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So, are you arguing the MET's obsession with T&A (not exclusive to ME in any way, shape, or form, but hard to argue otherwise) is a good thing or a bad thing?
At the time, I just thought it was standard practice in the industry.
They grow and change. Liara, Mordin, and Wrex are the only characters in the MET that have anything like that and it took them 3 games to grow. They also don't dwell on their daddy issues which is a huge plus from the MET.
I agree, but Liara, Mordin and Wrex are not the only characters, nor did they take three games to grow. Mordin wasn't even in the first game. Liara changed more from ME1 to ME2 than from ME2 to ME3, so it technically took her two games as well. Wrex, same story. As for the rest of the characters, Jack grew. So did Tali. And Legion. Even Jacob grew from ME2 to ME3, but not in a way that people liked, just like happens sometimes in real life.
Alec Ryder was a bad dad and was basically an useful idiot and he was the worst character in MEA. I don't see why everybody loves that loser. He's the Joel Miller (from The Last of Us series) in MEA in that he's an awful character who have no real redeeming qualities.
Ryder had daddy issues, obviously. And honestly, Liam is worse than Ryder.
MEA had a great cast of characters and it laid a foundation for a truly great sequel like ME1 was at best an average game that got a much better sequels.
Nope. ME1 was the pinnacle of the series in multiple ways. ME2 made the franchise a fancy Gears of War with good characters at the cost of world-building and plot consistency.
If the remaster balances the quality between all three games, people will finally see how great ME1 actually was.
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To start, MEA was not a failure since it was a financial success (this cannot be argued) and most people who played Mass Effect like all four games
Sure, it was like the first triple A game since 2007/2008 not to have any DLC or any kind of long term SP/MP support. two months after publication you could buy it for like $14,99. youtube and gif sites were overflowing with mass effect mocking on metacritic is 71-49 It had a 100milion budget and we don't even have official sales number. bioware montreal was shut down like 6 months after the release.
All the clues lead us there. A huge, massive success. C'mon...
Star Trek: The Motion Picture opened to a lukewarm box office take meaning it made enough to cover it's cost, but it did not make the money what Paramount wanted in the wake of films like Star Wars, Alien, and Close Encounters of the Third Kind and it also got mixed reviews and fan reactions and yet it spawned 12 sequels movies and helped to launch 9 TV shows later that are still going strong to this day.
If MEA was the bomb you say EA would never do MET remaster let alone a brand new game. It made money maybe not what EA and/or BioWare was hoping for but enough to get new projects made.
Last Edit: Nov 16, 2020 15:19:06 GMT by Cyberstrike
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1) I would rather be hated for being honest than being loved as a liar.
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So, are you arguing the MET's obsession with T&A (not exclusive to ME in any way, shape, or form, but hard to argue otherwise) is a good thing or a bad thing?
At the time, I just thought it was standard practice in the industry.
Or that he doesn't see Miranda as a character but as a piece of meat or just T&A so that his fantasy character (which is all this is a male power fantasy) to have sex with her because he couldn't get anywhere near a woman like that without going to jail.
My personal mottoes:
1) I would rather be hated for being honest than being loved as a liar.
So, are you arguing the MET's obsession with T&A (not exclusive to ME in any way, shape, or form, but hard to argue otherwise) is a good thing or a bad thing?
I am not against sexualization. I am in favour of equal sexualization, of both genders. But not towards minors. It's fantasy, even as teenagers we can be sexually curious, at the very least, so I don't see any harm in this. If this is about "body positivity", I am not a fan of it.
When I die, I want Bioware to carry my casket, so they can let me down, one last time.
I do have a rough idea of 2 Possible ME:A games. One idea deals with a Civil War within the Andromeda Intiative and Ryder Twins and their crew has to deal with it.
Here's an idea for a sequel to MEA. Another idea is little Ryder is captured by the kett then turned into one. Because the other little Ryder is too emotional, after learning the fate of their twin, a new main character takes over to do whatever in the game.
Another idea involves Mama Ryder finding the truth of Jaadran. You can get to control Mama Ryder thru this.
Wouldn't it be funny if she wakes up years after her kids have been dead? With her being the main character in the game, she ends up romancing a guy half her age.
Elizabeth Nancy Shepard - Earthborn/soldier/ruthless Humanity #1 I'm Commander Shepard, and this is my favorite playthrough in ME If you see a soldier or veteran, shake their hand and thank them for their service
Star Trek: The Motion Picture opened to a lukewarm box office take meaning it made enough to cover it's cost, but it did not make the money what Paramount wanted in the wake of films like Star Wars, Alien, and Close Encounters of the Third Kind and it also got mixed reviews and fan reactions and yet it spawned 12 sequels movies and helped to launch 9 TV shows later that are still going strong to this day.
I am not saying that it is 100% impossible for a failure to turn into a success. It simply happens very rarely. It is not a good investment to try to resurrect the dead. Usually.
If MEA was the bomb you say EA would never do MET remaster let alone a brand new game. It made money maybe not what EA and/or BioWare was hoping for but enough to get new projects made.
I think differently. I think that EA has become aware of the fact that bioware has become a mediocre team.
They are far from being tech mastermind (Frostbite Engine has yet to be tamed) and they don't even know how to write good stuff anymore. They can no longer invent engaging and successful stories, memorable characters, interesting settings. The last good (good, not great) game was inquisition.
Now, you may believe that the story, characters and lore of Andromeda and Anthem are better than those of Dragon Origins and Mass Effect 2, but I can assure you, that they are not.
So... why not simplify the work to these new, mediocre generation of bioware developers? Who has probably become insecure, afraid of making other mistakes? Let's give them a good quality base to work on. At the very least, to bypass the process of having to build a fresh new lore. Which is very difficult and fundamental to the success of a fantasy or a sci-fi saga.
The Milky Way and Thedas are settings of absolute and recognized value. Ready, pre-cooked, consistent, deep, you just need to add a few new details. It's like having the Forgotten Realms or the Star Wars universe. It's hard to screw the setting.
So... Da4, and Me5.
At best, they will reunite Andromeda a la Milky Way, and will make a game set in both galaxies.
MET remastered is the perfect way to publicize the trilogy, relaunch it, introduce it to a new public, a new generation of players, Let's assume that MET is a good success... new fans, old fans who fall in love again... than, Me5... back to Andromeda? To the Sara Ryder ugly face?
If MEA was the bomb you say EA would never do MET remaster let alone a brand new game. It made money maybe not what EA and/or BioWare was hoping for but enough to get new projects made.
And not enough to keep the studio open.
The remaster is the safest thing EA could do. It's a relaunch of games they know the community loved. Give it a new coat of paint with some additional basic stuff, and the good will of the gamers will be at least partially back. It's kind of hard to get people excited for the next Mass Effect when BioWare's last two games were Andromeda and Anthem. But put in a good remaster in the middle, and if it's well received (you have to try REALLY hard to mess that up), then it likely increases the sale of the actual sequel significantly.
Lastly... Anthem was supported more than Andromeda with additional content. And Anthem didn't get any studio closed. What does that tell you about Andromeda's success?
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Star Trek: The Motion Picture opened to a lukewarm box office take meaning it made enough to cover it's cost, but it did not make the money what Paramount wanted in the wake of films like Star Wars, Alien, and Close Encounters of the Third Kind and it also got mixed reviews and fan reactions and yet it spawned 12 sequels movies and helped to launch 9 TV shows later that are still going strong to this day.
I am not saying that it is 100% impossible for a failure to turn into a success. It simply happens very rarely. It is not a good investment to try to resurrect the dead. Usually.
If MEA was the bomb you say EA would never do MET remaster let alone a brand new game. It made money maybe not what EA and/or BioWare was hoping for but enough to get new projects made.
I think differently. I think that EA has become aware of the fact that bioware has become a mediocre team.
They are far from being tech mastermind (Frostbite Engine has yet to be tamed) and they don't even know how to write good stuff anymore. They can no longer invent engaging and successful stories, memorable characters, interesting settings. The last good (good, not great) game was inquisition.
Now, you may believe that the story, characters and lore of Andromeda and Anthem are better than those of Dragon Origins and Mass Effect 2, but I can assure you, that they are not.
So... why not simplify the work to these new, mediocre generation of bioware developers? Who has probably become insecure, afraid of making other mistakes? Let's give them a good quality base to work on. At the very least, to bypass the process of having to build a fresh new lore. Which is very difficult and fundamental to the success of a fantasy or a sci-fi saga.
The Milky Way and Thedas are settings of absolute and recognized value. Ready, pre-cooked, consistent, deep, you just need to add a few new details. It's like having the Forgotten Realms or the Star Wars universe. It's hard to screw the setting.
So... Da4, and Me5.
At best, they will reunite Andromeda a la Milky Way, and will make a game set in both galaxies.
MET remastered is the perfect way to publicize the trilogy, relaunch it, introduce it to a new public, a new generation of players, Let's assume that MET is a good success... new fans, old fans who fall in love again... than, Me5... back to Andromeda? To the Sara Ryder ugly face?
No way. It would be a nonsense.
The settings aren't as solid as you think go ask about the Star Wars sequels in the Star Wars thread and you will get a very heated debate about it. There are a lot of loudmouths out there that will rant, rave, and scream about how "Disney ruined the Star Wars Universe" or that "Micheal Bay ruined The Transformers Universe" or that "Alex Kurtzman ruined Star Trek" or that "Hasbro/WotC ruined Forgotten Realms so give me a fucking break.
Also there are a LOT of people who don't know a fucking thing about storytelling in any medium, claiming to be experts.
I simply know what I like and what I don't like and what I grown out of. I'm sick and tied of grimdark sci-fi, which is what the story MET was (especially part 3).
I've grown out of that phase of my life, now I want my sci-fi a little more optimistic and hope punk more like MEA, Guardians of the Galaxy, Doctor Who, Farscape and all of Star Trek than the likes than The Expanse, Firefly/Serenity, Battlestar Galactica, Torchwood, Babylon 5 and the MET.
Most of the grim dark sci-fi isn't mature, thought-provoking, or even cool. It's just stupid nihilistic pretentiousness that has nothing to say than "Life sucks, and then you die." and if that is your jam have had it hoss, but for me I'll be watching real mature, thought-provoking, and really cool sci-fi that has things to say and offers me something more valuable: HOPE.
Darkness has it's place in stories certainly but when it's constantly used with little or no light over and over, over and over, over and over, that not only becomes boring but it also becomes bad not only fans but also for society and culture at large as well.
Last Edit: Nov 16, 2020 20:47:41 GMT by Cyberstrike
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1) I would rather be hated for being honest than being loved as a liar.
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Most of the grim dark sci-fi isn't mature, thought-provoking, or even cool. It's just stupid nihilistic pretentiousness that has nothing to say than "Life sucks, and then you die." and if that is your jam have had it hoss, but for me I'll be watching real mature, thought-provoking, and really cool sci-fi that has things to say and offers me something more valuable: HOPE.
Darkness has it's place in stories certainly but when it's constantly used with little or no light over and over, over and over, over and over, that not only becomes boring but it also becomes bad not only fans but also for society and culture at large as well.
That's existentialist (or rather, existentialism). That's great that you don't like it, but some of us do.
i really like pathfinder's setting but i REALLY don't like how focused on min/maxing the rules are. it's designed from the ground up by and for min/maxer's and autists. the rest of us normies have to play on crayon eater difficulty just to hit a target. j00t Fires Of Heaven www.firesofheaven.org/
I am not saying that it is 100% impossible for a failure to turn into a success. It simply happens very rarely. It is not a good investment to try to resurrect the dead. Usually.
I think differently. I think that EA has become aware of the fact that bioware has become a mediocre team.
They are far from being tech mastermind (Frostbite Engine has yet to be tamed) and they don't even know how to write good stuff anymore. They can no longer invent engaging and successful stories, memorable characters, interesting settings. The last good (good, not great) game was inquisition.
Now, you may believe that the story, characters and lore of Andromeda and Anthem are better than those of Dragon Origins and Mass Effect 2, but I can assure you, that they are not.
So... why not simplify the work to these new, mediocre generation of bioware developers? Who has probably become insecure, afraid of making other mistakes? Let's give them a good quality base to work on. At the very least, to bypass the process of having to build a fresh new lore. Which is very difficult and fundamental to the success of a fantasy or a sci-fi saga.
The Milky Way and Thedas are settings of absolute and recognized value. Ready, pre-cooked, consistent, deep, you just need to add a few new details. It's like having the Forgotten Realms or the Star Wars universe. It's hard to screw the setting.
So... Da4, and Me5.
At best, they will reunite Andromeda a la Milky Way, and will make a game set in both galaxies.
MET remastered is the perfect way to publicize the trilogy, relaunch it, introduce it to a new public, a new generation of players, Let's assume that MET is a good success... new fans, old fans who fall in love again... than, Me5... back to Andromeda? To the Sara Ryder ugly face?
No way. It would be a nonsense.
The settings aren't as solid as you think go ask about the Star Wars sequels in the Star Wars thread and you will get a very heated debate about it. There are a lot of loudmouths out there that will rant, rave, and scream about how "Disney ruined the Star Wars Universe" or that "Micheal Bay ruined The Transformers Universe" or that "Alex Kurtzman ruined Star Trek" or that "Hasbro/WotC ruined Forgotten Realms so give me a fucking break.
Also there are a LOT of people who don't know a fucking thing about storytelling in any medium, claiming to be experts.
I simply know what I like and what I don't like and what I grown out of. I'm sick and tied of grimdark sci-fi, which is what the story MET was (especially part 3).
I've grown out of that phase of my life, now I want my sci-fi a little more optimistic and hope punk more like MEA, Guardians of the Galaxy, Doctor Who, Farscape and all of Star Trek than the likes than The Expanse, Firefly/Serenity, Battlestar Galactica, Torchwood, Babylon 5 and the MET.
Most of the grim dark sci-fi isn't mature, thought-provoking, or even cool. It's just stupid nihilistic pretentiousness that has nothing to say than "Life sucks, and then you die." and if that is your jam have had it hoss, but for me I'll be watching real mature, thought-provoking, and really cool sci-fi that has things to say and offers me something more valuable: HOPE.
Darkness has it's place in stories certainly but when it's constantly used with little or no light over and over, over and over, over and over, that not only becomes boring but it also becomes bad not only fans but also for society and culture at large as well.
I was thinking, if we ever get a sequel to andromeda we might get a darker tone cause most people didn't liked it. Personally i did liked it, and it reminded of star trek and a lot of guardians of the galaxy which i love.
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The settings aren't as solid as you think go ask about the Star Wars sequels in the Star Wars thread and you will get a very heated debate about it. There are a lot of loudmouths out there that will rant, rave, and scream about how "Disney ruined the Star Wars Universe" or that "Micheal Bay ruined The Transformers Universe" or that "Alex Kurtzman ruined Star Trek" or that "Hasbro/WotC ruined Forgotten Realms so give me a fucking break.
Also there are a LOT of people who don't know a fucking thing about storytelling in any medium, claiming to be experts.
I simply know what I like and what I don't like and what I grown out of. I'm sick and tied of grimdark sci-fi, which is what the story MET was (especially part 3).
I've grown out of that phase of my life, now I want my sci-fi a little more optimistic and hope punk more like MEA, Guardians of the Galaxy, Doctor Who, Farscape and all of Star Trek than the likes than The Expanse, Firefly/Serenity, Battlestar Galactica, Torchwood, Babylon 5 and the MET.
Most of the grim dark sci-fi isn't mature, thought-provoking, or even cool. It's just stupid nihilistic pretentiousness that has nothing to say than "Life sucks, and then you die." and if that is your jam have had it hoss, but for me I'll be watching real mature, thought-provoking, and really cool sci-fi that has things to say and offers me something more valuable: HOPE.
Darkness has it's place in stories certainly but when it's constantly used with little or no light over and over, over and over, over and over, that not only becomes boring but it also becomes bad not only fans but also for society and culture at large as well.
I was thinking, if we ever get a sequel to andromeda we might get a darker tone cause most people didn't liked it. Personally i did liked it, and it reminded of star trek and a lot of guardians of the galaxy which i love.
They should have the crew of the Tempest get into a dark situation and/or place but show the characters using teamwork, diplomacy, decency, compassion, love, and hope to not only get out of darkness but then defeat it. Like MEA, Supergirl, Guardians of the Galaxy, Farscape, Star Trek: Discovery and Star Trek: Picard have shown constantly shown and not this "Woe is me all is darkness and gloom!" bullshit.
Last Edit: Nov 17, 2020 14:16:48 GMT by Cyberstrike
My personal mottoes:
1) I would rather be hated for being honest than being loved as a liar.
I've grown out of that phase of my life, now I want my sci-fi a little more optimistic and hope punk more like MEA, Guardians of the Galaxy, Doctor Who, Farscape and all of Star Trek than the likes than The Expanse, Firefly/Serenity, Battlestar Galactica, Torchwood, Babylon 5 and the MET.
optimistic hope punk sci-fi doesn't guarantee you better quality. It can be awesome, and it can be awful.
It also has nothing to do with the originality, complexity, credibility and potential of the setting. you can set a light-hearted and sunny story both in the milky way and on andromeda. but the milky way lore remains built way better than andromeda. There, you have more options, more connections, more complexity, more background, to work on.
Btw, I would enjoy very much a story in which you don't have to save everybody from the looming apocalypse and complete extermination (AGAIN), but simply explore and solve problems and live your life. As having more cheerful and foolish and over-the-top party members like sera, pheebe etc... it's ok as long as they do not become the predominant majority... too cringy, this was the problem of outer worlds or every marvel movie of the last 5 years, everybody is trying so desperately and hopelessly to be a brilliant smartass. So pathetic.
They should have the crew of the Tempest get into a dark situation and/or place but show the characters using teamwork, diplomacy, decency, compassion, love, and hope to not only get out of darkness but then defeat it. Like MEA, Supergirl, Guardians of the Galaxy, Farscape, Star Trek: Discovery and Star Trek: Picard have shown constantly shown and not this "Woe is me all is darkness and gloom!" bullshit.
They should give the Tempest characters the Emily Wong treatment. Kill them off because of reasons before the next game is released, if it's to be in Andromeda.
Or at the beginning, the Tempest comes under attack. It suffers a lot of damage that it's not able to escape. Because the peepee asari is stupid, she accidently releases the new escape pod with no one in it. All give her the look of death just before the Tempest is destroyed.
How's that for dark? excellent
Last Edit: Nov 17, 2020 15:20:37 GMT by themikefest
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Man, you can find plenty of hope in the Mass Effect trilogy. The fact that the galaxy is made up of tons of intelligent beings and about 90% of them get along makes it more optimistic than a lot of sci-fi out there. Reapers excluded, the Mass Effect universe wouldn't be a bad place to live as a regular joe.
It wasn't so much that the MET was dark, but rather Andromeda was incredibly light and breezy in tone which was garish to a lot of people, including myself.
I am not saying that it is 100% impossible for a failure to turn into a success. It simply happens very rarely. It is not a good investment to try to resurrect the dead. Usually.
I think differently. I think that EA has become aware of the fact that bioware has become a mediocre team.
They are far from being tech mastermind (Frostbite Engine has yet to be tamed) and they don't even know how to write good stuff anymore. They can no longer invent engaging and successful stories, memorable characters, interesting settings. The last good (good, not great) game was inquisition.
Now, you may believe that the story, characters and lore of Andromeda and Anthem are better than those of Dragon Origins and Mass Effect 2, but I can assure you, that they are not.
So... why not simplify the work to these new, mediocre generation of bioware developers? Who has probably become insecure, afraid of making other mistakes? Let's give them a good quality base to work on. At the very least, to bypass the process of having to build a fresh new lore. Which is very difficult and fundamental to the success of a fantasy or a sci-fi saga.
The Milky Way and Thedas are settings of absolute and recognized value. Ready, pre-cooked, consistent, deep, you just need to add a few new details. It's like having the Forgotten Realms or the Star Wars universe. It's hard to screw the setting.
So... Da4, and Me5.
At best, they will reunite Andromeda a la Milky Way, and will make a game set in both galaxies.
MET remastered is the perfect way to publicize the trilogy, relaunch it, introduce it to a new public, a new generation of players, Let's assume that MET is a good success... new fans, old fans who fall in love again... than, Me5... back to Andromeda? To the Sara Ryder ugly face?
No way. It would be a nonsense.
The settings aren't as solid as you think go ask about the Star Wars sequels in the Star Wars thread and you will get a very heated debate about it. There are a lot of loudmouths out there that will rant, rave, and scream about how "Disney ruined the Star Wars Universe" or that "Micheal Bay ruined The Transformers Universe" or that "Alex Kurtzman ruined Star Trek" or that "Hasbro/WotC ruined Forgotten Realms so give me a fucking break.
Also there are a LOT of people who don't know a fucking thing about storytelling in any medium, claiming to be experts.
I simply know what I like and what I don't like and what I grown out of. I'm sick and tied of grimdark sci-fi, which is what the story MET was (especially part 3).
I've grown out of that phase of my life, now I want my sci-fi a little more optimistic and hope punk more like MEA, Guardians of the Galaxy, Doctor Who, Farscape and all of Star Trek than the likes than The Expanse, Firefly/Serenity, Battlestar Galactica, Torchwood, Babylon 5 and the MET.
Most of the grim dark sci-fi isn't mature, thought-provoking, or even cool. It's just stupid nihilistic pretentiousness that has nothing to say than "Life sucks, and then you die." and if that is your jam have had it hoss, but for me I'll be watching real mature, thought-provoking, and really cool sci-fi that has things to say and offers me something more valuable: HOPE.
Darkness has it's place in stories certainly but when it's constantly used with little or no light over and over, over and over, over and over, that not only becomes boring but it also becomes bad not only fans but also for society and culture at large as well.
I don't think the light vs dark tone has anything to do with it.
Ask yourself why the light tone Citadel DLC in ME3 was praised so much, and the light tone Andromeda was criticized so much. It can even be argued that Andromeda is 'grim dark' by the way, considering what the Kett are doing to the other species, but that's another story.