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Post by solomace on Mar 15, 2019 22:44:37 GMT
Westwood man.
Many internet providers made mucho dosho off many command and conquer and red alert players back on the 90s. Back when you paid per minute for you multiplayer experience.
Great days.
To those people that clicked they have faith that this game will turn around and is still in its infancy, where does this faith come from?
Everything so far is the EA playbook, release early and unfinished under the guise of live service, make money on the initial IP such as Star Wars/Battlefield/Bioware drip feed content, move on to next game.
So what makes this any different from Andromeda and why do you think this game will turn good?
This isn't a Bioware game, it's an EA game.
All the companies that EA swallowed were great until they were swallowed because they no longer have the freedom they had before and what's worse now is EA need every game to be monetize.
Don't care about DA4.
When was the last game EA published that was a great game with little controversy? I know Apex is supposed to good, but let's talk paid for.
If anything, blame the Doc's for the Bioware shell of a company we gave now.
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Post by CHRrOME on Mar 15, 2019 23:20:03 GMT
Westwood man. Many internet providers made mucho dosho off many command and conquer and red alert players back on the 90s. Back when you paid per minute for you multiplayer experience. Dial up connection? Man... that was the worst. I have memories of that and not fond ones.
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Post by Qui-Gon GlenN7 on Mar 16, 2019 0:31:39 GMT
I don't know, but I think it's dead, Jim.
They really are stinking it up with Anthem; I am away for a week and come back to more and worse facepalm material.
Good job Casey.
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Post by masterwarderz on Mar 16, 2019 0:42:44 GMT
Neither do you then, considering they are famous or infamous depending upon your stance for dissolving low performance studios that cost them oceans of money without making it back plus interest. Pandemic, DICE LA, Origin Systems of Wing Commander fame, Visceral, Fucking Westwood Studios, if you think BioWare's name is worth anything to them at this point then you clearly need to take a breath of first air and realize that their name is dirt in the gaming community and has been for a while. BioWare might could have gotten away with some special treatment and it got it over the years, but its lost them money enough that I think that the kid gloves are going to be sliding off in short order if the major patch update and new stronghold pack does not bring them the expected revenue. EA isn't a charity, and they killed studios a lot more talented then modern day Bioware. I question the talent of some of those studios, especially considering how self-inflicted the deaths of Westwood and Visceral were. When you have half of a dev team quitting when the studio is acquired and another studio with known internal problems, I kind of lose sympathy for them in some ways. You are right EA is not a charity, they have no reason to keep such dead weight on their yoke. As to BioWare, your opinion was wrong because EA does not sell IP. It would stay internal and likely be given over to another studio, like Motive, if that happens. But BioWare is not likely going to be shut down over Anthem, considering they have not really "lost" money in the sense that you think they have. We can cite Andromeda as the example sure due to the lack of support or DLC, but let's remember, it did turn a profit that effectively made the game a wash for the company. We don't have numbers on Anthem at all yet to really discuss this, so it's frankly a bit premature to dig a grave. So the entirety of your argument is, its not been long enough, and my wording on the prospect of "selling an IP". On the first part, I am not going to humor that given that while EA cited hundreds of millions in sales back during their first quarter sales with Andromeda, I am going to cite that they said that and then proceeded to put Montreal on as a support studio and canned the franchise. On to the second part, keeping it in house, contracting it out, ultimately a sale is a sale, the IP is not given to them, its loaned to them, with a set quota. Sure, you can argue my point was unclear, but at the end of the day? If you know anything about EA, you know it to be absolutely accurate. So your interpretation is as flat out wrong as you likely thought my "opinion" to be. On a final remark: I do agree that its too early to cite financial success or failure with any due certainty given that we don't have exact numbers, and the quota that Bioware was assigned with this game, but I do stress that its been taking a beating, not just from the player base here or on the internet, but from game reviewers, to the scores flooding across the boards, the only frequent defense I have witnessed that is in anyway compelling is that: Haters are gonna hate. The standard platitudes of "Looter Shooters" or the game's exosuit gimmick aide, there is nothing be gleaned on the positive aspect to it as I have seen to be compelling. I am willing to wait, but I know the answers that will come of this, it will be failure, and its defenders will still be screaming the defenses they have been since February and that will be that. Somethings, unlike Bioware's quality of content sadly, never change.
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Post by bakgrind on Mar 16, 2019 0:56:40 GMT
I don't know, but I think it's dead, Jim. They really are stinking it up with Anthem; I am away for a week and come back to more and worse facepalm material. Good job Casey. I'm not to sure how much of this is Casey's fault considering when he left Bioware "Dylan" was supposedly in good hands. It's not to much he could of done to help Anthem since he was only back at Bioware for a year and some change before the game released. I would say that Aaryn Flynn along with the other managers that had left and stayed at Bioware shoulder the bigger blunt of the blame. Anthem wasn't the only Bioware product to suffer from a lack of managerial control, but SWTOR,Andromeda and DA:4 as well.
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Post by linksocarina on Mar 16, 2019 1:24:53 GMT
I question the talent of some of those studios, especially considering how self-inflicted the deaths of Westwood and Visceral were. When you have half of a dev team quitting when the studio is acquired and another studio with known internal problems, I kind of lose sympathy for them in some ways. You are right EA is not a charity, they have no reason to keep such dead weight on their yoke. As to BioWare, your opinion was wrong because EA does not sell IP. It would stay internal and likely be given over to another studio, like Motive, if that happens. But BioWare is not likely going to be shut down over Anthem, considering they have not really "lost" money in the sense that you think they have. We can cite Andromeda as the example sure due to the lack of support or DLC, but let's remember, it did turn a profit that effectively made the game a wash for the company. We don't have numbers on Anthem at all yet to really discuss this, so it's frankly a bit premature to dig a grave. So the entirety of your argument is, its not been long enough, and my wording on the prospect of "selling an IP". On the first part, I am not going to humor that given that while EA cited hundreds of millions in sales back during their first quarter sales with Andromeda, I am going to cite that they said that and then proceeded to put Montreal on as a support studio and canned the franchise. On to the second part, keeping it in house, contracting it out, ultimately a sale is a sale, the IP is not given to them, its loaned to them, with a set quota. Sure, you can argue my point was unclear, but at the end of the day? If you know anything about EA, you know it to be absolutely accurate. So your interpretation is as flat out wrong as you likely thought my "opinion" to be. On a final remark: I do agree that its too early to cite financial success or failure with any due certainty given that we don't have exact numbers, and the quota that Bioware was assigned with this game, but I do stress that its been taking a beating, not just from the player base here or on the internet, but from game reviewers, to the scores flooding across the boards, the only frequent defense I have witnessed that is in anyway compelling is that: Haters are gonna hate. The standard platitudes of "Looter Shooters" or the game's exosuit gimmick aide, there is nothing be gleaned on the positive aspect to it as I have seen to be compelling. I am willing to wait, but I know the answers that will come of this, it will be failure, and its defenders will still be screaming the defenses they have been since February and that will be that. Somethings, unlike Bioware's quality of content sadly, never change. Look if your going to argue semantics with me, at the end of the day you need to adjust how you present a point and maybe actually, you know, say what you mean. Come correct, if you will. The fact that I often correct folks constantly about such notions doesn't really help your case when it's so common, and the justification that you pointed out is true, but takes me pointing out the problem of your original post on the subject to get to a point where its worth discussing. Next time say what you actually mean, otherwise, your opinion will be incorrect as I pointed out. It's as simple as that, honestly.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Mar 16, 2019 1:26:15 GMT
I don't know, but I think it's dead, Jim. They really are stinking it up with Anthem; I am away for a week and come back to more and worse facepalm material. Good job Casey. I'm not to sure how much of this is Casey's fault considering when he left Bioware "Dylan" was supposedly in good hands. It's not to much he could of done to help Anthem since he was only back at Bioware for a year and some change before the game released. I would say that Aaryn Flynn along with the other managers that had left and stayed at Bioware shoulder the bigger blunt of the blame. Anthem wasn't the only Bioware product to suffer from a lack of managerial control, but SWTOR,Andromeda and DA:4 as well. Wait, DA4 did? Are you from the future? Can you tell me who the protagonist in that game is?
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Post by bakgrind on Mar 16, 2019 1:30:06 GMT
I'm not to sure how much of this is Casey's fault considering when he left Bioware "Dylan" was supposedly in good hands. It's not to much he could of done to help Anthem since he was only back at Bioware for a year and some change before the game released. I would say that Aaryn Flynn along with the other managers that had left and stayed at Bioware shoulder the bigger blunt of the blame. Anthem wasn't the only Bioware product to suffer from a lack of managerial control, but SWTOR,Andromeda and DA:4 as well. Wait, DA4 did? Are you from the future? Can you tell me who the protagonist in that game is? DA:4 game production was put on hold due to the all "hands on deck" approach that they gave Anthem. Anthem was the number one project for Bioware and resources and devs were taken from all studios. I guess I should have said that in the first place?
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Post by linksocarina on Mar 16, 2019 1:34:39 GMT
Wait, DA4 did? Are you from the future? Can you tell me who the protagonist in that game is? DA:4 game production was put on hold due to the all "hands on deck" approach that they gave Anthem. Anthem was the number one project for Bioware and resources and devs were taken from all studios. I guess I should have said that in the first place? Is that a case of the game suffering from managerial control though? If anything it sounds standard for pre production. Though if the game was rebooted then the preproduction is beginning to take root now I suspect.
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Post by bakgrind on Mar 16, 2019 1:43:22 GMT
DA:4 game production was put on hold due to the all "hands on deck" approach that they gave Anthem. Anthem was the number one project for Bioware and resources and devs were taken from all studios. I guess I should have said that in the first place? Is that a case of the game suffering from managerial control though? If anything it sounds standard for pre production. Though if the game was rebooted then the preproduction is beginning to take root now I suspect. As far Da:4 being placed on hold, it's not the fault of those developers. It's more of a result of bad management within Bioware that caused it's development cycle to be postponed until the release of Anthem. So, yeah I'm sure that by now the game is progressing right along.
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Post by bshep on Mar 16, 2019 2:08:28 GMT
So can you also give lottery numbers with your crystal ball? Everything you say is just another case of speculation being taken as fact.
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Post by smilesja on Mar 16, 2019 2:17:14 GMT
Most people who like the game post elsewhere because constantly being insulted by the haters tends to get old. Since the Mods don’t do anything they went to places the others can’t degrade them. The fans are not the ones being insulted, trolled, and chased out of these forums with the mods aiding and abetting said trolls. Have you seen this sub forum lately?
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Post by Qui-Gon GlenN7 on Mar 16, 2019 2:43:19 GMT
I don't know, but I think it's dead, Jim. They really are stinking it up with Anthem; I am away for a week and come back to more and worse facepalm material. Good job Casey. I'm not to sure how much of this is Casey's fault considering when he left Bioware "Dylan" was supposedly in good hands. It's not to much he could of done to help Anthem since he was only back at Bioware for a year and some change before the game released. I would say that Aaryn Flynn along with the other managers that had left and stayed at Bioware shoulder the bigger blunt of the blame. Anthem wasn't the only Bioware product to suffer from a lack of managerial control, but SWTOR,Andromeda and DA:4 as well. His mug grinning with his N7 mug... He fucked up the last game I cared about, and now he's fucking up the future of the franchises that remain worth giving a shit about. I get blamed when one of my guys fucks up. If he really fucks up, I get fired. It was my fault he was there to fuck up. Accountability is what I want; Casey and Mac should enjoy their money and go make games together that they want to play. No one will understand them, or buy them, but they'll be happy in their intellectually superiority.
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Post by Qui-Gon GlenN7 on Mar 16, 2019 2:49:46 GMT
The fans are not the ones being insulted, trolled, and chased out of these forums with the mods aiding and abetting said trolls. Have you seen this sub forum lately? Yes. I see me and others talking about the game, not the people playing it. And occasionally, the players get butthurt and jump to defend their game and get shut down. Because it is a skepticism thread. So many babies in BioWare fandom. Not all of it is age related. Just babies.
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Post by bakgrind on Mar 16, 2019 2:54:15 GMT
So can you also give lottery numbers with your crystal ball? Everything you say is just another case of speculation being taken as fact. No, but I can code. So there is that
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Post by Arijon van Goyen on Mar 16, 2019 6:11:15 GMT
Westwood man. Many internet providers made mucho dosho off many command and conquer and red alert players back on the 90s. Back when you paid per minute for you multiplayer experience. Dial up connection? Man... that was the worst. I have memories of that and not fond ones. I wouldn't waste my time on internet forums back then when I had dial up for sure, don't even think about playing overrated multiplayer games ... reading physical books instead... good times.
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Post by Arijon van Goyen on Mar 16, 2019 6:26:46 GMT
If EA was the government and I was inside Bioware...
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Post by solomace on Mar 16, 2019 8:13:40 GMT
Dial up connection? Man... that was the worst. I have memories of that and not fond ones. I wouldn't waste my time on internet forums back then when I had dial up for sure, don't even think about playing overrated multiplayer games ... reading physical books instead... good times. Wow, reading physical books and not getting down and dirty with the thicko scrubs playing multiplayer games. You must really be intelligent sitting on that horse of yours. Really mate, trying to flex your intellect by saying you were a bookworm in the 90s is quite pathetic and would tell me you probably didn't read books at all. Maybe ABC ones?
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Post by Terminator Force on Mar 16, 2019 12:11:43 GMT
I don't know, but I think it's dead, Jim. They really are stinking it up with Anthem; I am away for a week and come back to more and worse facepalm material. Good job Casey. Got better on my end.
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Post by shinobiwan on Mar 16, 2019 12:19:33 GMT
I wouldn't waste my time on internet forums back then when I had dial up for sure, don't even think about playing overrated multiplayer games ... reading physical books instead... good times. Wow, reading physical books and not getting down and dirty with the thicko scrubs playing multiplayer games. You must really be intelligent sitting on that horse of yours. Really mate, trying to flex your intellect by saying you were a bookworm in the 90s is quite pathetic and would tell me you probably didn't read books at all. Maybe ABC ones? This is precisely the kind of anti-intellectual sentiment that makes our country great again.
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Post by linksocarina on Mar 16, 2019 13:22:51 GMT
Wow, reading physical books and not getting down and dirty with the thicko scrubs playing multiplayer games. You must really be intelligent sitting on that horse of yours. Really mate, trying to flex your intellect by saying you were a bookworm in the 90s is quite pathetic and would tell me you probably didn't read books at all. Maybe ABC ones? This is precisely the kind of anti-intellectual sentiment that makes our country great again. Let's be honest, a ton of folks in this thread are displaying that anti intellectual vibe proudly here. It's why I'm almost out of fucks to give with their BS.
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Post by Sartoz on Mar 16, 2019 13:36:16 GMT
Well, D2 is here and I'm sure it will siphon off Anthem players. Those that have no "brand" fixation will always look for a better game. Anthem gave these players no reason to stick around.
Anthem is going through a rough patch. Give it enough time and it will improve on many fronts. Will players be patient for nirvana to come?
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Post by Terminator Force on Mar 16, 2019 13:37:38 GMT
I wouldn't waste my time on internet forums back then when I had dial up for sure, don't even think about playing overrated multiplayer games ... reading physical books instead... good times. Wow, reading physical books and not getting down and dirty with the thicko scrubs playing multiplayer games. You must really be intelligent sitting on that horse of yours. Really mate, trying to flex your intellect by saying you were a bookworm in the 90s is quite pathetic and would tell me you probably didn't read books at all. Maybe ABC ones? Strawman. He simply washed nostalgia on good times reading books (something I can relate to with the very few books I've read in the 90s. Probably could count them on one or both hands. Would like to read The Lord of The Rings one of these days, dust off those ol imagination skills. Have got a Drew Mass Effect book waiting to be read too).
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Post by Terminator Force on Mar 16, 2019 13:39:57 GMT
This is precisely the kind of anti-intellectual sentiment that makes our country great again. Let's be honest, a ton of folks in this thread are displaying that anti intellectual vibe proudly here. It's why I'm almost out of fucks to give with their BS. Are you asserting I'm not an intellectual?
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Post by linksocarina on Mar 16, 2019 13:49:45 GMT
Let's be honest, a ton of folks in this thread are displaying that anti intellectual vibe proudly here. It's why I'm almost out of fucks to give with their BS. Are you asserting I'm not an intellectual? If you have to ask...
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