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Post by Arijon van Goyen on Apr 15, 2019 22:45:03 GMT
In a small way you may get our wish. Respawn announced that Star Wars Jedi: Fallen Order, is a good old-fashioned single-player adventure. Now we know EA likes their “live service” games. So this is a surprise. Didn't EA recently shut down Visceral Games because their game was a SP?
No microtransactions. No loot boxes. And no, we won’t be adding them. A single-player Star Wars story for those of you who are ready to become a Jedi. t.co/kTheWVBjJc — EA Star Wars (@eastarwars) April 13, 2019 Their open world Star Wars game was cancelled in January. I'm going to guess this single player, linear game was pushed out to appease the Mouse because EA's been sitting on their exclusive Star Wars license doing sweet fuck all for the past God knows how many years.
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Post by Qui-Gon GlenN7 on Apr 15, 2019 23:59:21 GMT
Their open world Star Wars game was cancelled in January. I'm going to guess this single player, linear game was pushed out to appease the Mouse because EA's been sitting on their exclusive Star Wars license doing sweet fuck all for the past God knows how many years.
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Post by Qui-Gon GlenN7 on Apr 16, 2019 0:07:37 GMT
I have already stopped playing, don't you get it? The last gaming purchases I have made have been DLC on sale for older titles. Biower hasn't gotten any of my money since DAI. I got TW3 for free with my GPU... I have stopped buying new games almost entirely since DAI. I know this blows your mind. You can't have actually expected me to remember that you don't buy games anymore. I took your avatar and assumed you were a robot, or perhaps more accurately an Alan Turing machine encased in a strange robotic housing. If this is a mistake, my apologies.
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Post by aglomeracja on Apr 16, 2019 7:45:20 GMT
In a small way you may get our wish. Respawn announced that Star Wars Jedi: Fallen Order, is a good old-fashioned single-player adventure. Now we know EA likes their “live service” games. So this is a surprise. Didn't EA recently shut down Visceral Games because their game was a SP?
No microtransactions. No loot boxes. And no, we won’t be adding them. A single-player Star Wars story for those of you who are ready to become a Jedi. t.co/kTheWVBjJc — EA Star Wars (@eastarwars) April 13, 2019 Their open world Star Wars game was cancelled in January. I'm going to guess this single player, linear game was pushed out to appease the Mouse because EA's been sitting on their exclusive Star Wars license doing sweet fuck all for the past God knows how many years. Probably they just want to release it in episode 9's hype window.
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Post by aglomeracja on Apr 16, 2019 7:54:31 GMT
This game streaming idea is not happening that soon for sure. You might have problems accessing decent bandwith in suburban areas of the biggest European cities (like London, for instance), not just in smaller towns, so hardly anyone could play games like that. What are the actual percentages on this? I don't know, feel free to do some research. While you're at it, you might also check if streaming games that would normally take up to 90gb of storage space (and still require long loading periods) is anywhere near possible, even assuming one has the best commercially available bandwith.
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Post by Qui-Gon GlenN7 on Apr 16, 2019 10:49:59 GMT
What are the actual percentages on this? I don't know, feel free to do some research. While you're at it, you might also check if streaming games that would normally take up to 90gb of storage space (and still require long loading periods) is anywhere near possible, even assuming one has the best commercially available bandwith. Yes!
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Post by alanc9 on Apr 16, 2019 15:26:16 GMT
You can't have actually expected me to remember that you don't buy games anymore. I took your avatar and assumed you were a robot, or perhaps more accurately an Alan Turing machine encased in a strange robotic housing. If this is a mistake, my apologies. Yes, this is a lot more typical of our interactions. A quick giggle, noting worth remembering.
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Post by Qui-Gon GlenN7 on Apr 16, 2019 17:22:43 GMT
I took your avatar and assumed you were a robot, or perhaps more accurately an Alan Turing machine encased in a strange robotic housing. If this is a mistake, my apologies. Yes, this is a lot more typical of our interactions. A quick giggle, noting worth remembering.
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Post by AnDromedary on Apr 16, 2019 20:08:49 GMT
What are the actual percentages on this? I don't know, feel free to do some research. While you're at it, you might also check if streaming games that would normally take up to 90gb of storage space (and still require long loading periods) is anywhere near possible, even assuming one has the best commercially available bandwith. Wait, what? You do realize that the requirements of the actual game don't make much of a difference for the client, assuming the streaming provider has enough hardware power, right? What you stream to the client is a video stream in the resolution you run the game in. Doesn't matter if that game is Anthem or Tetris, as long as the screen resolution is the same, so is the stream size. The only limiting factor of your bandwidth will be if you can stream in 4k, 1080p or below. (And even there, bandwidth requirements are actually not that high. The bigger problem is usually packet loss and ping/lag.)
Note, I am not saying that streaming will take off immediately or anything, there certainly are issues that will need to be worked out but this argument of running demanding games doesn't quite hold. This is exactly where streaming will actually gives clients an advantage.
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Post by alanc9 on Apr 16, 2019 20:45:19 GMT
What are the actual percentages on this? I don't know, feel free to do some research. While you're at it, you might also check if streaming games that would normally take up to 90gb of storage space (and still require long loading periods) is anywhere near possible, even assuming one has the best commercially available bandwith. Hey, you were the one who said it wouldn't work. I assumed you had already done the research, since you were so confident about your position.
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Post by aglomeracja on Apr 16, 2019 22:24:54 GMT
I don't know, feel free to do some research. While you're at it, you might also check if streaming games that would normally take up to 90gb of storage space (and still require long loading periods) is anywhere near possible, even assuming one has the best commercially available bandwith. Wait, what? You do realize that the requirements of the actual game don't make much of a difference for the client, assuming the streaming provider has enough hardware power, right? What you stream to the client is a video stream in the resolution you run the game in. Doesn't matter if that game is Anthem or Tetris, as long as the screen resolution is the same, so is the stream size. The only limiting factor of your bandwidth will be if you can stream in 4k, 1080p or below. (And even there, bandwidth requirements are actually not that high. The bigger problem is usually packet loss and ping/lag.)
Note, I am not saying that streaming will take off immediately or anything, there certainly are issues that will need to be worked out but this argument of running demanding games doesn't quite hold. This is exactly where streaming will actually gives clients an advantage.
Ok, that approach could technically work, though I'm not sure if it wouldn't create more problems than it could hypothetically solve. Basically it would mean you could take it easy with hardware upgrades (which matters only when using PC) and save disc space which is hardly a problem these days. On the other hand you'd be completely dependent on internet connection and it's quality, some companies servers and it's maintenance schedules, you'd loose all modding capability etc. I don't know, feel free to do some research. While you're at it, you might also check if streaming games that would normally take up to 90gb of storage space (and still require long loading periods) is anywhere near possible, even assuming one has the best commercially available bandwith. Hey, you were the one who said it wouldn't work. I assumed you had already done the research, since you were so confident about your position. You seemed quite confident when stating that "In a few years I figure companies are just going to give up on local data altogether for the big titles". Please, do share at least a bit of the knowledge and research that led you to this hypothesis and it's viability.
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Post by tatann on Apr 16, 2019 22:41:05 GMT
Wait, what? You do realize that the requirements of the actual game don't make much of a difference for the client, assuming the streaming provider has enough hardware power, right? What you stream to the client is a video stream in the resolution you run the game in. Doesn't matter if that game is Anthem or Tetris, as long as the screen resolution is the same, so is the stream size. The only limiting factor of your bandwidth will be if you can stream in 4k, 1080p or below. (And even there, bandwidth requirements are actually not that high. The bigger problem is usually packet loss and ping/lag.)
Note, I am not saying that streaming will take off immediately or anything, there certainly are issues that will need to be worked out but this argument of running demanding games doesn't quite hold. This is exactly where streaming will actually gives clients an advantage.
Ok, that approach could technically work, though I'm not sure if it wouldn't create more problems than it could hypothetically solve. Basically it would mean you could take it easy with hardware upgrades (which matters only when using PC) and save disc space which is hardly a problem these days. On the other hand you'd be completely dependent on internet connection and it's quality, some companies servers and it's maintenance schedules, you'd loose all modding capability etc. Hey, you were the one who said it wouldn't work. I assumed you had already done the research, since you were so confident about your position. You seemed quite confident when stating that "In a few years I figure companies are just going to give up on local data altogether for the big titles". Please, do share at least a bit of the knowledge and research that led you to this hypothesis and it's viability. If they remove our modding capacity, might as well play on console Wait, no, we still have mouse and keyboard And multiplayer without a subscription
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Post by Qui-Gon GlenN7 on Apr 16, 2019 22:54:04 GMT
Alan doesn't answer questions, he just asks questions.
It is a broken elenchus... You have to provide something for gestalt, so his questions often go absolutely nowhere as a result.
I still see zero benefit in the all-streaming world. All it does is give more control, of everything, to a corporation.
Said something mean on Twatter that angered the Executive VP of Dildo Sales at TransAmeriCorp? POW! Your streaming privileges are revoked, as Epic Shitstore Streaming Strap-On is a wholly owned subsidiary of, you guessed it, TransAmeriCorp.
Didn't pay your "x" bill on time? Punish him, cap his speeds and data.
Keep giving away your personal things to the commune, comrade. Trust the Bureau.
/Lenin
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Post by goishen on Apr 16, 2019 23:18:47 GMT
Dude. Try streaming something over your own LAN and tell me if you do not experience any problems.
"That could work..." Shyeah, in what fucking universe?
He's speaking like he knows something about how video streams take x amount of bandwidth. He doesn't.
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Post by AnDromedary on Apr 16, 2019 23:35:50 GMT
We'll see when Google Stadia goes live (and when MS comes out with their own thing).
My guess is that game streaming have a lot of problems initially but if they do get the social media embedding right that is planned, it'll take off, especially with the younger generation. There is a lot of convenience to be had. Just give it a couple of years.
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Post by goishen on Apr 16, 2019 23:56:53 GMT
lmao Okay. Sure. Whatever. Yah, did'ja also know that the moon is made out of cheese?
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Post by Qui-Gon GlenN7 on Apr 17, 2019 1:09:34 GMT
Dude. Try streaming something over your own LAN and tell me if you do not experience any problems. "That could work..." Shyeah, in what fucking universe? He's speaking like he knows something about how video streams take x amount of bandwidth. He doesn't. I have been pretty underwhelmed by Nvidia streaming to my Shield. On Portal 2. The streaming concept is another uber-liberal dream that gives us freedom by taking everything away from the individual. Whoever cannot see this obvious contradiction is needing a brain transplant.
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Post by Arijon van Goyen on Apr 17, 2019 10:00:36 GMT
Still not quite sure what kind of streaming yousa people are talking about. Streaming a SP game on 720p ain't that hard. I think even I can at least do 480p streams. But when it comes to 1080p and higher and massive multiplayer games with players from different parts of your continent, it becomes very complex and difficult.
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Post by Pounce de León on Apr 17, 2019 10:12:58 GMT
So I heard you guys already complain about lag in MP shooters. But streaming is gonna fix that for sure, right? There is no need to do research, others have done so already and concluded that it doesn't deliver on the popular shooters.
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Post by Pounce de León on Apr 17, 2019 10:18:16 GMT
Here for the lazy buggers you are:
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Post by PapaCharlie9 on Apr 17, 2019 21:10:43 GMT
The streaming concept is another uber-liberal dream that gives us freedom by taking everything away from the individual. How about we talk about some actual legit use cases, rather than straw men that are easily dismissed as dreams? 1. I can play a console exclusive for a console I don’t or can’t own. There’s some old game I’m jonesing for, really want to play. But I’m not going to buy a PS3 or an Android phone just to play that game. I am willing to pay for a month of PS Now or Stadia, though, as well as put up with lag and 30fps gaming, because what other option do I have? 2. I can continue a game across multiple devices, while on the move. I’m in the middle of Whiskered Fornicator 3, one of the juicy bits, but I have a week long business trip with a ton of down time to Chicago and I’m in LA. If I bought the game as a download to run on my desktop gaming rig, my choices are lug that whole setup cross country to continue playing, or do without. If instead I had streamed it from the get go, I can continue playing on a cheap laptop or tablet, as long as the Holiday Inn Express Wi-Fi is any good. Even better, if buying the download also gave me access to the streamed version for free, no compromises when I’m in LA. 3. I can get off the console/pc upgrade treadmill. Sure the subscription fee is going to add up, but net net is it really more than the hardware depreciation effect for everyone? Even if you lop off the top 30%, who won’t accept the streaming compromises, and the bottom 30%, who can’t afford the subscription and only get new hardware once every 10 years, if that, there’s still the middle 40% a streaming sub could make sense for. All of this presupposes decent internet bandwidth, of course. Rural folks are screwed in the usual ways.
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Post by alanc9 on Apr 17, 2019 21:44:22 GMT
Dude. Try streaming something over your own LAN and tell me if you do not experience any problems. "That could work..." Shyeah, in what fucking universe? He's speaking like he knows something about how video streams take x amount of bandwidth. He doesn't. I have been pretty underwhelmed by Nvidia streaming to my Shield. On Portal 2. The streaming concept is another uber-liberal dream that gives us freedom by taking everything away from the individual. Whoever cannot see this obvious contradiction is needing a brain transplant. Jeez, dude... I know you miss the politics thread, but that's awfully forced. For the record, I'm not so much pro-streaming as entirely indifferent to it. (Not a fan of forced subscriptions in the abstract, but we could get those without streaming, or get streaming without subsctription.) But whether streaming everything is a good thing is conceptually different from whether it's a workable thing. Which one of those are we taking about?
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Post by SirSourpuss on Apr 18, 2019 12:13:53 GMT
I’m in the middle of Whiskered Fornicator 3 Pssh, pleb. The series peaked with 2. Everyone knows Whiskered Fornicator jumped the shark with 3 and pandered to casuals. I can continue playing on a cheap laptop or tablet, as long as the Holiday Inn Express Wi-Fi is any good Unless it is a TBS or a VN, you're gonna have a hard time. Latency is still an issue and in action games, especially ones where timing is imperative, it's going to be noticeable, if not frustrating. I do believe that something great is going to happen with streaming games as a service, I just don't think we're there yet.
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