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Post by ahglock on Feb 27, 2019 2:55:53 GMT
pretty darn small? Says the life form coming from a galaxy populated by giant planet hopping acid spitting worms that can crush a reaper and space faring murder bots Yeah...sure, let's all go to Andromeda with weaponless ships and rovers Rovers aren't really on point. The reason vehicle combat isn't in was because Bio never found a way to make vehicle combat fun, not because the AI was opposed to bringing weapons on ground missions. As for armed ships, under what circumstances would they be useful? An Andromeda race which hasn't discovered mass effect drives can't threaten the AI fleet whether it's armed or not. If an Andromeda race does have the mass effect drive, it's shortly going to outclass any possible AI fleet, whether it's armed or not. What's the use case for guns on the arks? But yeah, wrong board. They would be useful in any and all encounters before you reach a full scale war scenario. So pretty much all of them. Yes, armed or not makes no difference once you are talking about fighting an entire race and its fleets. But, that is a last stage situation. You've probably had dozens of encounters up to that point and would have bought time to come up with a plan B, find places to hide in the cluster, go to another cluster etc.
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Post by alanc9 on Feb 27, 2019 3:09:14 GMT
Rovers aren't really on point. The reason vehicle combat isn't in was because Bio never found a way to make vehicle combat fun, not because the AI was opposed to bringing weapons on ground missions. As for armed ships, under what circumstances would they be useful? An Andromeda race which hasn't discovered mass effect drives can't threaten the AI fleet whether it's armed or not. If an Andromeda race does have the mass effect drive, it's shortly going to outclass any possible AI fleet, whether it's armed or not. What's the use case for guns on the arks? But yeah, wrong board. They would be useful in any and all encounters before you reach a full scale war scenario. So pretty much all of them. Yes, armed or not makes no difference once you are talking about fighting an entire race and its fleets. But, that is a last stage situation. You've probably had dozens of encounters up to that point and would have bought time to come up with a plan B, find places to hide in the cluster, go to another cluster etc. If the guns could have been put on the ships for free, that argument might be compelling. If you get to dozens of encounters, you're doomed anyway. The AI ships aren't set up to exist for long without colonising a planet, and any hypothetical hostile race will know where those are.
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Post by dropzofcrimzon on Feb 27, 2019 3:17:33 GMT
Btw
This is worth watching...start at 23 minutes in or so for something that points at a reboot pretty obviously
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Post by cypherj on Feb 27, 2019 3:58:06 GMT
Btw This is worth watching...start at 23 minutes in or so for something that points at a reboot pretty obviously This one sums up my feeling about the game exactly. Enjoyable combat, fun to fly around, pretty to look at, but pretty much everything else. Story, mission design, customization, content, interface, tether system, etc leaves much to be desired.
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Post by saandrig on Feb 27, 2019 7:59:14 GMT
"My personal view is that this is just not a PC game — there is flying in the game, and maneuvering your flying character is like driving a car; the controls just don't work well for that on PC, and they work flawlessly on (video game consoles)," he said. Pachter predicted the console reviews of "Anthem" will likely be 10 points higher on average than their PC counterpart. He described such a score as "still bad, but not a disaster." [/i][/quote] Yeaaah, no. I don't recall any PC review slamming the flying controls 😁 This guy must be a few weeks behind us and still living in VIP demo world. Heck, even swimming is good on PC now. Underwater is great. Good laugh, true 😂
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Post by Pounce de León on Feb 27, 2019 8:45:31 GMT
Btw This is worth watching...start at 23 minutes in or so for something that points at a reboot pretty obviously This one sums up my feeling about the game exactly. Enjoyable combat, fun to fly around, pretty to look at, but pretty much everything else. Story, mission design, customization, content, interface, tether system, etc leaves much to be desired. Reminded me of the original pitch. Anthem of creation. World shaping events. Is there anything like that? It was cqnned because it dint work out? Instead it'll be tweaked skybox and variants of enemies spawning. I kinda expected more than that.
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Post by saandrig on Feb 27, 2019 11:04:46 GMT
Reminded me of the original pitch. Anthem of creation. World shaping events. Is there anything like that? It was cqnned because it dint work out? Instead it'll be tweaked skybox and variants of enemies spawning. I kinda expected more than that. I am putting down the 2017 E3 as the time when the big fat lies about Anthem began. The gameplay trailer is like from a completely different game which Anthem clones with 5% of the budget.
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Post by lennybusker on Feb 27, 2019 23:07:27 GMT
www.gaminginstincts.com/anthem-the-final-verdict-our-review/ (6.0/10.0) Another fairly in-depth review. Hits a lot of good points but I'd like to highlight one thing: A truly critical mind-set would award Anthem with a lower [score], and I wanted to give it a higher one because I love Anthem, but it pragmatically does not deserve it in its current state. We’re giving Anthem a 6.0 out of 10. It has absolutely enormous potential, and sadly doesn’t really live up to it at this point. Despite its issues, Anthem’s world is still a stunning one, and the game is undeniably fun to play. It is beautifully flawed, and really hasn’t come into its own yet; plagued by frustrations and underwhelming engagement Anthem is a mere shadow of what it could have been. It does, however, still achieve a worthwhile experience, especially for those who don’t mind waiting for when this creeping caterpillar eventually blossoms into an all-looting all-shooting butterfly.Despite me not liking him personally, Angry Joe's review and extended discussion highlights that the deeper you dig into the game, the more problems there are, and the more I've thought about it and played myself (65 hours, almost all 4 javs masterworked) the more I think that even a 6/10 is too generous. And I think an even lower score would have been even better for the game, because while a solid 60 on metacritic is certainly not what Bioware wanted, I'm not seeing the fire lit under them that I expected. There could be a lot of reasons for that - for all we know they are in full thermonuclear meltdown mode already in the office - but I think the game coming in as a 4/10 from more outlets would have been an even better wake up call. Not to mention a better warning to any future studios putting out unfinished games and relying on the GAAS model's promise of a better future to tide people over.
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Post by Coronavirus on Feb 28, 2019 5:44:41 GMT
Rovers aren't really on point. The reason vehicle combat isn't in was because Bio never found a way to make vehicle combat fun, not because the AI was opposed to bringing weapons on ground missions. As for armed ships, under what circumstances would they be useful? An Andromeda race which hasn't discovered mass effect drives can't threaten the AI fleet whether it's armed or not. If an Andromeda race does have the mass effect drive, it's shortly going to outclass any possible AI fleet, whether it's armed or not. What's the use case for guns on the arks? But yeah, wrong board. They would be useful in any and all encounters before you reach a full scale war scenario. So pretty much all of them. Yes, armed or not makes no difference once you are talking about fighting an entire race and its fleets. But, that is a last stage situation. You've probably had dozens of encounters up to that point and would have bought time to come up with a plan B, find places to hide in the cluster, go to another cluster etc. Oh here we go, the Internet military strategists are here to discuss how to do war. Tempered in the fires of a thousand Warhammer 40,000 battles and veterans of the after school chess club, they know how it’s done.
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Post by ahglock on Feb 28, 2019 6:06:46 GMT
They would be useful in any and all encounters before you reach a full scale war scenario. So pretty much all of them. Yes, armed or not makes no difference once you are talking about fighting an entire race and its fleets. But, that is a last stage situation. You've probably had dozens of encounters up to that point and would have bought time to come up with a plan B, find places to hide in the cluster, go to another cluster etc. Oh here we go, the Internet military strategists are here to discuss how to do war. Tempered in the fires of a thousand Warhammer 40,000 battles and veterans of the after school chess club, they know how it’s done. Whatever dude. You’re the insulting people on the internet. Some of us are just using the brilliant super advanced military theory of having a weapon can help.
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Post by Kedan on Feb 28, 2019 8:34:13 GMT
What does the Andromeda Initiative’s arming choices have to do with Anthem review scores? Isn’t there an entire sub forum or three for ME:A?
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Post by The Biotic Trebuchet on Feb 28, 2019 11:25:44 GMT
To the people that choose over 6, what's your prerogative?
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Post by Superhik on Feb 28, 2019 11:48:55 GMT
www.gaminginstincts.com/anthem-the-final-verdict-our-review/ (6.0/10.0) Another fairly in-depth review. Hits a lot of good points but I'd like to highlight one thing: A truly critical mind-set would award Anthem with a lower [score], and I wanted to give it a higher one because I love Anthem, but it pragmatically does not deserve it in its current state. We’re giving Anthem a 6.0 out of 10. It has absolutely enormous potential, and sadly doesn’t really live up to it at this point. Despite its issues, Anthem’s world is still a stunning one, and the game is undeniably fun to play. It is beautifully flawed, and really hasn’t come into its own yet; plagued by frustrations and underwhelming engagement Anthem is a mere shadow of what it could have been. It does, however, still achieve a worthwhile experience, especially for those who don’t mind waiting for when this creeping caterpillar eventually blossoms into an all-looting all-shooting butterfly.Despite me not liking him personally, Angry Joe's review and extended discussion highlights that the deeper you dig into the game, the more problems there are, and the more I've thought about it and played myself (65 hours, almost all 4 javs masterworked) the more I think that even a 6/10 is too generous. And I think an even lower score would have been even better for the game, because while a solid 60 on metacritic is certainly not what Bioware wanted, I'm not seeing the fire lit under them that I expected. There could be a lot of reasons for that - for all we know they are in full thermonuclear meltdown mode already in the office - but I think the game coming in as a 4/10 from more outlets would have been an even better wake up call. Not to mention a better warning to any future studios putting out unfinished games and relying on the GAAS model's promise of a better future to tide people over. That's one of best reviews, especially when it comes to combat. It is flashy and well animated with some very good sound design ( when it comes to player movement and abilities)...but absolutely awful when it comes to precision, feedback, encounter design, enemy AI, boss battles, and as a whole is simply too shallow.
I guess this is what sells in this "genre": it's more about instant thrill with "ka-chiing" visual/audio effects than anything else.
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Post by alanc9 on Feb 28, 2019 20:49:44 GMT
Oh here we go, the Internet military strategists are here to discuss how to do war. Tempered in the fires of a thousand Warhammer 40,000 battles and veterans of the after school chess club, they know how it’s done. Whatever dude. You’re the insulting people on the internet. Some of us are just using the brilliant super advanced military theory of having a weapon can help. And some of us are pointing out that weapons don't help when engaging in battle can't advance your mission goals. Ignore RoR; he doesn't seem to be doing anything on this board except pointless trolling. Another disappointed Anthem fan working out his butthurt.
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Post by ahglock on Feb 28, 2019 21:08:57 GMT
Whatever dude. You’re the insulting people on the internet. Some of us are just using the brilliant super advanced military theory of having a weapon can help. And some of us are pointing out that weapons don't help when engaging in battle can't advance your mission goals. Ignore RoR; he doesn't seem to be doing anything on this board except pointless trolling. Another disappointed Anthem fan working out his butthurt. And I have no issue with that. I disagree but whatever. You didn’t come in and just demean people for disagreeing with you. I was dropping it and not continuing the discussion as this isn’t the right thread for it but I didn’t feel like putting up with being insulted.
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Post by Coronavirus on Mar 1, 2019 4:54:03 GMT
Whatever dude. You’re the insulting people on the internet. Some of us are just using the brilliant super advanced military theory of having a weapon can help. And some of us are pointing out that weapons don't help when engaging in battle can't advance your mission goals. Ignore RoR; he doesn't seem to be doing anything on this board except pointless trolling. Another disappointed Anthem fan working out his butthurt. I am very “butthurt” as you put it. And so should anybody who calls themselves a true BioWare fan.
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Post by dropzofcrimzon on Mar 1, 2019 12:07:23 GMT
What does the Andromeda Initiative’s arming choices have to do with Anthem review scores? Isn’t there an entire sub forum or three for ME:A? I made an unfortunate quip about the writers a few pages back Sorry
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Post by alanc9 on Mar 1, 2019 15:39:38 GMT
Thanks. I couldn't remember whose fault it was.
(Well, actually, it's Anthem's fault for not being more interesting than ME:A)
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Post by dropzofcrimzon on Mar 1, 2019 17:25:57 GMT
Also this
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Post by ahglock on Mar 1, 2019 20:00:02 GMT
Thanks. I couldn't remember whose fault it was. (Well, actually, it's Anthem's fault for not being more interesting than ME:A) That’s a quality burn. Well done.
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Post by dropzofcrimzon on Mar 3, 2019 13:25:48 GMT
Ouch
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Post by cypherj on Mar 3, 2019 13:54:37 GMT
I wouldn't be shocked if every bit of this happened with Anthem. Around 6:20 in just shows this was probably the case in some form.
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Post by river82 on Mar 3, 2019 22:46:58 GMT
Attempted short video summary: Game systems shape player behaviour - Bioware has messed up the reward and difficulty of the game. The nerf had already been implemented, the banning of Gladd was poor, tactically inept given the already bad press with Anthem. Blizzard has done the same thing with a streamer, ex-Blizzard staff has told Bellular they were specifically sending him a message, that move may have ended up being a net negative for Blizzard. Bioware may have over-reacted and was incredibly short-sighted. This was free negative press for Anthem on a wide scale at a time they wouldn't have wanted it. The gaming press is incredibly predictable and therefore easy to exploit (free tips to game developers). Companies often seem to misunderstand player behaviour and this is a pretty good example, like the guy playing Fallout 76 getting banned for "too much ammo".
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