isaidlunch on Feb 6, 2019 0:30:13 GMT
I doubt that will be the case. I played the demo. Anthem is not going to bomb like Fallout 76, but it's not going to be a runaway hit either, especially with February being a busy month release-wise. It depends if EA really expect to sell 5 to 6 million units before March 31st 2019 and its misses this goal, maybe only half of that well i wouldn´t be shocked if Bioware had layoff
Missing 5 million would be extremely pathetic and I wouldn't blame EA for shutting them down. If anything, it seems like EA is showing mercy to them by giving them such a low target.
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Post by Heimdall on Feb 6, 2019 0:48:41 GMT
It depends if EA really expect to sell 5 to 6 million units before March 31st 2019 and its misses this goal, maybe only half of that well i wouldn´t be shocked if Bioware had layoff
Missing 5 million would be extremely pathetic and I wouldn't blame EA for shutting them down. If anything, it seems like EA is showing mercy to them by giving them such a low target. I need some perspective, how does that target compare to competitors and the initial sales of similar games? I honestly have no idea whether the target is realistic. These projections are based probably on preorder data, so unless EA is completely out of their minds it will probably be achievable as long as the game doesn’t utterly fall flat on release.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Feb 6, 2019 1:05:28 GMT
Missing 5 million would be extremely pathetic and I wouldn't blame EA for shutting them down. If anything, it seems like EA is showing mercy to them by giving them such a low target. I need some perspective, how does that target compare to competitors and the initial sales of similar games? I honestly have no idea whether the target is realistic. These projections are based probably on preorder data, so unless EA is completely out of their minds it will probably be achievable as long as the game doesn’t utterly fall flat on release. Since it is the game everyone seems to compare it too, Destiny sold 6.3 million copies in its first month of sales.
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Post by Ieldra on Feb 6, 2019 12:25:54 GMT
I need some perspective, how does that target compare to competitors and the initial sales of similar games? I honestly have no idea whether the target is realistic. These projections are based probably on preorder data, so unless EA is completely out of their minds it will probably be achievable as long as the game doesn’t utterly fall flat on release. Since it is the game everyone seems to compare it too, Destiny sold 6.3 million copies in its first month of sales. Uh....wasn't it considered unsuccessful? Hard to imagine with 6.3 million....
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Post by ergates on Feb 6, 2019 13:16:53 GMT
Speaking as someone who regards Dragon Age Origins as the best videogame ever made, I'm quite alarmed to discover that I'm indifferent to whether or not DA:4 goes live.
I know nothing about Anthem, I have zero interest in it. All I know is that it's yet another in a near-endless succession of multiplayer-only games that are now being churned out by AAA developers. Without knowing any details I'd imagine it's similar in concept to either Overwatch or Fallout 76 - either way I don't care about it, or any other multiplayer-only game for that matter. If this is the path that Bioware now wants to go down with their titles, they can count me out.
If DA:4 ever comes out I'm going to assume right now that it's going to be mainly multiplayer focused, maybe with some kind of superficial single player feature bolted on over the top. It will be developed 100% with consoles in mind, and designed to appeal to the 'broadest possible audience' with most (if not all) of the RPG elements utterly streamlined or removed entirely. It will likely be another open world game, stuffed with MMO-style fetch quests, probably including some kind of mandatory PvP in the style of Fallout 76. They'll probably take some minor enemy from a previous game and use them for the 'big bad', or create some kind of hackneyed and contrived "Solas has gone mad and wants to destroy the world" plot.
And that's my pre-conception of the game. I find it better that way. Better to have no, or at least very, very low expectations. I went into Inquisition full of anticipation and excitement - and ended up feeling utterly let down, all my anticipation wasted. ME Andromeda was slightly better, but (at least in my opinion) it was still a very shallow experience when compared to earlier titles. Not making the same mistake with DA:4. I expect nothing - and if it actually turns out (by some miracle) to be a genuinely good game after all, and all my predictions are wrong then I'll be pleasantly surprised.
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Post by ergates on Feb 6, 2019 13:29:59 GMT
I’m sorry but this is some conspiracy theory bullshit. Dantics confirmed that whoever leaked the screenshot got it from a play test he attended. There’s zero indication that this was some insider effort to gauge consumer reaction. Especially since the idea that $1 = 100 shards is purely speculative and not revealed by any leak. That isn’t a universal exchange rate that all MTX models use, Warframe doesn’t for example. Oh, only the wise channel their irrational loathing of a video game publisher into the wallets of clickbait YouTube channels willing to tell them what they want to hear because negative spin get’s the most clicks? People will give you a lot if only you’ll feed them they idea that their preconceptions were right. That may have been unfair. I can understand people being wary of the publisher after some of their decisions, but so many people seem to have allowed that distrust to metastasize into a self feeding toxicity that seems less interested in deciding whether a game is good (and responding in a rational manner by buying or not buying it then) and more interested in punishing the company because of past mistakes. I don’t like EA upper management, I think they’re remarkable out of touch and oblivious in their decision making at times, but that doesn’t make the mob mentality of their detractors any more “wise”. This is something that has bugged me for months. You can be skeptical of a company’s decisions without forming a hate circlejerk that appends “but it’s EA, so they’ll definitely fuck it up” and the most nefarious of intentions to even the most positive impressions about a game to assert how “wise” they are to their peers. As for the topic of the thread. I don’t think you have anything to worry about. They wouldn’t have teased DA4 in December if it had not already been greenlit for production. Anthem will succeed in initial sales, all indications are that preorders have been strong. So I very much doubt that will be an issue. I actually think EA is realizing their decision to reduce the number of releases they do has made each release a bigger risk and will probably be looking to develop more of their franchises going forward. This nonsense has been going on since DA2. I joined BSN around 2012, a few months after the game came out. I was so in love with it, and eager to connect with other fans. What I found was a viper's nest of hatred and vitriol. I was super disappointed, and even began to doubt my own taste and opinions. I played DAO, since this was universally lauded as he far superior game, and didn't enjoy it as much as DA2. But again, I thought, maybe I am just a less sophisticated gamer. Surely, all these extremely loud and vulgar people know better than me. Then ME3 came out. I was very, very curious, because I'd never played a space RPG, and so I started reading about the plot, and the characters, and the romance possibilities. I so enjoyed my Hawkes and their romances and that fun world that I decided to give ME3 a try. But then ME3 came out, and it happened all over again. I changed my mind. Surely, the critics were right. This must be the worst game BioWare had ever produced. Well, eventually I couldn't take it anymore. I kept seeing videos of playthroughs, and I was falling in love with Kaidan in particular and wondering what my Shepard would look like, so I finally bought the game and played it in two weeks at my brother in law's house (didn't have my own xbox at the time). Wow. I'd never been so emotionally moved by a game EVER. I was CRYING as the credits rolled. I quickly bought an xbox for myself and bought the entire trilogy. Freaking. Loved it. Read online that "ME2 was the best of the trilogy," found myself disagreeing, yet again; for me it was a tie between 1 and 3. But again, I wondered if I was just ignorant of such things. (I particularly disliked ME2 because the female characters all thought I wanted to sleep with them, and it was very awkward and embarrassing, but despite that, still a pretty fun game... despite the silly giant robot baby at the end lmao). Next up, DAI: Whelp, at this point I knew not to listen to BioWare "fans." I preordered. I was fiercely disappointed by the romances, but I played that damn game. Then mods came out, and I played it even more, and more, and again and again, and damn it, I enjoyed it. Then MEA came out. All that romance drama happened, and I was bummed, but DAMN IT I BOUGHT IT AND PLAYED IT. And. I liked it. I loved it. People making reasonable criticisms had me nodding along with them; people on BSN screaming about SJW and dumbing down the game and EAWare got insta-blocks from me. So yeah, I'm gonna buy DA4, no question, and I bet I'm gonna love it, and all the people who lose their fucking minds over a woman with a square jaw or an undercut can just scream their asses off into oblivion cause I got their asses blocked and can't see it anyway xD What a thoroughly enjoyable post. The thumbs up button doesn't seem to do a lot when I click it, so not sure if I managed to give it a thumbs up or not - but consider it 'thumbed in spirit'. I don't share your optimism about the forthcoming game, and I'm far more critical about things - but I agree with your position on toxic fan rage. Any person who uses the phrase 'SWJ' or anything similar also gets an instant block from me
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Post by bizantura on Feb 8, 2019 23:09:29 GMT
Even if DA4 gets made I don't expect much story wise. You need writers for good stories I don't see them.
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Post by Artemis on Feb 8, 2019 23:20:02 GMT
Even if DA4 gets made I don't expect much story wise. You need writers for good stories I don't see them. Were you a big David Gaider fan? Because all the other writers are still there, I think.
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Post by colfoley on Feb 8, 2019 23:20:57 GMT
Even if DA4 gets made I don't expect much story wise. You need writers for good stories I don't see them. Were you a big David Gaider fan? Because all the other writers are still there, I think. I guess Patrick Weekes isn't a writer.
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Post by sjsharp2010 on Feb 8, 2019 23:27:40 GMT
For me I think it may well depend on how well Anthem is received. Although I don't personally care for it I hope Bioware does find some success with Anthem because I do fear that Bioware's existence could well depend on it. Although I'm not interested in Anthem DA4 will be on my must buy list once it releases just like all the previous DA and ME games have been.
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Post by warden on Feb 9, 2019 20:20:41 GMT
Were you a big David Gaider fan? Because all the other writers are still there, I think. I guess Patrick Weekes isn't a writer. Well, the guy that started this asked for good writers. Weekes clearly isn't one.
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Post by colfoley on Feb 9, 2019 20:25:27 GMT
I guess Patrick Weekes isn't a writer. Well, the guy that started this asked for good writers. Weekes clearly isn't one. actually he asked for writers period. He asked for good stories.
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Post by warden on Feb 9, 2019 20:27:46 GMT
Well, the guy that started this asked for good writers. Weekes clearly isn't one. actually he asked for writers period. He asked for good stories. oh lolz, I read his comment backwards, thanks for the fixing.
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Post by Ieldra on Feb 10, 2019 8:46:37 GMT
I’m sorry but this is some conspiracy theory bullshit. Dantics confirmed that whoever leaked the screenshot got it from a play test he attended. There’s zero indication that this was some insider effort to gauge consumer reaction. Especially since the idea that $1 = 100 shards is purely speculative and not revealed by any leak. That isn’t a universal exchange rate that all MTX models use, Warframe doesn’t for example. Oh, only the wise channel their irrational loathing of a video game publisher into the wallets of clickbait YouTube channels willing to tell them what they want to hear because negative spin get’s the most clicks? People will give you a lot if only you’ll feed them they idea that their preconceptions were right. That may have been unfair. I can understand people being wary of the publisher after some of their decisions, but so many people seem to have allowed that distrust to metastasize into a self feeding toxicity that seems less interested in deciding whether a game is good (and responding in a rational manner by buying or not buying it then) and more interested in punishing the company because of past mistakes. I don’t like EA upper management, I think they’re remarkable out of touch and oblivious in their decision making at times, but that doesn’t make the mob mentality of their detractors any more “wise”. This is something that has bugged me for months. You can be skeptical of a company’s decisions without forming a hate circlejerk that appends “but it’s EA, so they’ll definitely fuck it up” and the most nefarious of intentions to even the most positive impressions about a game to assert how “wise” they are to their peers. As for the topic of the thread. I don’t think you have anything to worry about. They wouldn’t have teased DA4 in December if it had not already been greenlit for production. Anthem will succeed in initial sales, all indications are that preorders have been strong. So I very much doubt that will be an issue. I actually think EA is realizing their decision to reduce the number of releases they do has made each release a bigger risk and will probably be looking to develop more of their franchises going forward. This nonsense has been going on since DA2. I joined BSN around 2012, a few months after the game came out. I was so in love with it, and eager to connect with other fans. What I found was a viper's nest of hatred and vitriol. I was super disappointed, and even began to doubt my own taste and opinions. I played DAO, since this was universally lauded as he far superior game, and didn't enjoy it as much as DA2. But again, I thought, maybe I am just a less sophisticated gamer. Surely, all these extremely loud and vulgar people know better than me. Then ME3 came out. I was very, very curious, because I'd never played a space RPG, and so I started reading about the plot, and the characters, and the romance possibilities. I so enjoyed my Hawkes and their romances and that fun world that I decided to give ME3 a try. But then ME3 came out, and it happened all over again. I changed my mind. Surely, the critics were right. This must be the worst game BioWare had ever produced. Well, eventually I couldn't take it anymore. I kept seeing videos of playthroughs, and I was falling in love with Kaidan in particular and wondering what my Shepard would look like, so I finally bought the game and played it in two weeks at my brother in law's house (didn't have my own xbox at the time). Wow. I'd never been so emotionally moved by a game EVER. I was CRYING as the credits rolled. I quickly bought an xbox for myself and bought the entire trilogy. Freaking. Loved it. Read online that "ME2 was the best of the trilogy," found myself disagreeing, yet again; for me it was a tie between 1 and 3. But again, I wondered if I was just ignorant of such things. (I particularly disliked ME2 because the female characters all thought I wanted to sleep with them, and it was very awkward and embarrassing, but despite that, still a pretty fun game... despite the silly giant robot baby at the end lmao). Next up, DAI: Whelp, at this point I knew not to listen to BioWare "fans." I preordered. I was fiercely disappointed by the romances, but I played that damn game. Then mods came out, and I played it even more, and more, and again and again, and damn it, I enjoyed it. Then MEA came out. All that romance drama happened, and I was bummed, but DAMN IT I BOUGHT IT AND PLAYED IT. And. I liked it. I loved it. People making reasonable criticisms had me nodding along with them; people on BSN screaming about SJW and dumbing down the game and EAWare got insta-blocks from me. So yeah, I'm gonna buy DA4, no question, and I bet I'm gonna love it, and all the people who lose their fucking minds over a woman with a square jaw or an undercut can just scream their asses off into oblivion cause I got their asses blocked and can't see it anyway xD *chuckles*
Thanks for that, it needs to be said now and then. The Fan Dumb can get annyoing at times. Having said that, I'm with you on ME (I like 1 and 3 best, apart from the ending which is a separate matter) but also think DAO was the best DA game. I also agree with some of the criticism you're blocking, of DAI in particular, in that retroactively changing the demographics of a fictional world that is not Earth or a follow-up of Earth can damage its integrity, and what I experience as normal in MEA comes across as artificial in DAI. It's probably best not to get into that any more here, especially since it doesn't matter all that much to the game itself.
As for DA4, I look forward to it, but I'm not quite as optimistic as you are. They said they're moving to a "live service" model, which probably means they plan to add content piecemeal to extend the time new players might become interested in the game. I'm not necessarily against that - I tend to stick with a game for a long time anyway - but whether that works in a story-driven game remains to be seen. DAI - which I do like, just to be clear about that - already suffered from the fact that too many areas were insufficiently integrated into the main story, as opposed to, say, ME3, which did that very well, and the new business model might result in disconnected content.
In any case, I think for any game, it's as important to offer praise for things done well as it is to offer criticism of things done not-so-well. I can, for instance, love the more tightly-knit story they made for DA2 and the roleplaying possibilities created by it, have a mild dislike of Hawke being more defined because of it, dislike the streamlined companion interactions, and hate the combat encounter mechanics and generally the fighting at the same time.
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Post by dark187 on Feb 10, 2019 12:30:01 GMT
Well EA have a reputation of closing down studios if they don't meet their expectations. Since Andromeda was a financial and critical failure, consumer confidence is low, impending industry crash, people are worried that if Anthem fails that EA will close Bioware down and we won't get another DA or ME. While I don't think Anthem will fail hard, it won't be the success that EA want, what that will translate to for the future of BW who knows.
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Post by dark187 on Feb 10, 2019 12:32:52 GMT
For me I think it may well depend on how well Anthem is received. Although I don't personally care for it I hope Bioware does find some success with Anthem because I do fear that Bioware's existence could well depend on it. Although I'm not interested in Anthem DA4 will be on my must buy list once it releases just like all the previous DA and ME games have been. These are my feeling also. I hope the playerbase for Anthem get what they want and the game is a moderate success but mainly for selfish reasons.
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Post by sjsharp2010 on Feb 10, 2019 13:53:11 GMT
For me I think it may well depend on how well Anthem is received. Although I don't personally care for it I hope Bioware does find some success with Anthem because I do fear that Bioware's existence could well depend on it. Although I'm not interested in Anthem DA4 will be on my must buy list once it releases just like all the previous DA and ME games have been. These are my feeling also. I hope the playerbase for Anthem get what they want and the game is a moderate success but mainly for selfish reasons. Yeah I want them to find some success with Anthem and I don't begrudge them trying something different as every company needs to do that from time to time whether it works or not. Because for me even the supposedly bad games such as DA2 and MEA are still a lot of fun to play at least for me. In fact just finished Act 1 of DA2 again yesterday in my latest playthrough and today I plan on going back to ME2 and finishing it and starting ME3 as I've only got the IFF mission, Legion's loyalty and the Suicide mission itself to go as I've pretty much done everything else.
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Post by masterwarderz on Feb 10, 2019 19:07:47 GMT
Were you a big David Gaider fan? Because all the other writers are still there, I think. I guess Patrick Weekes isn't a writer. God no he isn't. I've read more pleasing fanfiction then that man's drivel.
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