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Post by SirSourpuss on Apr 19, 2019 15:59:53 GMT
They all had their faults, sure, but I still load up and play Saboteur, whenever I get the nostalgia for it. Killing nazis as a maniacal, Irish race car driver with a fondness of explosives is really fun and Mercenaries 2 has its own following. Maybe they're not Bioware games, but they're still fun.
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Post by ahglock on Apr 19, 2019 17:43:26 GMT
It's still arrogance on your part that they have to keep creating the "old" sort of games you enjoyed specifically. If they see their future as producing more online games, then that's their prerogative to try. The generation that has been historically interested in SP RPG's may just be getting older and fading from relevance. That doesn't mean that EA should have shuttered those studios yesterday. You don't speak for the generation of gamers that are "growing up" in the next 12 years. You can't because you're not of that generation. This has nothing to do with the games I like, or what type of games I want Bioware to make. A 7 year development cycle that was suggested above, for each new game, after a game release is not, in my opinion, a sustainable model. DICE releases a game for EA every year for the past ... how many years now? Respawn just released their own game for EA, which was cool and they're releasing a second one as well, this year, generating revenue for EA. Within EA's very competitive environment, where studios compete financially over Frostbyte support and resources, for Bioware to compete, they need to make games that sell numbers at the levels of GTA and RDR to remain relevant with public opinion and most importantly, within EA. Considering Bioware's current internal struggles and continued technical issues with Frostbyte, turning things around that much for Bioware will take a miracle. Can you comprehend the level of success they need to hit within this corporate world structure? You might as well close them yesterday, they're not going to make it. They'll fade to irrelevance, newer generations will only remember them for their failures and clickbait articles about Bioware's next blunder will pop around like mushrooms. Accurate I suspect. You either need to crank games out or your games need to be mega successes. You can’t have lukewarm successes every 5-7 years.
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Post by SirSourpuss on Apr 19, 2019 17:58:06 GMT
You can’t have lukewarm successes every 5-7 years. It all depends on the RoI. If your game makes up its budget, solely because of lifetime sales and that's okay for you, then cool. Do you think EA will be down with this?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 19, 2019 18:32:11 GMT
It's still arrogance on your part that they have to keep creating the "old" sort of games you enjoyed specifically. If they see their future as producing more online games, then that's their prerogative to try. The generation that has been historically interested in SP RPG's may just be getting older and fading from relevance. That doesn't mean that EA should have shuttered those studios yesterday. You don't speak for the generation of gamers that are "growing up" in the next 12 years. You can't because you're not of that generation. This has nothing to do with the games I like, or what type of games I want Bioware to make. A 7 year development cycle that was suggested above, for each new game, after a game release is not, in my opinion, a sustainable model. DICE releases a game for EA every year for the past ... how many years now? Respawn just released their own game for EA, which was cool and they're releasing a second one as well, this year, generating revenue for EA. Within EA's very competitive environment, where studios compete financially over Frostbyte support and resources, for Bioware to compete, they need to make games that sell numbers at the levels of GTA and RDR to remain relevant with public opinion and most importantly, within EA. Considering Bioware's current internal struggles and continued technical issues with Frostbyte, turning things around that much for Bioware will take a miracle. Can you comprehend the level of success they need to hit within this corporate world structure? You might as well close them yesterday, they're not going to make it. They'll fade to irrelevance, newer generations will only remember them for their failures and clickbait articles about Bioware's next blunder will pop around like mushrooms. Then games with huge, open worlds combined with a multitude of relevant player choices and stories that make sense in every detail and from every angle (a la table top games) and with a player character whose personality is formed by the player within a completely opposite range (as has been Bioware's ME tradition with the P/R system) and without a multitude of bugs are simply not viable or ANY company of almost any size to make every 18 months. Bioware is currently getting it in the neck from all sides. They're getting for taking too long to produce their games and getting in the neck for working their staff to hard as they produce (in rotation) a new game every couple of years or so.
What GTA and RDR are... are different than Mass Effect. Same with TW3 and AC. The player character's personality is, for the most part, set. The main story flows through amid a myriad of unrelated (yes, unrelated) side quests. They don't feel as unrelated because they are based on a historical lore or, in the case of AC, a string of historical events that the player largely strings together in their own head because the game moves the PC around so that they are "there" for those events. Even with those advantages, the main story in RDR2 met with considerable criticism, particularly for how it managed Arthur's disease (among other things).
We agree, the model has to change or the company will fail. They were trying a new model will Andromeda and with Anthem... and both met with heavy, heavy criticism BEFORE the games were released... and that's the problem. Bioware can't do things the way they did before (those people left the company years ago)... and the fans won't let them try something different without crucifying it and burying it in skepticism BEFORE Bioware even releases it... and in the case of Mass Effect now... even before they announce it. I'm convince that the only ME game the fans here will accept IS a remake of the OT... but that means we won't see anything new in the form of a ME game until the next "rotation"... i.e after another DA game and another Anthem (or substitute 3rd IP) is produced by the studio. There is also a good chance that a remake of the OT will not satisfy the bulk of ME fans... but only make the criticisms more pronounced. A remake done now by the current Bioware will NOT be the same as the OT just with the fan-suggested improvements). It is more likely to have the same writing issues and animation issues as Andromeda... because it will be on Frostbyte (EA will insist on that) and it will be "written" by the current Bioware staff... not the staff of old.
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Post by SirSourpuss on Apr 19, 2019 19:58:24 GMT
Then games with huge, open worlds combined with a multitude of relevant player choices and stories that make sense in every detail and from every angle (a la table top games) and with a player character whose personality is formed by the player within a completely opposite range (as has been Bioware's ME tradition with the P/R system) and without a multitude of bugs are simply not viable or ANY company of almost any size to make every 18 months. Bioware is currently getting it in the neck from all sides. They're getting for taking too long to produce their games and getting in the neck for working their staff to hard as they produce (in rotation) a new game every couple of years or so. Agreed. What GTA and RDR are... are different than Mass Effect. Same with TW3 and AC. The player character's personality is, for the most part, set. The main story flows through amid a myriad of unrelated (yes, unrelated) side quests. They don't feel as unrelated because they are based on a historical lore or, in the case of AC, a string of historical events that the player largely strings together in their own head because the game moves the PC around so that they are "there" for those events. Even with those advantages, the main story in RDR2 met with considerable criticism, particularly for how it managed Arthur's disease (among other things). Understood. We agree, the model has to change or the company will fail. They were trying a new model will Andromeda and with Anthem... and both met with heavy, heavy criticism BEFORE the games were released... and that's the problem. Bioware can't do things the way they did before (those people left the company years ago)... and the fans won't let them try something different without crucifying it and burying it in skepticism BEFORE Bioware even releases it... and in the case of Mass Effect now... even before they announce it. I'm convince that the only ME game the fans here will accept IS a remake of the OT... but that means we won't see anything new in the form of a ME game until the next "rotation"... i.e after another DA game and another Anthem (or substitute 3rd IP) is produced by the studio. There is also a good chance that a remake of the OT will not satisfy the bulk of ME fans... but only make the criticisms more pronounced. A remake done now by the current Bioware will NOT be the same as the OT just with the fan-suggested improvements). It is more likely to have the same writing issues and animation issues as Andromeda... because it will be on Frostbyte (EA will insist on that) and it will be "written" by the current Bioware staff... not the staff of old. But in the OT lies a template, a character template. These people have been defined and there is quite the picture already painted. I have to trust the writers that they know how to write them and if not all of them do, the ones that do will correct them, through peer reviews. Bioware's greatest strength lies in its characters and the connection their audience establishes with them. I do believe this when I say this: if the characters make the trip worthwhile, nobody will hear a peep about bugs, animations or anything, they will shut the fuck up, enthralled in the ride, but most importantly, in the case of ME OT related content, they will not outright roast it on announcement. They might be a little reserved, but they won't roast it.
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Post by garrusfan1 on Apr 19, 2019 23:22:21 GMT
If it's another 10 years till they start production of the next Mass Effect, nobody will remember it, nobody will care for it. I can't see myself still being interested in video games, let alone Bioware. If that's the point, EA might as well shut them down yesterday. Like, I may not love every AssCreed, but at least a new one comes out every year. I'm bound to like one of them in 5 years or so. Out of the six games Bioware has released since 2011, I've enjoyed none. I mean, moost of them had drawn some extreme emotion out of me, I just wish those emotions weren't frustration, rage, profound sadness and crippling depression. Honestly, your timeframe, Mike, seems more plausible to me. That's rather arrogant. Just because you'd get too old to be a fan doesn't mean that there won't be new, younger fans worth attracting (from Bioware's POV, at least). And wrong. Bioware will not go four years without releasing a game much less 10. DA4 will probably be out by 2021 and the next ME game will be out by 2024 or much sooner. Think about it. MEA used a new engine and moved to a new universe and came out less then five years after ME3 and DAI came out a year or two after ME3. Bioware doesn't have alot of game franchises to work on. They have DA, mass effect,and anthem. As far as I know that is the only three series they have. And since we haven't heard about any new IP's besides anthem. So don't worry.
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Post by cloud9 on Oct 11, 2019 15:56:20 GMT
WHAT THE FUCK DID I JUST READ... The Future of MassEffect and the cancer that BioWare has turned into? also the constant denial of most "fans" which lead to this crap show? Or they just don't like any kind of criticism.
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Post by cloud9 on Oct 11, 2019 16:04:49 GMT
I don't see why folks are going in on the OP...he's just giving his opinion on why he thinks the next game will bomb...given what we've seen in Andromeda, it's not ridiculous to think that it might happen. The overall writing and character development is what hurt Andromeda....even with the animation and glitches, Andromeda's issues was with it's core elements...Story and characters. And lets not forget the agenda inclusive writing...they had to delete a scene that had a character talking about how they was a transgender.... ....Making Jaal BI....the character of Morda (feminist)....which goes against the very lore of female Krogans....SAM being able to solve every roadblock in the game...if it wasn't for SAM for over several scenarios the game would have ended in the first hour or so.....bland writing...Cora's conversation branches are used up, before you're even through half way through the game....SAM open this door....SAM do this....Ryder couldn't do ANYTHING without SAM (It held his/her hand throughout the entire game)...where was the growth seen throughout the game from Ryder?.... And he did happen to do something without SAM towards the end there, but LOL.....the game doesn't really tell you how he does that...good `ol Space Magic i guess... So yeah, i would be a bit skeptical too if i wondered if there was any hope of a good Mass Effect game coming down the pike given what we seen in Andromeda.....regardless of how some folks enjoyed Andromeda, overall the game bombed and another game like Andromeda will tank the series for good. Don't treat characters like they are needed for some sort of checkoff list to make certain groups happy....I liked Kaiden and Jack.....they was written wonderfully and didn't feel forced or like they was written to please folks.....what was seen in Andromeda was just juvenile and embarrassing. I'm not sure if Bioware still has that magical talent to write a great story and characters first as opposed to making sure certain types of characters are in the game.....just make a game with a great story and characters and everything else will fall into place. What i have seen from Anthem, is that overall the story and characters seem to be better than what was seen in Andromeda and that is saying alot being that the game is focusing on looter aspects first and its story elements 2nd. I think a story can be told in Andromeda, (there are still mysteries and questions unanswered) but only if Bioware can stop the madness and tighten up their writing/ character and narratives aspects.... 👐👐
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Post by cloud9 on Oct 11, 2019 16:16:32 GMT
I hope I'm wrong. OTOH, rumors are that DA4 is going to be along the lines of Anthem in that it's live. (I'm blanking on the term.) That would be a turn off for me. If BW went down that road with DA I'm sure they'd do the same with ME. Thumbs down on that.
Makes you wonder if they're trying to kill off their company on purpose... I believe it is.
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Post by urkibalurki on Oct 11, 2019 17:47:57 GMT
What's the point in necroing this pointless thread? Arrrrgh!
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Post by griffith82 on Oct 13, 2019 0:27:00 GMT
What's the point in necroing this pointless thread? Arrrrgh! To stir up drama.
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Post by MarmiteToast on Oct 13, 2019 11:02:09 GMT
I liked Andromeda. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Anthem was a mess from the sounds of it, and I have no problems with developers trying out new genres with new IPs. As long as the core values are present in Mass Effect/Dragon Age, then it's all good.
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Post by griffith82 on Oct 13, 2019 11:22:50 GMT
I liked Andromeda. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ Anthem was a mess from the sounds of it, and I have no problems with developers trying out new genres with new IPs. As long as the core values are present in Mass Effect/Dragon Age, then it's all good. Agreed.
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Post by x19dude95 on Oct 26, 2019 12:51:53 GMT
Juat because it's not in the Milky Way doesn't make it bad. Get over yourself.
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Post by masterwarderz on Oct 27, 2019 2:55:20 GMT
Juat because it's not in the Milky Way doesn't make it bad. Get over yourself. True, the game itself made it bad.
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Post by griffith82 on Oct 30, 2019 0:38:39 GMT
Juat because it's not in the Milky Way doesn't make it bad. Get over yourself. True, the game itself made it bad. The game was unpolished. Now it's fine. The game was never bad just unpolished imo.
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Post by SirSourpuss on Nov 6, 2019 17:34:24 GMT
DA4 will probably be out by 2021
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Post by tatann on Nov 7, 2019 6:22:34 GMT
DA4 will probably be out by 2021 At this rate, Star Citizen (Squadron 42) will be out before ME5
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Post by Kappa Neko on Nov 7, 2019 18:57:26 GMT
At this rate, Star Citizen (Squadron 42) will be out before ME5 I'm not sure about that. I still think there will never be any release of an actual game. Biggest scam in gaming history!
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Post by Jeremiah12LGeek on Nov 7, 2019 19:27:54 GMT
Well that necro certainly succeeded in its intent.
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Post by sjsharp2010 on Nov 7, 2019 19:32:04 GMT
True, the game itself made it bad. The game was unpolished. Now it's fine. The game was never bad just unpolished imo. Yeah they just released it before it was ready it's a very playable and enjoyable game now for the most part.
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Post by smilesja on Nov 7, 2019 20:39:11 GMT
Well that necro certainly succeeded in its intent. Yeah pointless fighting never gets old.
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Post by SirSourpuss on Nov 8, 2019 16:17:14 GMT
The game was unpolished. Now it's fine. The game was never bad just unpolished imo. Yeah they just released it before it was ready it's a very playable and enjoyable game now for the most part. That doesn't seem to thaw the ice it fell in, though.
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Post by griffith82 on Nov 24, 2019 3:33:05 GMT
Yeah they just released it before it was ready it's a very playable and enjoyable game now for the most part. That doesn't seem to thaw the ice it fell in, though. It's still being played by people and it's the best way to continue.
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